Discussion 2025: AFL SC - Rate My Team

Joined
6 Dec 2022
Messages
482
Likes
2,457
AFL Club
Fremantle
#61
I thinks Holmes is just a better player in general, who sits behind the ball that allows him to get intercept possession. I'm still keen on Holmes to add 10ppg.
I don’t really get the Holmes pick, sort of just banking on natural progression which is much harder to predict.

Similar to Newcombe last year, hard to see an increase in output when the role is already good.
 
Joined
12 Jan 2014
Messages
3,896
Likes
12,314
AFL Club
West Coast
#62
I don't construct a team the same way that seems popular with a lot of other people. I have a spreadsheet and keep a pecking order of players and start from scratch each time I fill out the positions. If my estimate of BSmith goes from PIT100 to PIT90 it doesn't mean I have to find another F2. It might be that the flow on effect changes 3 or 4 other positions on the ground which in turn can also vastly change the budget. So every player on my watch list is competing with every other player on my watchlist. BSmith is on my watchlist and I still think he's an ok pick, but the last couple of times I've gone through the process BSmith hasn't ended up in my team because I've downgraded my expectations of him.
I am a bit in this camp regarding selection of players as well. A player I decide to fade does not need to be replaced by like for like. A change might mean more cash to upgrade another player on a different line who I think might be a more reliable scorer than the player I have just dropped. The overall picture is the priority as long as you don't weaken a line so badly it will take major surgery to fix during the season.

In the case of both JHF and Smith, I started with both of them in early drafts and now have neither. My F1 currently is Rankine who is showing steady improvement in recent seasons and I think can go 100 plus. If he got injured tomorrow then I would go to JHF and Smith would be third cab off the rank. The M/F of JHF is handy but I am hoping Rankine can be more consistent and have a better floor.
 
Joined
30 Jul 2014
Messages
1,651
Likes
4,692
AFL Club
Sydney
#63
The big thing with fading Smith is who are you replacing him with, and how does that player go? Sometimes with these highly owned toss up calls it's better to just follow the pack in and jump when you know where to, rather than risk having to still use a correction trade on the wrong pick (which is compounded if Smith goes well).
FWIW I don't think he'll be a great scorer, I think he'll averaging something passable but it'll be with a lower floor and high ceiling. He'll have some 70s/80s scores in there and some 120+ scores, and will also score in bursts within games. One thing I haven't seen a lot of in the fading him conversations though who is who would be picked instead, and what is that player likely to do.
At the moment he isn't in my team but that's because I had the coin to get Daniels who I think is massively flying under the radar this preseason and has genuine keeper potential. He added a lot to the mid mix last season and with more of a tank and Stringer coming in up forward, I think he is primed to surprise many. So for me I think fading a guy who is a small chance of being a strong keeper for a guy only slightly more expensive but with more upside makes sense. Which isn't to say Smith won't find his way into my team at some point, I was just able to do what I think is better from that price point.
Yeah I guess I don’t really think about it that way. I think about it as a whole squad of players, there isn’t one spot allocate for Bayley Smith Or His Substitute.

I can go up to a premium (unlikely as I already have JHF and hate the rest, though I take your point on Daniels), sideways to a Sanders type (Darcy Wilson!?), or more likely down to a rookie and use the cash across any other line.

At the end of the day as we all know, rookies determine the structure, then you just fill the rest with your favourite premiums downwards until you run out of spots. If I think Smith is a 82-85 player then he probably just shuffles down the Zagbag Power Rankings to the point where he might not get a gig anymore.
 
Joined
13 Apr 2012
Messages
6,029
Likes
15,785
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#64
Bit late to the party this year. Plenty of value on offer and feel the need to squeeze down to 7 Rookies on field and potentially even 6 if Peatling looks to have a nice role. Clark and Draper - Peatling and Roberts the clear avenue to 6 rookies. with the current setup.

Defence looking like the line that counts most early season. Nailing those 500ish players from the get go going to play a big part in early rankings. Stewart looks the pick of the litter even at 32 years old as the one most likely to hit back into 110+ territory of he's fit and the role is there, but as i said im not sure how his preseason has gone as im a bit out of the loop.

Pretty settled in the mids, dont love the Brayshaw pick but think hes probably the best in the price bracket when you consider the bye.

Ruck a bit of a no brainer I think, could entertain Gawn over TDK but father time comes for us all, even those with great beards.

Would love to fit Rankine forward but someone has to miss. Cant imagine there will be too much fluctuation in the forward line in most teams either way. We'll all have the same problems to fix forward - either a blessing or a curse depending how you look at it.

Would love someone to poke some holes in the side if time permits - just havent had the time to do it myself this year unfortunately.

