Discussion 2024 Round 12: Teams & In Game Discussion

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wolfbunny said:
Very helpful thanks mateđź‘Ť
Second last tackle shown is exactly as the tackle on Walsh.
So, just drop the ball make attempt to kick the ball, whether you do or not doesn’t matter, it’ll be play on!
Only if both arms are pinned would it be a ball up.
I don’t see enough of that sort of content to keep up with the changing face of the game!
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Yep that’s it. I had to read it twice cause it seems bonkers to me that you don’t need to dispose of it properly.. but makes sense if they want to minimize ball ups as much as possible!
 
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wolfbunny said:
Very helpful thanks mateđź‘Ť
Second last tackle shown is exactly as the tackle on Walsh.
So, just drop the ball make attempt to kick the ball, whether you do or not doesn’t matter, it’ll be play on!
Only if both arms are pinned would it be a ball up.
I don’t see enough of that sort of content to keep up with the changing face of the game!
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I hadn't caught up on that either, but that feels like the rule when I last actually played the game. "Made an attempt, play on" was a very regular umpiring call.
 
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Chumpion said:
Yep that’s it. I had to read it twice cause it seems bonkers to me that you don’t need to dispose of it properly.. but makes sense if they want to minimize ball ups as much as possible!
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Only bonkers in recent interpretations I reckon. Prior to 1998 there was no such thing as "prior opportunity", the rule was interpreted as if you get tackled you have to make an attempt to dispose of the ball. No attempt and you'll be penalised "holding the ball". Make an attempt and it's play on. If the tackler has done enough your disposal will be affected and the ball will be in dispute. Great. Play continues. This rule favoured the ball player, and the player who was trying to make things happen. Between 98 and in the lead up to the Swans 05 flag there was a massive shift in the way the media talked about tackling. "Reward the tackler!" they shouted. The cynical side of me thought this was a deliberate attempt to appeal to the northern audiences, but maybe I was bitter and twisted Still, the focus on tackling, and the way the game now helped the player who waited off the contest to tackle his opponent, rather than leaning towards favouring the player who got in there and made the play was a clear shift in interpretation from the 20 years prior. (I won't comment on the time before that, because as much as I can watch video, I didn't see it).

Is the new interpretation "right"? Will it even be interpreted as they suggest? Who knows.
 
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Only bonkers in recent interpretations I reckon. Prior to 1998 there was no such thing as "prior opportunity", the rule was interpreted as if you get tackled you have to make an attempt to dispose of the ball. No attempt and you'll be penalised "holding the ball". Make an attempt and it's play on. If the tackler has done enough your disposal will be affected and the ball will be in dispute. Great. Play continues. This rule favoured the ball player, and the player who was trying to make things happen. Between 98 and in the lead up to the Swans 05 flag there was a massive shift in the way the media talked about tackling. "Reward the tackler!" they shouted. The cynical side of me thought this was a deliberate attempt to appeal to the northern audiences, but maybe I was bitter and twisted Still, the focus on tackling, and the way the game now helped the player who waited off the contest to tackle his opponent, rather than leaning towards favouring the player who got in there and made the play was a clear shift in interpretation from the 20 years prior. (I won't comment on the time before that, because as much as I can watch video, I didn't see it).

Is the new interpretation "right"? Will it even be interpreted as they suggest? Who knows.
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That's a really interesting take that I hadn't even thought of, but you're right I was probably viewing it under the lens of incorrect disposal. I actually like this new position in the sense that it should help the game keep moving one way or another, either because players make an attempt to dispose or a free kick is paid. I definitely noticed a shift in how quickly players looked to dispose the ball and for the most part I thought when a player was tackled the game flowed where it should. 1 game sample size isn't much but hopefully it's consistent across the round!
 
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3/289 Houston, Butters and Drew

Was very tempted to have a go with the VC on Butters playing at home with Rozee out but thankfully kept my powder dry.

Drew has been a 50/50 pick, brought him in for round 4 for $518k with a high -BE having come off 2 large scores. He's since delivered an 85 average and just the 3 tonnes over 9 games whilst dropping to $450k. Probably should have moved him on earlier but stuck with him and upgraded rookies instead. He'll go come lockout and provide the funds for the Sweet upgrade.
 
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frosty1 said:
I hadn't caught up on that either, but that feels like the rule when I last actually played the game. "Made an attempt, play on" was a very regular umpiring call.
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The funniest one was when they introduced the extra metreage for the kick ins, my last year or 2 of vets. I'm standing as a defender in the widest pocket/flank ever, as the crow fly's, 40 or 50 metres away from the goal square. Then all of a sudden the umpire starts gesturing to me, to more further out, any further and I would've been on the interchange bench! My eye's and ears, not so good, I'm wondering what he is on about! Next minute he's awarded a 50 metre penalty against me for being too close to the kick in player! I mean he is standing just behind the man on the mark, who is far closer to the goal square than me! Still don't know what that free against was all about!

And as to your recollection, it was the same for us, but that was because we had 1 umpire if we were lucky, sometimes 2, but both would play like a true centreman, never leaving the centre square, so they'd just call "play on" for anything on the flanks and pockets, cause it was too far to run to, for a ball up and way too far to see if there was a free kick to be paid! lol
 
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wow

just saw the Pendles news :cry:

Including Ginnivan & Murphy thats now 9 missing from the premiership side

absence brings opportunity

Time to stand up Bytel , Dean , Harrison , Johnson , Macrae , Parker , Sullivan and show you belong at this level.

Trust the process and the structure/system

Looks like only Checkers , Titch (?) & WHE possibly return before the Bye.

I know people love taking about Collingwood's fixture , but what is the reason we have to travel to play a home ground at Marvel ? , bewildering , even more so given the opposition's home ground is Marvel :unsure:

The team for the people should be at the G each and every round

Floreat Pica

EDIT West Coast game @ Marvel as well , did I miss the news that the G is no longer our home ground :)

ok it is part of a contract to play 2 Home Games @ Marvel each season
 
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