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Have a draft coming up in a few days and I’m a bit torn with who to take at pick 5. It’s a 5/7/1/5 plus 4 bench draft with 10 teams.
I’m assuming Bont, Daicos and English go top 3 in some order. Weighing up if I go a ruck (Gawn, Marshall) or a mid.. where I’m stuck is what mid, as I can see potential risk with a few.
Petracca - scores worse with Oliver?
Adel boys - seems to be a few who will play mid, too many cooks?
Butters - ankle tweak in preseason game

Others I’m weighing up are Merrett, Green, Libba, LDU, Serong..

There are so many and it’s a hard call.. ideally this pick is a genuine C option so need safety
Perhaps it’s a question of who you think you end up with overall, once the good rucks are gone?

My sense would be that the gap from Gawn/Marshall to the other rucks is bigger than the gap from, say, Laird to Steele.

I think that would generally be true with positional scarcity, but it sounds like it may be even more so if you don’t see a standout mid option.
 
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Perhaps it’s a question of who you think you end up with overall, once the good rucks are gone?

My sense would be that the gap from Gawn/Marshall to the other rucks is bigger than the gap from, say, Laird to Steele.

I think that would generally be true with positional scarcity, but it sounds like it may be even more so if you don’t see a standout mid option.
Turns out there was a late reorder and I was bumped to 7.. Gawn was still there so took him as the other likely mids were gone!
 
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Does anyone know if the draft order is customizable? I'd like to have it replicating last year's ladder in our draft league but I'm not sure if it's possible?
 
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Did anyone else get destroyed by DPP additions screwing loopholes this weekend? I strategically had Zac Bailey up fwd with the E on Weightman 99 (fwd) and Sanders 15 (mid) all weekend Weightman was rightfully showing as my scoring player only for Sanders DPP to show up maybe 20 minutes after the conclusion of final game, he ended up subbing into fwd position as the lowest of the 2 scorers. Ended up losing because of this which seems totally cooked.
 
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Did anyone else get destroyed by DPP additions screwing loopholes this weekend? I strategically had Zac Bailey up fwd with the E on Weightman 99 (fwd) and Sanders 15 (mid) all weekend Weightman was rightfully showing as my scoring player only for Sanders DPP to show up maybe 20 minutes after the conclusion of final game, he ended up subbing into fwd position as the lowest of the 2 scorers. Ended up losing because of this which seems totally cooked.
I don’t think emergencies work like that in Draft. Nothing to do with DPP additions I don’t believe.

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Random draft question really... any thoughts on Jy Simpkin? Available as a fwd, back from injury, and some positional reshuffles at North since he went out.

No idea why his scoring has been so much poorer this yr and if that's likely to change. He obviously had the pre season concussion which could have impacted him early.

North fans?
 
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Hey everyone, who would you elect to drop out of the top 14 listed below. Can only keep 12!
Ideally I'd keep them all, and I just know whoever I drop will dominate! (Looking at you, Parish 2021 :| )

I think the bottom few would be Bruhn, Taranto, Hogan and Durham.
We have the flex position enabled, which adds value to Darcy/Briggs.

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Any thoughts appreciated, cheers
 

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Hey everyone, who would you elect to drop out of the top 14 listed below. Can only keep 12!
Ideally I'd keep them all, and I just know whoever I drop will dominate! (Looking at you, Parish 2021 :| )

I think the bottom few would be Bruhn, Taranto, Hogan and Durham.
We have the flex position enabled, which adds value to Darcy/Briggs.

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Any thoughts appreciated, cheers
That’s an interesting question!

Are you in the window/rebuilding etc?

It looks like a good side to me, but a lot of the top quality is in your youth, so it’s probably not immediately obvious what your priority is.
 
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Hey everyone, who would you elect to drop out of the top 14 listed below. Can only keep 12!
Ideally I'd keep them all, and I just know whoever I drop will dominate! (Looking at you, Parish 2021 :| )

I think the bottom few would be Bruhn, Taranto, Hogan and Durham.
We have the flex position enabled, which adds value to Darcy/Briggs.

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Any thoughts appreciated, cheers
Not keeping Barrass? Possibly not a bad idea, guess the ball won't be in defence as much as when he was at the Eagles.

