SCSUL RULE CHANGES - Discussion

[Darkie]

Regarding the time element, my understanding is that this should be quite straightforward.

I think it would just be a matter of adding the 23rd score (ie the flex score) into the SUM, and then removing the minimum score (?), eg:

=SUM(A1:A22)

would become

=SUM(A1:A23) - MIN(A1:A23)

I’m happy for it to not be incorporated in UL. I don’t really have a preference either way (I just wanted to know which way we were leaning).

If we do think it would be good to include down the track, I think it could be done in a way that involves a modest amount of initial setup, and no ongoing time investment for Ken.

If it was going to be labour intensive I’d definitely be erring against, but my understanding is that shouldn’t be the case … so it may be a viable option down the track if desired.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Interesting, I clearly haven't been keeping up.

Does that make Ruck less important? If we remain at 2, you could easily play a 1 ruck strategy and just have a spare mid on bench?

Means you are exposed to an early injury, more so than opponent (whilst saving $500k-$1m)?

Like I’ve said before, I’m in the wait and see a year camp re. any introduction of a flex.

But will just touch on this, I think your flex would only be allowed to replace the lowest score that is possible through position eligibility (via DPP if applicable).

So for example, if you have a ruck donut. You’d have to either have a flex with ruck eligibility, or a DPP RUC eligible on field (say FWD), for the flex to be able to cover a ruck don’t. Otherwise they just replace the next worst score, and you cop the donut as your 22nd score.

That then eliminates the issues outlined in your post re. Diminishing ruck importance. Additionally, even in my example, the second point just wouldn’t occur. If you had a ruck donut, but a RUC/FWD up FWD, you’d obviously be fielding them in the ruck anyway.

Again in summary, think this is very much one to see how it plays out for a year or so, and properly craft any potential rules for its introduction. Rather than rush anything.

 

[lappinitup]

Like I’ve said before, I’m in the wait and see a year camp re. any introduction of a flex.

But will just touch on this, I think your flex would only be allowed to replace the lowest score that is possible through position eligibility (via DPP if applicable).

So for example, if you have a ruck donut. You’d have to either have a flex with ruck eligibility, or a DPP RUC eligible on field (say FWD), for the flex to be able to cover a ruck don’t. Otherwise they just replace the next worst score, and you cop the donut as your 22nd score.

That then eliminates the issues outlined in your post re. Diminishing ruck importance. Additionally, even in my example, the second point just wouldn’t occur. If you had a ruck donut, but a RUC/FWD up FWD, you’d obviously be fielding them in the ruck anyway.

Again in summary, think this is very much one to see how it plays out for a year or so, and properly craft any potential rules for its introduction. Rather than rush anything.

Interesting, I think on first thoughts I agree with all of the above.

Flex is a nice concept to protect against injuries, stinker scores. However, I think with 10 experienced supercoach coaches it would become more strategic. We have emergencies to protect against late outs.

If the overwhelming majority wanted it in, I would vote in favour for intro in 2028 or after.. giving coaches plenty of time to plan for it.

However, I am comfortable with it remaining out for now.

 

[Bomber18]

Seems like SC draft keep the on field player numbers as is but ie allow an ability to nominate one of the positions as flex (so you have more flexibility regarding your 22nd player).

I’m not opposed to this - ie 21 players (2 of which must be rucks) and then flexibility to choose the 22nd player from DEF, MID or FWD.

 

[Darkie]

Can I check please - I previously understood that we needed to take a minimum of 3 selections in the PSD.

I gather I may have misunderstood this, or it may have changed - and the minimum of 3 selections is across the auction and draft combined. Is that correct?

Just to avoid any doubt, can I check if matched RFAs count for the purpose of the 3 please? I would imagine that they would, given that they’re not tradeable at the end of their second contracts (which I understood to be because they’re technically not on our lists any more!).

Thanks in advance.

 

[KLo30]

3 May 2021

Heading: Preseason Auctions & Draft Selections

Rule: Preseason Draft Selections

The intention of the rule was having players available each year for selection through either auction or draft.

Draft selections for the minimum should really read Auction & Draft Selections. Be involved in the draft or not, it's up to you. I'm happy with the max 12 in drafting, obviously teams have more than 12 available list positions on year to year, which will be filled from auction and draft.

 

[Darkie]

3 May 2021

Heading: Preseason Auctions & Draft Selections

Rule: Preseason Draft Selections

The intention of the rule was having players available each year for selection through either auction or draft.

Draft selections for the minimum should really read Auction & Draft Selections. Be involved in the draft or not, it's up to you. I'm happy with the max 12 in drafting, obviously teams have more than 12 available list positions on year to year, which will be filled from auction and draft.

