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I could. But I think having Sutherland could end badly - if he's not bowling, and batting low, looking at his scores from last year he had multiple games under 30 and just two huge games that bring up his average, which of course included him bowling. So when you take away his bowling, and compound that with Khan above him now I fear he might become redundant fantasy wise?
I've been leaning towards Brown ahead of JFM all preseason honestly. Won't take much for JFM to get a score but he's struggled recently and I think teams will be hot on trying to stop him. Brown could go a little under the radar in comparison. The Marvel factor isn't in play either as they don't play there round 1 (although Geelong is arguably worse!)
As for Sutherland, I just don't know... I'm basically hoping Curran VC comes off because if he doesn't I view Sutherland as the obvious captain. If I already have a captain score, I'd be more inclined to take him on.
As for Sutherland, I just don't know... I'm basically hoping Curran VC comes off because if he doesn't I view Sutherland as the obvious captain. If I already have a captain score, I'd be more inclined to take him on.
Few Scorchers notes.
Cooper Connolly Coming in at first drop, Connolly batted on the centre wicket for more than an hour, turning a sketchy start into a brisk display of power.
He hit multiple large sixes over the leg side, reminiscent of his final-winning knock in BBL12, against the quicks and climbed into spinner Matthew Spoors and Corey Rocchiccioli, who was called in to help at training.
After the impressive display with the willow, he Connolly pushed his case further, bowling without pain in a few tidy overs.
Scorchers fans would also have been excited to see imports Finn Allen and Keaton Jennings combining at the top of the order for a few fireworks.
Allen, a New Zealander, smoked his second ball for six over long-on against Jason Behrendorff and showed off his creativity with ramps against Jhye Richardson, who was on fire himself with multiple wickets.
Finn Allen smashed long bombs.
He went even bigger in his second dig as the biting sun set, crashing a ball well onto the roof of the player’s pavilion.
Richardson made Jenning’s first knock a brief one, getting him caught at square leg with a short ball.
Matt Kelly also looked to firm his chances of playing on Sunday, used as a first-change bowler behind Behrendorff and Richardson.
Lance Morris didn’t bowl but isn’t carrying injury concerns.
Nick Hobson blew out some cobwebs before Andrew Tye showed he still has it to knock back Turner’s off stump.
Big Bash League: Cooper Connolly firming to play Perth Scorcher’s opener after hand fracture | The West Australian
Cooper Connolly Coming in at first drop, Connolly batted on the centre wicket for more than an hour, turning a sketchy start into a brisk display of power.
He hit multiple large sixes over the leg side, reminiscent of his final-winning knock in BBL12, against the quicks and climbed into spinner Matthew Spoors and Corey Rocchiccioli, who was called in to help at training.
After the impressive display with the willow, he Connolly pushed his case further, bowling without pain in a few tidy overs.
Scorchers fans would also have been excited to see imports Finn Allen and Keaton Jennings combining at the top of the order for a few fireworks.
Allen, a New Zealander, smoked his second ball for six over long-on against Jason Behrendorff and showed off his creativity with ramps against Jhye Richardson, who was on fire himself with multiple wickets.
Finn Allen smashed long bombs.
He went even bigger in his second dig as the biting sun set, crashing a ball well onto the roof of the player’s pavilion.
Richardson made Jenning’s first knock a brief one, getting him caught at square leg with a short ball.
Matt Kelly also looked to firm his chances of playing on Sunday, used as a first-change bowler behind Behrendorff and Richardson.
Lance Morris didn’t bowl but isn’t carrying injury concerns.
Nick Hobson blew out some cobwebs before Andrew Tye showed he still has it to knock back Turner’s off stump.
Big Bash League: Cooper Connolly firming to play Perth Scorcher’s opener after hand fracture | The West Australian
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I think it’s a valid concern, but there may be a few o***ets:
- Both are quite cheap for proper all rounders (if that’s what they prove to be) - arguably there ks some buffer there
- Sutherland is working his way back to fitness after injury, so him bowling at all is arguably positive, rather than not bowling his full complement being a negative necessarily.
- From memory Sutherland floated in the order last season, sliding up and down based on circumstance. I would say he clearly came in too late on some occasions, but they have a new coach and a new captain (Sutherland himself), so I would expect them to be more rational going forward. At a minimum I’m not inclined to read the batting order in one Renegades game as being the plan for each game going forward.
- It was a practice game. I could see a scenario where getting overs and time in the middle into a player who (I assume) hasn’t played much, if at all, in Australia, would be a priority over giving game time to your recovering skipper.
I probably need to think further about today’s game, but went Sutherland to Khan a few days back, and am now thinking I should find a spot for Sutherland as well.