1739857702544.png
 
Joined
27 Jan 2014
Messages
6,864
Likes
15,147
AFL Club
Fremantle
#65
Bit late to the party this year. Plenty of value on offer and feel the need to squeeze down to 7 Rookies on field and potentially even 6 if Peatling looks to have a nice role. Clark and Draper - Peatling and Roberts the clear avenue to 6 rookies. with the current setup.

Defence looking like the line that counts most early season. Nailing those 500ish players from the get go going to play a big part in early rankings. Stewart looks the pick of the litter even at 32 years old as the one most likely to hit back into 110+ territory of he's fit and the role is there, but as i said im not sure how his preseason has gone as im a bit out of the loop.

Pretty settled in the mids, dont love the Brayshaw pick but think hes probably the best in the price bracket when you consider the bye.

Ruck a bit of a no brainer I think, could entertain Gawn over TDK but father time comes for us all, even those with great beards.

Would love to fit Rankine forward but someone has to miss. Cant imagine there will be too much fluctuation in the forward line in most teams either way. We'll all have the same problems to fix forward - either a blessing or a curse depending how you look at it.

Would love someone to poke some holes in the side if time permits - just havent had the time to do it myself this year unfortunately.

View attachment 83920
Solid. No point in talking rookies just yet. The only hole I can see is 7 rnd 12 premiums. Sheezel, Bont, Rozee, Xerri, De Koning, JHF and Daniel. Xerri was gifted an easy run home last year against the softer rucks so could be overpriced? Anderson or Dawson instead of Rozee? JHF could go to Rankine or Erasmus moves forward and bring in another mid?
 
Joined
26 Jun 2019
Messages
2,720
Likes
10,188
AFL Club
Richmond
#67
Can't believe I'm doing it after last years debacle of trading in Rowell at round 7 but here we are. GCS have a dream draw to start with WCE, Tigers and North in their first 5 games, yes, he has a bye in round 2 but he's the only one in the team on that bye and with 4 rookie priced players there's a good chance that he'll be replaced with a MP. His game style lends itself to him burning out, maybe there'll be a change in how he's managed, who knows? He's a POD at 3% ownership which I like.

Fixtures are a bit of a theme with Carlton having a similar draw to the Suns, hence Cripps, Cerra and Smith. Freo aren't far behind so Clark, Brayshaw and Noddy get a run. Those players are all under 10% owned barring Jagga (who I'm not sure on yet)

The early byes are a focus too which is the main reason for having 4 rookie priced players on field, I'll have to take 2 of them in round 3 (theoretically) but none in the other 2 rounds.

Providing Sheldrick, Noddy, Knevitt avoid the vest I think that they're better on field options than most if not all of this years draftees, feels strange having higher priced players on the bench. There's a raft of sub $120k guys who I'll have no hesitation in starting over the high priced bench players.

I'm obviously weak in the forwards and backs but I think it's easier to upgrade on those lines barring the Sheezel, Flanders and Zorko types. Phillipou and Kiddy are going to be gifts once they become available so that's part of the reasoning as well.

I want to get off to a good start and I think this team gives me a fair chance of achieving that. The extra player at flex also mitigates the starting of so many MP's

Anyway, have at it!

1739865457457.png
 
Joined
15 Jan 2018
Messages
2,099
Likes
5,349
AFL Club
Richmond
#69
I don’t really get the Holmes pick, sort of just banking on natural progression which is much harder to predict.

Similar to Newcombe last year, hard to see an increase in output when the role is already good.
That's the good thing about SuperCoach we wont all agree on our opinions about players or we all would have the same team
 
Joined
15 Jan 2018
Messages
2,099
Likes
5,349
AFL Club
Richmond
#70
16 Days out from round zero and still a lot of preseason hit outs to come.

This is my current team. I’n still weighing up whether to strengthen the backline and who will be my second ruck. Is TDK going to ruck solo or is Pittonet going also play. Rookies also subject to change.


View attachment 83922 View attachment 83923
Nice team. Very similar to my team 5 players different.
 
Joined
9 Dec 2020
Messages
2,627
Likes
13,430
AFL Club
Essendon
#71
Can't believe I'm doing it after last years debacle of trading in Rowell at round 7 but here we are. GCS have a dream draw to start with WCE, Tigers and North in their first 5 games, yes, he has a bye in round 2 but he's the only one in the team on that bye and with 4 rookie priced players there's a good chance that he'll be replaced with a MP. His game style lends itself to him burning out, maybe there'll be a change in how he's managed, who knows? He's a POD at 3% ownership which I like.

Fixtures are a bit of a theme with Carlton having a similar draw to the Suns, hence Cripps, Cerra and Smith. Freo aren't far behind so Clark, Brayshaw and Noddy get a run. Those players are all under 10% owned barring Jagga (who I'm not sure on yet)

The early byes are a focus too which is the main reason for having 4 rookie priced players on field, I'll have to take 2 of them in round 3 (theoretically) but none in the other 2 rounds.

