Discussion BBL|14: Preseason Discussion | OPEN!

[Chumpion]

Interesting discussions re: Short. I’m inclined to fade him as I think you can spread the cash around to make a better squad and I’m not sure you’re getting $300k Matt Short. An elite opening batsman who gets fielding points is a big risk at that price, goes for a low score in one game and you could be losing a bit of cash. If he goes off you just need the cheap guys who are onfield to facilitate him to go low to o***et his score.

One thing though is even if you are 99% sure you want to fade in R1 and R2, you need to have a contingency plan to get him in R2 if the role is still juicy. If he bowls 4 and bats well, you don’t want to break your R2 and R3 teams just to find a way to get him.

 

[Gumwah]

Interesting discussions re: Short. I’m inclined to fade him as I think you can spread the cash around to make a better squad and I’m not sure you’re getting $300k Matt Short. An elite opening batsman who gets fielding points is a big risk at that price, goes for a low score in one game and you could be losing a bit of cash. If he goes off you just need the cheap guys who are onfield to facilitate him to go low to o***et his score.

One thing though is even if you are 99% sure you want to fade in R1 and R2, you need to have a contingency plan to get him in R2 if the role is still juicy. If he bowls 4 and bats well, you don’t want to break your R2 and R3 teams just to find a way to get him.

I've got a team at the moment where I have chosen the players I want including Webster who might go out for a cheaper player if he is not available without considering their price and have $197,000 in the bank. If Short after round 1 is a must have for round 2 then out goes a player like Seifert and in comes Short.

 

[Diabolical]

Great responses, and has definitely got me thinking whether I had under thought the idea of fading even if maxi is unavailable.

Playing around with a few iterations I can see it resulting in more score involvements simply due to deeper squad and not needing to trade out stars round 2 to get your ideal scorchers and strikers.

However, the last 2 games last year strikers ran Manenti, Pope and Boyce, and Matt short still bowled 2 and 4 overs respectively. Whilst Allen is an upgrade on Manenti, I wouldn’t be surprised if Short does get enough to be eligible for economy bonus.

He average just over 20 points per game from bowling last year, so he needs to bat as well as last year to break even. Even those two finals you mentioned, it looks like he would have scored 1 point and 34 points from his bowling, so keeping around his 20 points average.

 

[Brendan12]

He average just over 20 points per game from bowling last year, so he needs to bat as well as last year to break even. Even those two finals you mentioned, it looks like he would have scored 1 point and 34 points from his bowling, so keeping around his 20 points average.

If you’re not going Short, and with no real appealing expensive Stars/Gades (Assume no Maxi/Webster) would assume you’re going expensive Perth guys in prep for round 2 and Overton?

 

[Gumwah]

If you’re not going Short, and with no real appealing expensive Stars/Gades (Assume no Maxi/Webster) would assume you’re going expensive Perth guys in prep for round 2 and Overton?

The set up is great for a Scorcher on the bench as a wicketkeeper, bowler and batsman. If one or more go off then loop them on, if they don't they are there for round 2.

I have Overton in my team however there is not much risk that he would go up significantly after round 1 so you could afford to leave him to buy in round 2.

 

[The Myth]

He average just over 20 points per game from bowling last year, so he needs to bat as well as last year to break even. Even those two finals you mentioned, it looks like he would have scored 1 point and 34 points from his bowling, so keeping around his 20 points average.

Yeah to meet that price tag he’s gotta perform very well. The reason I bring up those matches is just to showcase he could still bowl plenty of overs despite there being 3 spinners in the side. The role could still be there.

I think it’s very unlikely that he presents any value this year, and likely averages less. But he can not average as much but still cause a lot of damage to non-owners.

 

[Gumwah]

Yeah to meet that price tag he’s gotta perform very well. The reason I bring up those matches is just to showcase he could still bowl plenty of overs despite there being 3 spinners in the side. The role could still be there.

I think it’s very unlikely that he presents any value this year, and likely averages less. But he can not average as much but still cause a lot of damage to non-owners.

How likely is it that at the end of the season Short will have averaged 3 times more points than O'Neill, Zampa and Thornton who are all a third of his price? Or twice as many points as Curran?

Why is it that there is a debate about whether Short should be bought or faded and no such debate for Curran and Zampa? Short at the price and the resulting reduction of the overall strength of a team is debatable. Anyone with any sense will have Curran and Zampa in their team (which is less than 50% at present.)

 

[Shaunpro1]

Yeah to meet that price tag he’s gotta perform very well. The reason I bring up those matches is just to showcase he could still bowl plenty of overs despite there being 3 spinners in the side. The role could still be there.

I think it’s very unlikely that he presents any value this year, and likely averages less. But he can not average as much but still cause a lot of damage to non-owners.

Id argue Allen is a far better bowler than Manenti though and can bowl in all aspects of the innings, think theres plenty of games ahead where its 12 overs out of Boyce,Pope and Allen to be honest.

