Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion - OPEN

[Go Paddy]

My thinking on the Flex position is that it is better off to have a strong “Premo” type player rather than a rookie or cheap mid pricer as we are looking for someone with a good ceiling and consistent scores in order cover the lowest score on field on any line. Does that sound about right ?

Absolutely correct. People are over thinking it. All it is is a vehicle to remove your worst score. Put a premo there who is not captain. Done!

 

[Chumpion]

Absolutely correct. People are over thinking it. All it is is a vehicle to remove your worst score. Put a premo there who is not captain. Done!

I feel like this is slightly incorrect.. the flex is a vehicle to have +1 from a specific position that you would otherwise not be able to fit into the standard 30 man squad of previous years.
The dropping of your lowest score is completely independent of the flex spot - you have 31 scores on field and lost your worst. Putting a premium there is only a benefit if the player that replaces that premium in their position is someone you want in your team. So if it's a premium that allows you to get the best "next best" player that you couldn't squeeze that's fine, but if the player you really want is a forward then putting a mid premium in the flex spot might not actually help.

 

[FlatTrackBully]

Young had a couple of last quarter games sitting out with corks and tightness.

R6 - 54% TOG, 79 SC, 1.21 PPM. Sat out the game with a hamstring issue.

R23 - 68% TOG, 80 SC, 0.88 PPM. Came off for an extended period after a dump tackle however played out the game.

R24 - 66% TOG, 94 SC, 1.18 PPM. Can't remember what the issue was but he was subbed.

 

[Singapore Flyers]

I'd be thinking hard about picking Flynn in that R3 slot - thats $261K that wont score you any points - unless R1 or R2 go down.
If you really want Flynn, you could move him to the Flex spot - obviously you'd also need to find someone else for R3 and ditch one of your mid bench

I think it’s a call between having an extra rookie generating cash, versus points on field. With the byes in R2-4, the points loss might not be so severe, so helps the Flynn R3 argument.
The other aspect is the VC/C loop. If you have no dead rookie, R1 means you need to make a straight C call, which might be ok. R2 will depend on whether you start any GWS/GC players. R3 is safe, and R4 is probably safe.
My opinion is that this might be a 50/50 call and could really understand either choice.

 

[Chumpion]

I think it’s a call between having an extra rookie generating cash, versus points on field. With the byes in R2-4, the points loss might not be so severe, so helps the Flynn R3 argument.
The other aspect is the VC/C loop. If you have no dead rookie, R1 means you need to make a straight C call, which might be ok. R2 will depend on whether you start any GWS/GC players. R3 is safe, and R4 is probably safe.
My opinion is that this might be a 50/50 call and could really understand either choice.

Depending on ruck structure, you could set up to loop Flynn vs a forward rookie and take the best of the 2 scores. Relies on the right set up though as you need a forward rookie that plays early enough that you could move a non playing R/F DPP into the R2 spot to take Flynn (with your normal R2 moving to the flex spot).
Probably something you explore one preferred sides a locked in rather than trying to deliberately set up, but it's worth keeping in mind.

 

[bluesbrothers]

With all the value up forward this year I don't think it's worth paying $521k for a forward with as many question marks as he has. There is absolutely a world where he ends up as a top 1-3 forward, but I just don't think you need to carry the risk into your starting side.
Adelaide have acquired a few guys that can float through the midfield, and of all the ones they brought in Rankine by a mile has the most benefit and impact as a forward. He will definitely get some midfield minutes, but how that looks could vary - is he a CB only mid, does he start at HF and push up the ground, or is it a bit of both? Then you have the injury risk, where he has shown a high likelihood of missing blocks of games from injury over his career. All it takes is one of those injuries to hit early in a game and he's potentially a bargain forward upgrade that everyone swoops on.

He's on the watch list for sure, but I see him as upgrade potential as I can't see him having a strong of scores so high he becomes unattainable.