Providing Sheldrick, Noddy, Knevitt avoid the vest I think that they're better on field options than most if not all of this years draftees, feels strange having higher priced players on the bench. There's a raft of sub $120k guys who I'll have no hesitation in starting over the high priced bench players.

I'm obviously weak in the forwards and backs but I think it's easier to upgrade on those lines barring the Sheezel, Flanders and Zorko types. Phillipou and Kiddy are going to be gifts once they become available so that's part of the reasoning as well.

I want to get off to a good start and I think this team gives me a fair chance of achieving that. The extra player at flex also mitigates the starting of so many MP's

Anyway, have at it!

View attachment 83924
Sound reasoning behind the picks and in isolation it all makes sense, but my worry is you are starting a lot of D5\6 and M6/7/8 types just because of a good early draw, but after that you’ll be exposed as coaches bring more of the top end selections. Similarly with your forward line, you could well need 4-5 upgrades there so while you are bringing in forwards, teams are bringing top tier mids or defenders, or jumping on absolute value selections to fill the M7/8 or D6 roles.
I think the strategy has merit but I think you need to smooth it out with some genuine top selections, especially in the backline and mids, to o***et the risks. It’s a long season and you don’t want to fall away from a hot start because you only focussed on the very early fixtures.
 
Joined
15 Jan 2018
Messages
2,099
Likes
5,349
AFL Club
Richmond
#72
Can't believe I'm doing it after last years debacle of trading in Rowell at round 7 but here we are. GCS have a dream draw to start with WCE, Tigers and North in their first 5 games, yes, he has a bye in round 2 but he's the only one in the team on that bye and with 4 rookie priced players there's a good chance that he'll be replaced with a MP. His game style lends itself to him burning out, maybe there'll be a change in how he's managed, who knows? He's a POD at 3% ownership which I like.

Fixtures are a bit of a theme with Carlton having a similar draw to the Suns, hence Cripps, Cerra and Smith. Freo aren't far behind so Clark, Brayshaw and Noddy get a run. Those players are all under 10% owned barring Jagga (who I'm not sure on yet)

The early byes are a focus too which is the main reason for having 4 rookie priced players on field, I'll have to take 2 of them in round 3 (theoretically) but none in the other 2 rounds.

Providing Sheldrick, Noddy, Knevitt avoid the vest I think that they're better on field options than most if not all of this years draftees, feels strange having higher priced players on the bench. There's a raft of sub $120k guys who I'll have no hesitation in starting over the high priced bench players.

I'm obviously weak in the forwards and backs but I think it's easier to upgrade on those lines barring the Sheezel, Flanders and Zorko types. Phillipou and Kiddy are going to be gifts once they become available so that's part of the reasoning as well.

I want to get off to a good start and I think this team gives me a fair chance of achieving that. The extra player at flex also mitigates the starting of so many MP's

Anyway, have at it!

View attachment 83924
Love the Rowell pick his been in and out of my team, contract year I think he has a point to prove. Has so much potential as a player.
 
Joined
12 Jan 2014
Messages
3,896
Likes
12,314
AFL Club
West Coast
#74
Bit late to the party this year. Plenty of value on offer and feel the need to squeeze down to 7 Rookies on field and potentially even 6 if Peatling looks to have a nice role. Clark and Draper - Peatling and Roberts the clear avenue to 6 rookies. with the current setup.

Defence looking like the line that counts most early season. Nailing those 500ish players from the get go going to play a big part in early rankings. Stewart looks the pick of the litter even at 32 years old as the one most likely to hit back into 110+ territory of he's fit and the role is there, but as i said im not sure how his preseason has gone as im a bit out of the loop.

Pretty settled in the mids, dont love the Brayshaw pick but think hes probably the best in the price bracket when you consider the bye.

Ruck a bit of a no brainer I think, could entertain Gawn over TDK but father time comes for us all, even those with great beards.

Would love to fit Rankine forward but someone has to miss. Cant imagine there will be too much fluctuation in the forward line in most teams either way. We'll all have the same problems to fix forward - either a blessing or a curse depending how you look at it.

Would love someone to poke some holes in the side if time permits - just havent had the time to do it myself this year unfortunately.

View attachment 83920
Only things to watch currently would be Smillie has an injury atm so keep a watch on that if you really like him. Also I had Lynch but as the central key fwd I wonder if he gets double teamed a lot. Also I would keep an eye on the next Tigers scratch match as they played a quite slow movement game against WC and that style of game might also make it hard for Lynch as well.
 
Joined
9 Dec 2020
Messages
2,627
Likes
13,430
AFL Club
Essendon
#76
Love the Rowell pick his been in and out of my team, contract year I think he has a point to prove. Has so much potential as a player.
Just on Rowell, he’s on that to me (eye test from watching games and being an owner) got absolutely crucified by the rule change to cut down on players fighting out tackles. Seemed to really struggle to adapt, and it impacted him a lot. Remains to be seen if he’s found a way to handle it better but for me I’d want to see that before I looked at him.
 