First thought was to drop Cameron and Hogan due to the inconsistency of key forwards, but with a flex, it's possibly not as big a problem. As mentioned by Darkie though, depends if you are pushing hard for the premiership now, or trying to build a team for future years who you would keep.
 
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Thanks for the replies.

Last year I was mid-table, and as you said, I've drafted pretty young and hoping they all come good in 1-2 years.
I still want to be competitive, and worry about needing to draft too many forwards when they've been pretty tough to pick for a few years.

Hogan I think had a spike year and (should?) regress to a low-mid 80s fwd.
Cameron is older, but probably a better scorer and should benefit from Geelong having a stronger team/pushing for top 4.
Bruhn/Durham/Soligo/Callaghan/McKercher are all young guns, hoping they all go to a new level in 2025. Most confident in McKercher, Callaghan and Soligo from the 5.
Bruhn averaged 80 if you take out his 2 injury games.
Durham looks great but I'm not sure about his ceiling. Is he 'just' a 100 avg mid as we've seen plenty of times before?

Barrass I've ruled out as Ithink I can find an 80-90 defender reasonably easily in the draft.
I also have Jamarra that I held last year, was considering a long-term play but don't think he's worth the risk now.
 

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Thanks for the replies.

Last year I was mid-table, and as you said, I've drafted pretty young and hoping they all come good in 1-2 years.
I still want to be competitive, and worry about needing to draft too many forwards when they've been pretty tough to pick for a few years.

Hogan I think had a spike year and (should?) regress to a low-mid 80s fwd.
Cameron is older, but probably a better scorer and should benefit from Geelong having a stronger team/pushing for top 4.
Bruhn/Durham/Soligo/Callaghan/McKercher are all young guns, hoping they all go to a new level in 2025. Most confident in McKercher, Callaghan and Soligo from the 5.
Bruhn averaged 80 if you take out his 2 injury games.
Durham looks great but I'm not sure about his ceiling. Is he 'just' a 100 avg mid as we've seen plenty of times before?

Barrass I've ruled out as Ithink I can find an 80-90 defender reasonably easily in the draft.
I also have Jamarra that I held last year, was considering a long-term play but don't think he's worth the risk now.
Thanks - possibly a silly question, but can you trade in your league? Eg an older player for a younger player, or an older player for a draft pick?
 
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We can trade players, but it takes a fair bit of communication and organisation. We haven't had many trades lately.
Also we can't trade now until after the draft is done.
 

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We can trade players, but it takes a fair bit of communication and organisation. We haven't had many trades lately.
Also we can't trade now until after the draft is done.
Thanks, that makes sense. I feel like your squad is deep enough that some players you can’t hold onto may appeal to another coach, but if the window is closed, that’s potentially an opportunity for next time.

I basically agree with your assessment. A few specific thoughts:

- Bruhn continues to play very low TOG, and so has greater upside if this progressively improves. He’s almost playing 100% of his on-ground time as a centre bounce midfielder, which indicates to me that they see him as a key piece of their midfield going forward. His role looks great medium term on that basis, but I doubt he’s the highest scorer this season.

- I feel like you may be undervaluing Taranto a bit. He’s not a star but his scoring is pretty decent. He’s ahead of some of your alternatives by a decent margin on scoring to date, so I guess you’re factoring in fairly significant near term changes, or taking a reasonably long term view, if you drop him.

- I wonder if you’re underrating Hogan a bit too. He apparently started a new training regime (potentially involving swimming?) last season and it helped his game materially. As long as he keeps doing that regime, I’d think he probably keeps scoring pretty well. Maybe GWS are a bit weaker with their departures, but his age is okay. If you could have, I probably would have looked at trading Cameron for value, and keeping Hogan, given your time horizon. At least Cameron plays for the cats, so he could have a long runway ahead of him 🙂 Cameron may have greater appeal for another coach in-season, so that may be something to consider.

- You have probably seen the news on Jamarra, which probably makes that decision easy, unfortunately. I agree re Barrass as well. There are ongoing rumours about his back, as you are probably aware.