- Both are quite cheap for proper all rounders (if that’s what they prove to be) - arguably there ks some buffer there
- Sutherland is working his way back to fitness after injury, so him bowling at all is arguably positive, rather than not bowling his full complement being a negative necessarily.
- From memory Sutherland floated in the order last season, sliding up and down based on circumstance. I would say he clearly came in too late on some occasions, but they have a new coach and a new captain (Sutherland himself), so I would expect them to be more rational going forward. At a minimum I’m not inclined to read the batting order in one Renegades game as being the plan for each game going forward.
- It was a practice game. I could see a scenario where getting overs and time in the middle into a player who (I assume) hasn’t played much, if at all, in Australia, would be a priority over giving game time to your recovering skipper.
I probably need to think further about today’s game, but went Sutherland to Khan a few days back, and am now thinking I should find a spot for Sutherland as well.
I think changing your mind on a 50-50 pick based on new information is fine - arguably it almost doesn’t matter, if it was a genuine 50-50 before the new information arrived (ie it didn’t matter either way before the info, so it can only improve with greater info).
If you were dropping an established player you had really liked based on a single low score, despite them maintaining a good role, I think that would be quite different.
If you could explain your previous thinking, and why it has changed, to another person and it would seem reasonable to them, I think that’s usually a good guide/check that it’s a reasonable change to make.
If you were dropping an established player you had really liked based on a single low score, despite them maintaining a good role, I think that would be quite different.
If you could explain your previous thinking, and why it has changed, to another person and it would seem reasonable to them, I think that’s usually a good guide/check that it’s a reasonable change to make.
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Just stumbled on a South v North grade t20 played today at the WACA which included quite a few relevant players as well as a couple that have played a bit of first class recently and may end up as local replacement players.
North 8-136
Jayden Goodwin 28 (26), batted 3
Keaton Critchell 2 (6), 1/2 from 1, batted 5
Matthew Spoors 29 (16) & 0/22 from 2.1, batted 7
Corey Rocchiccioli 9 (15) & 0/28 from 3, batted 8
South 1-137
Sam Fanning 63 (41), opened
Joel Curtis DNB
Baxter Holt DNB
Teague Wyllie DNB
Bryce Jackson 2/21 from 4, DNB
Mahli Beardman 1/35 from 3, DNB
I watched most of the game if anyone's got any questions, North was made up of all the clubs North of the Swan River and same for South.
North 8-136
Jayden Goodwin 28 (26), batted 3
Keaton Critchell 2 (6), 1/2 from 1, batted 5
Matthew Spoors 29 (16) & 0/22 from 2.1, batted 7
Corey Rocchiccioli 9 (15) & 0/28 from 3, batted 8
South 1-137
Sam Fanning 63 (41), opened
Joel Curtis DNB
Baxter Holt DNB
Teague Wyllie DNB
Bryce Jackson 2/21 from 4, DNB
Mahli Beardman 1/35 from 3, DNB
I watched most of the game if anyone's got any questions, North was made up of all the clubs North of the Swan River and same for South.
I’d say it pretty much comes down to expected role for Sutherland. In order, I would say the preferred roles are:
All rounder
Bowler bowling death
Other bowlers
Top order bats / wicket keepers
Middle / lower order bats
So Brown is in the fourth, or second worst, category. Sutherland is either in the first or the last (ie worst). Given he bowled today, I think it’s more likely the first than the worst, and in any case I think the risk is probably skewed in his favour.
With that said, the Renegades have two early doubles, so erring on including all of the Gades you like the look of is not a bad approach. You just want to make sure you don’t end up with a donut on their bye (eg by having too many on one line), and that they’re at price points that allow you the players you want when you trade them out (eg you can’t get Matt Short if you’re only trading out Steketee/Paris types).
It was just a practice match, but it seems the Stars were disappointing. I wouldn’t panic about that, but if you like Brown and want Sutherland, maybe there is a Star who can make way.
All rounder
Bowler bowling death
Other bowlers
Top order bats / wicket keepers
Middle / lower order bats
So Brown is in the fourth, or second worst, category. Sutherland is either in the first or the last (ie worst). Given he bowled today, I think it’s more likely the first than the worst, and in any case I think the risk is probably skewed in his favour.
With that said, the Renegades have two early doubles, so erring on including all of the Gades you like the look of is not a bad approach. You just want to make sure you don’t end up with a donut on their bye (eg by having too many on one line), and that they’re at price points that allow you the players you want when you trade them out (eg you can’t get Matt Short if you’re only trading out Steketee/Paris types).
It was just a practice match, but it seems the Stars were disappointing. I wouldn’t panic about that, but if you like Brown and want Sutherland, maybe there is a Star who can make way.
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