Joined
15 Jan 2018
Messages
2,099
Likes
5,349
AFL Club
Richmond
#77
Gut thing, Holmes looks a nice price for what he may deliver aside from the Rd 0 thing.
It's his role that impressed me, played a lot of time on ball then drops back to half back. When the cats attack he sits a kick behind the ball and takes intercept marks/possesions. He's disposals is the one thing that lets him down at times. I would be surprised if he didn't add 5-10ppg on his average.
 
Joined
26 Jun 2019
Messages
2,720
Likes
10,188
AFL Club
Richmond
#78
Sound reasoning behind the picks and in isolation it all makes sense, but my worry is you are starting a lot of D5\6 and M6/7/8 types just because of a good early draw, but after that you’ll be exposed as coaches bring more of the top end selections. Similarly with your forward line, you could well need 4-5 upgrades there so while you are bringing in forwards, teams are bringing top tier mids or defenders, or jumping on absolute value selections to fill the M7/8 or D6 roles.
I think the strategy has merit but I think you need to smooth it out with some genuine top selections, especially in the backline and mids, to o***et the risks. It’s a long season and you don’t want to fall away from a hot start because you only focussed on the very early fixtures.
Yes, you're right, that's the traditional way of how teams are structured, anchors on each line.

With regard to the forwards, I've foregone starting JHF (Rankine) and chosen Cerra instead, I can a see a similar output but the dollars saved gives me a better scoring player on field that has similar cash gen to a rookie that was in his place. Macrae, Smith and Daniel could well be keepers, add in Phillipou (who'll take Sanders spot) and that leaves just 2 spots to fill.

I think that Sheezel, Flanders and Zorko will fill out the defence, but doubts on Sheezel's output and the early byes (Flanders injury) knocks them out as starting selections. Kiddy coming in early as a cheap upgrade is very much like Phillipou in the forwards.

TBH, I have no problem in flicking some of those players with good early fixtures, Cerra (injury) and Rowell (burn out) in particular, to players like Bont, Naicos and Neale. The good thing is that I'll have the option of doing just that should the timing and availability present themselves.

TDK over Xerri is one that's enticing though, fair bit of cash released for an upgrade somewhere else, TDK's fixture is awesome (Pittonet excluded) Xerri's is difficult.
 
Joined
26 Jun 2019
Messages
2,720
Likes
10,188
AFL Club
Richmond
#79
Just on Rowell, he’s on that to me (eye test from watching games and being an owner) got absolutely crucified by the rule change to cut down on players fighting out tackles. Seemed to really struggle to adapt, and it impacted him a lot. Remains to be seen if he’s found a way to handle it better but for me I’d want to see that before I looked at him.
I think it was partly due to him burning out, but it's a very good point that you raised.
 
Joined
9 Dec 2020
Messages
2,627
Likes
13,430
AFL Club
Essendon
#80
Yes, you're right, that's the traditional way of how teams are structured, anchors on each line.

With regard to the forwards, I've foregone starting JHF (Rankine) and chosen Cerra instead, I can a see a similar output but the dollars saved gives me a better scoring player on field that has similar cash gen to a rookie that was in his place. Macrae, Smith and Daniel could well be keepers, add in Phillipou (who'll take Sanders spot) and that leaves just 2 spots to fill.

I think that Sheezel, Flanders and Zorko will fill out the defence, but doubts on Sheezel's output and the early byes (Flanders injury) knocks them out as starting selections. Kiddy coming in early as a cheap upgrade is very much like Phillipou in the forwards.

TBH, I have no problem in flicking some of those players with good early fixtures, Cerra (injury) and Rowell (burn out) in particular, to players like Bont, Naicos and Neale. The good thing is that I'll have the option of doing just that should the timing and availability present themselves.

TDK over Xerri is one that's enticing though, fair bit of cash released for an upgrade somewhere else, TDK's fixture is awesome (Pittonet excluded) Xerri's is difficult.
Yeah I can see Cerra outscoring JHF and Rankine, although it is somewhat o***et by the fact it’s different lines and you’ll need forwards.

I just think you’re backing yourself into a corner of either holding those M7/M8 types and having a weaker final team, or sideways trading those guys to better premiums at a time others are getting rookies off field. Unless 1-2 of them become genuine keepers at that M4/5 level, I don’t think it works out favourably longer term.

Last thought - while the keeper level for forwards is low, I wouldn’t be banking on all 3 of Macrae, Smith and Daniel being keepers. If they do, amazing, but I would be more pragmatic assuming at least 1 needs to be upgraded. Having one F6 is bad enough but you don’t want 2-3 of them!
 
Top