Discussion 2024 Round 9: Teams & In Game Discussion

[Chumpion]

Question

How is metres gained defined?

Eg - a 40metre kick from back pocket to back pocket - directly straight - is it zero metres gained? (As in no closer to goal) or is it 40 metres gained

I believe (and happy to be called out as wrong) that it is measured as the crow flies between the goals, not how far the ball travels. So a 50 kick directly across in a straight line doesn’t apply 50m gained, but a 50m kick on a slight angle into the corridor might get a small amount of meters gained.
So anything going straight down the corridor is getting maximum meters gained and then it slides downs from there as the angles work in.

 

[Connoisseur]

Question

How is metres gained defined?

Eg - a 40metre kick from back pocket to back pocket - directly straight - is it zero metres gained? (As in no closer to goal) or is it 40 metres gained

https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/
Metres Gained: Net metres gained with the ball by a player, by running, kicking or handballing, combining measures towards attacking goal and away from defensive goal.

 

[MagpiePotato]

Ryan score an absolute blight on the premise of SC. Did nothing all game, gets junk when no one cares, and scores 110.
Jackson has to be close to the worst Ruck in the league. Yes he is good when the ball hits the ground, but have you ever seen someone miss time their jump as much as he does. It's almost laughable.

Yeah, and he got the junk cos the game was over and Sydney no longer cared if they chipped it backwards and sideways to him, when they should have been going forwards to try and overcome their deficit. Sydney also kicked 7 points in the last qtr so he got a heap of cheap kick-ins as well, after they only kicked 2 points for the entire first 3 qtrs.

 

[Chumpion]

https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/
Metres Gained: Net metres gained with the ball by a player, by running, kicking or handballing, combining measures towards attacking goal and away from defensive goal.

I’ve not see this before but it’s very interesting! Should almost be mandatory reading for anyone wanting to comment on scores 😂

 

[MagpiePotato]

Ryan had 321 metres gained in that last quarter. Next best on the ground was 180. No 10-metre kicks. All 13 disposals were effective.

He had 5 kick-ins in the last qtr, there's 250m of his 321m gained just from kick-ins.

 

[Bomber18]

If you can’t beat them, join them #TradedRyanIn

 

[Chumpion]

Ryan score an absolute blight on the premise of SC. Did nothing all game, gets junk when no one cares, and scores 110.
Jackson has to be close to the worst Ruck in the league. Yes he is good when the ball hits the ground, but have you ever seen someone miss time their jump as much as he does. It's almost laughable.

How is it a blight? He had a big last quarter and it’s not his fault Sydney eased off or kicked more points. Wouldn’t it be more of a blight if players who were quiet in the first half were resigned to a terrible score regardless of what they do from there?? The points have to go somewhere and they can’t just stop scoring players in the last quarter of a game that’s over. Yes they may slightly down weight the value vs earlier in the game, but players are still doing things and earning by points.

 

[toxic]

https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/
Metres Gained: Net metres gained with the ball by a player, by running, kicking or handballing, combining measures towards attacking goal and away from defensive goal.

So correct me if I'm wrong, a players runs 15 metres, (let's say straight from the goal square) then kicks 30 metres directly sideways to a teammate who marks it (90 degree angle) he is credited with 15 metres gained, how is his kick scored?

 

[Chumpion]

I genuinely don’t understand why people do SC and then complain about the scoring mechanism that defines SC. If you don’t like it stick to other formats but it’s not like they changed things on you part way through the season - it is what it is!

 

[MagpiePotato]

I genuinely don’t understand why people do SC and then complain about the scoring mechanism that defines SC. If you don’t like it stick to other formats but it’s not like they changed things on you part way through the season - it is what it is!

I have no problem with the scoring mechanism, i do have a problem with the inconsistency. I.e Gawn gets HOTA for hitting it to grass and a teammate running 5 meters to gather it, Marshall does the same thing, never a HOTA. And i am watching this VERY closely. Happens a lot with what they consider a contested mark etc as well, some players get preferrential treatment.

 

[dicksilverman]

7/753. Young and Stewart in def, JHF raising the bat, Seronf, Walsh and Heeney going well and Jackson meh. Real mixed bag of chips.

 

[Connoisseur]

3/317
Played: M Gawn (VC), C Oliver (new recruit) and S Walsh
Yet to play:
Friday: T Stewart, Z Butters, L Jackson (new recruit), N Fyfe, H Young , B Grundy and I Heeney
Saturday: J Steele, D Wilson, N Martin, T Green, M Bontempelli (C), S Darcy, H Sheezel, S Clohesy and T Miller
Sunday: N Daicos, H Reid and I Rankine

Was all set to go Dunkley and a week early on J Hayes whilst waiting a week on Oliver. Then after Graham was omitted (as I was intending to play him onfield) decided to go a week early on Oliver and then noticed I could afford L Jackson and for some reason included him after giving little consideration so far. Maybe I should have focused on my NRL SC trades instead.