Thanks for clarifying Ken - very helpful.

I’ve taken two FAs and two RFAs, so I should have met the minimum of three already.

I am fortunate to have pick 1 though, so I will probably make an appearance regardless!

 

[lappinitup]

Interesting, always read that as required to take 3 picks in the draft.

I can take that pick off your hands if you need Darkie

 

[Bomber18]

3 May 2021

Heading: Preseason Auctions & Draft Selections

Rule: Preseason Draft Selections

The intention of the rule was having players available each year for selection through either auction or draft.

Draft selections for the minimum should really read Auction & Draft Selections. Be involved in the draft or not, it's up to you. I'm happy with the max 12 in drafting, obviously teams have more than 12 available list positions on year to year, which will be filled from auction and draft.

Hmm I don’t want to be a spoil sport but I read this to mean 3 PSD selections minimum per year (excluding the auction), same as AFL re free agency, which doesn’t override the rule for 3 minimum draft selections.


I don’t think the 12 PSD selections is interpreted to mean 12 max selections across PSD and FA so didn’t think the rule should be interpreted differently for the minimum rule.

If I’m wrong on the interpretation that’s fine though - happy to follow Comissioner decision. I had to work hard to comply with the 12 max PSD rule this season.

 

[Bomber18]

Interesting, always read that as required to take 3 picks in the draft.

I can take that pick off your hands if you need Darkie

I did too.

 

[KLo30]

3 May 2021

Heading: Preseason Auctions & Draft Selections

Rule: Preseason Draft Selections

The intention of the rule was having players available each year for selection through either auction or draft.

Draft selections for the minimum should really read Auction & Draft Selections. Be involved in the draft or not, it's up to you. I'm happy with the max 12 in drafting, obviously teams have more than 12 available list positions on year to year, which will be filled from auction and draft.

Actually the date was 3rd March 2021, just before the 2021 Draft. Page 62. That statement/interpretation has been through 4 draft cycles.

 

[Bomber18]

Actually the date was 3rd March 2021, just before the 2021 Draft. Page 62. That statement/interpretation has been through 4 draft cycles.

No worries! To confirm, the rule is:

- 3 minimum Preseason Draft, Free Agency and Restricted Free Agency Selections

- 12 maximum Preseason Draft Selections

Worth updating the dropbox rules to make that point clearer!

 

[lappinitup]

Hmm I don’t want to be a spoil sport but I read this to mean 3 PSD selections minimum per year (excluding the auction), same as AFL re free agency, which doesn’t override the rule for 3 minimum draft selections.

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I don’t think the 12 PSD selections is interpreted to mean 12 max selections across PSD and FA so didn’t think the rule should be interpreted differently for the minimum rule.

If I’m wrong on the interpretation that’s fine though - happy to follow Comissioner decision. I had to work hard to comply with the 12 max PSD rule this season.

I thought the rule document was rather clear to be honest..Must make a minimum of 3 Preseason Draft selections. Not sure that is a misinterpretation on re reading, clearly it was discussed/clarified again amongst you all before I joined which I stupidly missed.

I have compromised strategy in past to comply with the 3 and 12 rule, based on dropbox rules, so agree @Bomber18 lets update those for when the memory fails us!

 

[KLo30]

I thought the rule document was rather clear to be honest..Must make a minimum of 3 Preseason Draft selections. Not sure that is a misinterpretation on re reading, clearly it was discussed/clarified again amongst you all before I joined which I stupidly missed.

I have compromised strategy in past to comply with the 3 and 12 rule, based on dropbox rules, so agree @Bomber18 lets update those for when the memory fails us!

You were part of the league when I posted the interpretation. Your post 1234. Rule 1235 and interpretation 1236.

I don't care how we want to interpret the rule. It was stated as such in 2021 before the draft, no one has said a thing for nearly five years and I restated the interpretation when asked this year.

 

[lappinitup]

Happy with that, want me to update rules document so the source of truth is clear.

As I said, for when memory fails us!! I refer back to rules doc rather than try and remember posts in threads. Appears others do too.

Just let me know if you want me to continue reflect rule changes agreed, so you don't have to do it all.

 

[Bomber18]

Yep all good if that’s always been the interpretation. I think I didnt see that post at the time.

 

[Philzsay]

I must admit I've never worried about this 3 minimum rule as I've always met it naturally very comfortably every year!

 

[Bomber18]

I must admit I've never worried about this 3 minimum rule as I've always met it naturally very comfortably every year!

Me too haha.