Definitely don't disagree with this. Will most likely run without him to start, but I do see him as having upside, especially with a more mid role. I honestly just don't trust Nicks and what he will do though. He is the kind of coach that will switch a half dozen players positions around if they lose 2 games in a row (imo, close to the worst coach in the afl). I really like Dawson as a starting pick, with his bye, and potential to go back over 110, but am trying to avoid him due to how Nicks coached last year with some of his players.

 

[Chumpion]

Definitely don't disagree with this. Will most likely run without him to start, but I do see him as having upside, especially with a more mid role. I honestly just don't trust Nicks and what he will do though. He is the kind of coach that will switch a half dozen players positions around if they lose 2 games in a row (imo, close to the worst coach in the afl). I really like Dawson as a starting pick, with his bye, and potential to go back over 110, but am trying to avoid him due to how Nicks coached last year with some of his players.

Yeah there are so many players at the crows the "could" be super SC relevant but it's just so hard to know who they'll be and how consistent it'll be..

 

[Toothless Tigers]

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I'd be thinking hard about picking Flynn in that R3 slot - thats $261K that wont score you any points - unless R1 or R2 go down.
If you really want Flynn, you could move him to the Flex spot - obviously you'd also need to find someone else for R3 and ditch one of your mid bench

Thank you for the sage advice, Boyd may need to be drafted.

 

[Gruffles]

Absolutely correct. People are over thinking it. All it is is a vehicle to remove your worst score. Put a premo there who is not captain. Done!

Can you not captain/Vice captain a player in flex?

 

[Courtesans]

Any thoughts as the player to use for the VC/C loop?

 

[OnTopBar]

Any thoughts as the player to use for the VC/C loop?

I'm not thinking about one until round 5 when that choice could well have been made for me. Winging it round 1 and will have bye players out in rounds 2, 3 & 4.

@7/11 put this up earlier

Been having a look at the game order for loops and have created this spreadsheet. I've done it to the last bye round (trusting the game order doesn't change). Made the team names vanilla for ease of view:

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At the moment, it looks as though West Coast have the best looping schedule. Round 16 doesn't matter so much as I assume we will all have at least 1-2 players from those teams on the bye. GWS and Sydney also have good looping schedules.

For those interested in the total, I just added the game numbers together and for byes, I added 9 to the total as it was effectively like playing the last game anyway.

 

[BIGB0Y]

Just read on AFL Site "Will Day forward move" surely not, the lad is the best Mid at the club.?

Bont does it very similar players imo, obviously day isn't at bont level but could get close.

 

[Herbie66]

Can you not captain/Vice captain a player in flex?

You can VC or C the Flex.

It is a new position.

The only difference to a D , M , F or R is it has no Emergency as cover.

This season we get 23 onfield scores

The lowest drops out , this will be the lowest score from Flex , D , M , F or R

In the Bye rounds it is Best 18.

I am struggling to understand why there is so much confusion over it

 

[Manikato1]

I have an observation about defence. Given that the forward line seems to have a plethora of value options and most of us are loading up on these, I am a bit surprised how many backlines I have seen that are also weighted towards value selections.

I get the idea of value and having more trades these days helps if one of the MPM selections doesn’t come up to scratch. However I have seen teams with one def keeper and the rest value picks plus rookies. As most teams also have Oliver or Peatling or both in the mids it really starts to stretch the imagination that all of these mid range picks will work out.

My first line of thought was that a lot of people would secure the backline with at least three keepers and maybe one value pick. Hopefully that would reduce volatility on that line and allow coaches to concentrate on the forward line which could see plenty of trade action. But it seems not at the moment.

Still it is early days, so teams will no doubt change greatly between now and Rd 1.

 

[Russty_]

I have an observation about defence. Given that the forward line seems to have a plethora of value options and most of us are loading up on these, I am a bit surprised how many backlines I have seen that are also weighted towards value selections.

I get the idea of value and having more trades these days helps if one of the MPM selections doesn’t come up to scratch. However I have seen teams with one def keeper and the rest value picks plus rookies. As most teams also have Oliver or Peatling or both in the mids it really starts to stretch the imagination that all of these mid range picks will work out.