 

[Gumwah]

Id argue Allen is a far better bowler than Manenti though and can bowl in all aspects of the innings, think theres plenty of games ahead where its 12 overs out of Boyce,Pope and Allen to be honest.

Allen is quite attractive except that his recent form is poor, best to assess him in round 1 before buying in round 2, a big risk otherwise methinks.

 

[Chumpion]

Currently have 9 DGR players from round 1, where is everyone else sitting?

Also curious who the SGR players people are fielding/looping?

 

[Herbie66]

Paarl Royals reporting Bethell has pulled out of SA 20

 

[Herbie66]

Great responses, and has definitely got me thinking whether I had under thought the idea of fading even if maxi is unavailable.

Playing around with a few iterations I can see it resulting in more score involvements simply due to deeper squad and not needing to trade out stars round 2 to get your ideal scorchers and strikers.

However, the last 2 games last year strikers ran Manenti, Pope and Boyce, and Matt short still bowled 2 and 4 overs respectively. Whilst Allen is an upgrade on Manenti, I wouldn’t be surprised if Short does get enough to be eligible for economy bonus.

Don't forget Hose and Overton had left by them , Lynn was injured.

Manenti only bowled 1 over.

May very well had run out of playing options.

 

[Herbie66]

Currently have 9 DGR players from round 1, where is everyone else sitting?

Also curious who the SGR players people are fielding/looping?

If selections fall the way I am hoping :-

4 x MR Zampa locked
3 x MS Curran , McKenzie , Stoinis

3 x PS
2 x SS

 

[Post Nut Clarity]

I feel like my teams really starting to come together now. This is assuming Maxwell, Webster & Inglis are unavailable round one which is looking more and more likely…

As a renegades fan, it hurts not having Sutherland in my team but I just can’t see him getting many overs early on this season and it’s not viable having him in the team as the 5th or 6th in line to bat!

I’m warming to starting Seifert and using him to loophole Harper (if named) & Hardie (who I think could score well, regardless of if his bowling or not) and then trading him to Inglis next round.

Hopefully the 26K I have in the bank will allow me to bring in Allen of the Fabien variety & Richardson next round, replacing the two worst performing renegades for them.

Let me know your thoughts!

 

[Herbie66]

Interesting re M Short

I thought the original question was referring to start him Round 1 or wait until Round 2 to bring him in.

Seems a few are not going to have him at all 😱 , who would be your VC/C options then in Round 2 ?

Overton I am guessing from the Strikers - > Behrendorff/Hardie/Morris/Richardson/Tye

Both away games for the Scorchers on Dec 21 & 23 , surely they won't be "managing" any of their quicks by then.

 

[7/11]

How likely is it that at the end of the season Short will have averaged 3 times more points than O'Neill, Zampa and Thornton who are all a third of his price? Or twice as many points as Curran?

Why is it that there is a debate about whether Short should be bought or faded and no such debate for Curran and Zampa? Short at the price and the resulting reduction of the overall strength of a team is debatable. Anyone with any sense will have Curran and Zampa in their team (which is less than 50% at present.)

Zampa is a tough one for me. I’ve backed him the last couple of seasons and he’s been simply awful. I don’t want to say never again, but he’s made it extremely hard to trust him.

 

[Herbie66]

lol - or just an old has been who is struggling to move with the modern way!

Or are you just playing mind games with us all 🤗

 

[Herbie66]

Planning to trade out M Short in Round 3 + 3 x PS then bring him back in Round 4 with at least 2 x MR

Not going to be easy to afford a combo of Bartlett , Duckett , Hosein , Maxwell (if playing and bowling) , Neser (if fit) , Walter , Webster (if available) etc

 

[Shaunpro1]

Currently have 9 DGR players from round 1, where is everyone else sitting?

Also curious who the SGR players people are fielding/looping?

Have rotated between 7 and as many as 9, quite like the look of structures that bank Scorchers and can fit a guy like Jack Edwards in for Round 3 who has been flying of late.

Also mindful of how poor stacking Gades and Stars went last year.

 

[mike89]

How likely is it that at the end of the season Short will have averaged 3 times more points than O'Neill, Zampa and Thornton who are all a third of his price? Or twice as many points as Curran?

Thing is, because he's a captaincy option, he doesn't have to. Between two Strikers doubles and three SGRs there are five rounds he could potentially be a captain.

Not saying this is gonna happen every time, but this is what happened to people that tried to fade Short last year...

Round 2
Short: 270
Next best: Overton 195, D Short 93

Round 6
Short: 264
Next best: Lynn 132, Thornton 101

That would be giving up over a thousand points (with a maximum of 327 coming back through alternative captain selections). Can you find potentially 700 points with the extra cash? I mean, maybe - and of course maybe you won't need to. I can't see how Short's role gets appreciably worse given what @The Myth posted above regarding him giving himself multiple overs even with three other spinners, so then it just comes down to form. I think I'm leaning this way.