- McKercher is a jet, don’t let him go unless you get something very valuable. He will likely end up a mid though.

- That means you have as many as eight mids on that list, which is more than I’d assume you want medium term - I’m thinking maybe 5 mids, 2 rucks, and 3-4 each for defenders and forwards would be your preferred structure on a blank sheet of paper (?). Either way you’re probably quite mid heavy, which is fine because you’ve got some stars in there, but it’s probably a line I would err on lightening.

- Someone like Durham doesn’t appear to have as high a ceiling as some others (based on age and how he got drafted - I don’t claim to know a lot about him, but you seem to be thinking similarly), so I would probably have him higher on my trim list as a result.

- You seem to have drafted well, certainly for mids, so you could back yourself to repeat that, which would add to the argument of lightening on that line.

Ultimately I’d probably lean to trimming the two mids who help you least in your window, with consideration given to letting go of a forward if you aren’t optimistic on them and don’t think you could trade them for much later in the season.
 
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Thanks, that makes sense. I feel like your squad is deep enough that some players you can’t hold onto may appeal to another coach, but if the window is closed, that’s potentially an opportunity for next time.

I basically agree with your assessment. A few specific thoughts:

- Bruhn continues to play very low TOG, and so has greater upside if this progressively improves. He’s almost playing 100% of his on-ground time as a centre bounce midfielder, which indicates to me that they see him as a key piece of their midfield going forward. His role looks great medium term on that basis, but I doubt he’s the highest scorer this season.

- I feel like you may be undervaluing Taranto a bit. He’s not a star but his scoring is pretty decent. He’s ahead of some of your alternatives by a decent margin on scoring to date, so I guess you’re factoring in fairly significant near term changes, or taking a reasonably long term view, if you drop him.

- I wonder if you’re underrating Hogan a bit too. He apparently started a new training regime (potentially involving swimming?) last season and it helped his game materially. As long as he keeps doing that regime, I’d think he probably keeps scoring pretty well. Maybe GWS are a bit weaker with their departures, but his age is okay. If you could have, I probably would have looked at trading Cameron for value, and keeping Hogan, given your time horizon. At least Cameron plays for the cats, so he could have a long runway ahead of him 🙂 Cameron may have greater appeal for another coach in-season, so that may be something to consider.

- You have probably seen the news on Jamarra, which probably makes that decision easy, unfortunately. I agree re Barrass as well. There are ongoing rumours about his back, as you are probably aware.

- McKercher is a jet, don’t let him go unless you get something very valuable. He will likely end up a mid though.

- That means you have as many as eight mids on that list, which is more than I’d assume you want medium term - I’m thinking maybe 5 mids, 2 rucks, and 3-4 each for defenders and forwards would be your preferred structure on a blank sheet of paper (?). Either way you’re probably quite mid heavy, which is fine because you’ve got some stars in there, but it’s probably a line I would err on lightening.

- Someone like Durham doesn’t appear to have as high a ceiling as some others (based on age and how he got drafted - I don’t claim to know a lot about him, but you seem to be thinking similarly), so I would probably have him higher on my trim list as a result.

- You seem to have drafted well, certainly for mids, so you could back yourself to repeat that, which would add to the argument of lightening on that line.

Ultimately I’d probably lean to trimming the two mids who help you least in your window, with consideration given to letting go of a forward if you aren’t optimistic on them and don’t think you could trade them for much later in the season.

Thanks mate, appreciate your feedback.
Tough decision ahead!
 
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Ok lads I have a 36 player keeper league with no waivers!!! Would love some feedback and which 6 this community would delist. DPP was not kind to me and I have traded off some players to add youth. Finished out of the finals but looking at taking a step this year via draft and trade.

Def
J Clark
Coleman
Mills
Ash
W Powell
Bowey

Mid
Ashcroft
Warner
H Reid
Soligo
Caldwell
McCluggage
Richards
T Powell
Rowbottom
Windsor
Windhager
H Clark
J Clark
E Allan
B Scott
B Campbell
W Phillips
Sparrow

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Grundy
Conway
Bryan

Fwd
E Hewett
Curtin
Z Duursma
Hobbs
Lipinski
J Graham
Lukosius
Gresham
 
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