My first line of thought was that a lot of people would secure the backline with at least three keepers and maybe one value pick. Hopefully that would reduce volatility on that line and allow coaches to concentrate on the forward line which could see plenty of trade action. But it seems not at the moment.

Still it is early days, so teams will no doubt change greatly between now and Rd 1.

That's what I'm going with, three what I hope are keepers and Mills, two rookies, was even considering 4 keepers on that line which can be a big problem if you're understaffed.

 

[warewolves]

I have absolutely no recollection of this guy who debuted at the end of last season but he put up some pretty impressive numbers.
He's a DEF-MID DPP option at $338K (priced at 62.8 after the discount - did average 78.5)


Are there any Bomber fans out there with a better memory than me..
Is he best 23 this year? Is he worth $338K ?

 

[Herbie66]

I have an observation about defence. Given that the forward line seems to have a plethora of value options and most of us are loading up on these, I am a bit surprised how many backlines I have seen that are also weighted towards value selections.

I get the idea of value and having more trades these days helps if one of the MPM selections doesn’t come up to scratch. However I have seen teams with one def keeper and the rest value picks plus rookies. As most teams also have Oliver or Peatling or both in the mids it really starts to stretch the imagination that all of these mid range picks will work out.

My first line of thought was that a lot of people would secure the backline with at least three keepers and maybe one value pick. Hopefully that would reduce volatility on that line and allow coaches to concentrate on the forward line which could see plenty of trade action. But it seems not at the moment.

Still it is early days, so teams will no doubt change greatly between now and Rd 1.

Depends a lot on the D & M rookies.

I can get :-

Sinclair , Clark , McKercher + the standard Mills & Coleman

but Butters , Serong , Oliver + B Smith (rookie at F6) so might be thin @ M4-8.

Allows 2 premium rucks with Flynn @ Flex which may or may not be viable.

If Flynn doesn't look viable will need to change things around.

Juggle some dollars around and I might be able to get a Peatling price type @ M5

Obviously until Round 1 rookies are known nothing is set in stone.

 

[Herbie66]

I have absolutely no recollection of this guy who debuted at the end of last season but he put up some pretty impressive numbers.
He's a DEF-MID DPP option at $338K (priced at 62.8 after the discount - did average 78.5)

View attachment 83185
Are there any Bomber fans out there with a better memory than me..
Is he best 23 this year? Is he worth $338K ?

Nice get

Was trying to remember who he was the other day.

Nice link with El-Hawli as well

 

[Toothless Tigers]

I have an observation about defence. Given that the forward line seems to have a plethora of value options and most of us are loading up on these, I am a bit surprised how many backlines I have seen that are also weighted towards value selections.

I get the idea of value and having more trades these days helps if one of the MPM selections doesn’t come up to scratch. However I have seen teams with one def keeper and the rest value picks plus rookies. As most teams also have Oliver or Peatling or both in the mids it really starts to stretch the imagination that all of these mid range picks will work out.

My first line of thought was that a lot of people would secure the backline with at least three keepers and maybe one value pick. Hopefully that would reduce volatility on that line and allow coaches to concentrate on the forward line which could see plenty of trade action. But it seems not at the moment.

Still it is early days, so teams will no doubt change greatly between now and Rd 1.

In regard to value vs premium selections for the defence comes down to:

• Flanders - What impact will Rioli have on his role/scoring.
• Ryan - Is his role/point scoring affected by Clark?
• Sinclair / NWM - Will rotations through the midfield be affected by Macrae/Philipou?
• Clark - Is he now the go to player out of defence, will Chapman have any effect?
• Sicily - uncertain what his role is with Josh Battle and Tom Barrass being recruited.

I would rather spend money in the midfield where the role is more defined.

For me it was 2 premium midfielders vs 2 premium defenders, I chose to go with Serong and Merrett as I have less concerns about their role / point scoring consistency than I do the equivalent defenders.

 

[Russty_]

Nice get

Was trying to remember who he was the other day.

Nice link with El-Hawli as well

I started a DT side the other day to accept a league invite from last year so I auto filled the team and it had an A.Roberts in it, and I thought, who the hell is that? haha