Solid start and can hopefully build on it during the double header tonight with seven players involved.

10/982
Played: M Gawn (VC), C Oliver (new recruit), S Walsh, T Stewart, Z Butters, L Jackson (new recruit), N Fyfe, H Young , B Grundy and I Heeney
Yet to play:
Saturday: J Steele, D Wilson, N Martin, T Green, M Bontempelli (C), S Darcy, H Sheezel, S Clohesy and T Miller
Sunday: N Daicos, H Reid and I Rankine

Butters and Heeney great but disappointing from the Dockers trio. May have to take my money and run with Fyfe and finally grab Flanders but this will likely be at the expense of selecting Hayes next round. No instant gratification with the scores from the late change of Oliver and Jackson and will be interesting both over this and coming rounds to see the gap between them and Dunkley and Hayes and in whose favour.

 

[Chumpion]

I have no problem with the scoring mechanism, i do have a problem with the inconsistency. I.e Gawn gets HOTA for hitting it to grass and a teammate running 5 meters to gather it, Marshall does the same thing, never a HOTA. And i am watching this VERY closely. Happens a lot with what they consider a contested mark etc as well, some players get preferrential treatment.

Like a said.. don’t get why people do SC and then complain the things that define it. Inconsistency and judgement calls are a hall mark of an impact based system. Just do AFL fantasy if you want something black and white. SC is grey.. embrace it or don’t but they aren’t making you do it.
FWIW I don’t think a person would risk their job deliberately making errors because the like certain players. It’s more likely there are things influencing those decisions you aren’t aware of.

For example, here is the definition of a HTA as per champion data:


Hitout-To-Advantage: A hitout that reaches an intended teammate

So Gawn hitting to grass to a running Petracca could be very different to Marshall hitting to space and hoping a player gets to it. The people at CD would be pretty skilled at identifying if it looked like an intended play or a fortuitous outcome from the HO. There would be thousands of these nuances and we will never know them all.. so either accept it is the game or don’t play it!

 

[Connoisseur]

Should almost be mandatory reading for anyone wanting to comment on scores 😂

Would save me from trying to help and end up banging my head into a wall for years on end. If they cannot comprehend what indicative or raw means, there is no hope to comprehend that.

 

[quite ironic]

Question

How is metres gained defined?

Eg - a 40metre kick from back pocket to back pocket - directly straight - is it zero metres gained? (As in no closer to goal) or is it 40 metres gained

Directly sideways 40m = 0m gained.
Backwards chip 20m = -20m gained.
Forward kick anywhere increase closeness to your goals = positive m gained.

 

[Chumpion]

Would save me from trying to help and end up banging my head into a wall for years on end. If they cannot comprehend what indicative or raw means, there is no hope to comprehend that.

I feel you.. You and the LG do an awesome job with what you share the extra stuff you post, but it must feel repetitive sometimes!

 

[Connoisseur]

I genuinely don’t understand why people do SC and then complain about the scoring mechanism that defines SC. If you don’t like it stick to other formats but it’s not like they changed things on you part way through the season - it is what it is!

But how else can fun be derived from Supercoach?

 

[Chumpion]

But how else can fun be derived from Supercoach?

Call me old fashioned but I much prefer my fun to come from obsessively weighing up a million trade possibilities only to pick the worst option just about every time..

 

[Santoz]

I genuinely don’t understand why people do SC and then complain about the scoring mechanism that defines SC. If you don’t like it stick to other formats but it’s not like they changed things on you part way through the season - it is what it is!

Well I'm not going to blame myself for picking the wrong players now am I.

 

[Zoku Pops]

Re the Ryan conversation. If he had done what he did in the last quarter in the first quarter of a game it's a 70 point quarter easily so his influence that quarter was negatively scaled.

I find it more interesting to look at what a player like Ryan did without the free kick out stat, which we got to witness during the first half where, with 0 kickouts, he was only on 30.

As I've said in previous round threads, this is the stat that SC / CD should look at (my solution was given kick outs are recorded as a separate stat, make the points scored from this stat 50% less). I love the scoring system and find any accusations of biased scoring humourous, but it also doesn't sit well with me that Ryan is the highest averaging player after round 8. Anyway, just food for thought!