2015: Pre-Season Injury Status Updates

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It is important to note that Birchall was required to play a lockdown role last year at times as a result of multiple injuries to the Hawks key defenders. This was a major reason for some of his low scores.
If my backline wasn't bad enough to start with, It's now a total mess.
3 defenders in 3 days. Waters, Maynard (rookie) and Birchall.
Looks as though Hodge may now get a run in my team. Just can't bring myself to pick the footballer formally known Harry O. The only benefit I can see with Harry is his round 13 bye.
 
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Jules last year across the season he had 56, 53, 37 and a 60. All in all 9 scores under 90 for the season (compensated by 5 times over 100).

He usually gets cheaper as do most defenders but when you add in now an interrupted pre-season he's even more likely to miss games and/or put in those low scores.
My point was that generally his standard deviation is low for a defender. Half of his games (inc. finals) he went between 80-100. I'll do a quick compare with some of the other defenders available this year.

Malceski - Standard deviation of 19.4. No surprise that here because he was the best defender in 2014. I don't expect him to back up those numbers this year, but will be pleasantly surprised if he does.

Simpson - Standard deviation of 32. A scatter gun of very high and pretty average scores. 3 scores of 60 or lower.

Burgoyne - Standard deviation of 15. Old reliable head. Didn't go low or high too often, just delivered. None below 70.

Smith - Standard deviation of 29.3. A breakout year, good against the weak, worse against the poor. 8 below 80.

Hibberd - Standard deviation of 17.7. We know this bloke is consistent. A few injury effected scores, the a lot between 90-100.

Hodge - Standard deviation of 22.6. Captain courageous combined crap with brilliant. Prone to a red vest head injury. 4 below 70.

Shaw - Standard deviation of 29.6. Some big scores, combined with 2 scores below 35.

Gibson - Standard deviation of 26.5. Spike year.

Jaensch - Standard deviation of 25.1. Breakout with some injuries.

Hurn - Standard deviation of 29.8. Injury games through him around.

Duffield - Standard deviation of 25.2. Dockers defenders are all over the place.

Enright - Standard deviation of 18.2. Has been a rock for many years.

Birchall - Standard deviation of 20.5.


In order that gives us:
1. Burgoyne
Hibberd
Enright
Malceski
5. Birchall
Hodge
Jaensch
Duffield
Gibson
Smith
Shaw
Hurn
13. Simpson

Almost every good defender has some low scores when they are tagged out of the game from the back pocket, when they are forced to defend, or when they get injured or suspended. I find it easy to fixate on certain areas of a players stats to justify selection, but at the end of the day, if you are selecting the player for round 1 and aiming for the highest overall score, standard deviation does not matter. You are buying all of there good scores, all of there bad, and everything in between. Simpson is the perfect example of why not picking a high standard deviation player from the start can be a double edged sword. The wait for his bad games and buy him cheap approach would have seen us not get his 110 average leading into the byes, and then waiting for his bad games, you could have bought him and netted an 80 average for the rest of the year. Buddy showed why it can be good, dropping as low as 390k in the first half of the year, and going on to average 120 for the rest of the year.

I agree that waiting is the right option if he doesn't get any NAB cup games or practice games, but ruling out a starter based on standard deviation is not always a good call. For starters, it is always better to estimate how many games they will play and what the average will be for that player come years end. Waiting for those injury/dirt games can mean a lot of lost points.
 
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I agree that waiting is the right option if he doesn't get any NAB cup games or practice games, but ruling out a started based on standard deviation is not always a good call. For starters, it is always better to estimate how many games they will play and what the average will be for that player come years end. Waiting for those injury/dirt games can mean a lot of lost points.
Great analysis there BTW. I must have hit a passion point for you on Birchall.

I agree in principle with the bolded bit. I don't know if Birchall gives enough really big games that mean if you wait you miss out. Although I do remember one year where a lot of us missed a very hot early run only to get him around the byes where he gave us a 5 or something with an injury and gone for 6 weeks.

Simpson is a great example of the conundrum. Really all the defenders are as you have shown.

I only made mention of the SD in Birch's case as a bit of a throwaway just to try to say that he throws up low scores when fully fit, let alone backing off an interrupted pre season.

I think of your list, Hurn and Birchall are the two that seem to draw us in the most and I am now sure why we get drawn to them over the others. I think it's because they are great to watch when on song and you know that if the planets align on a day they can give 150. Whereas planets aligning for Enright or Hibberd is more like 120. Yet when you look at their career SC averages they aren't really standing out from the others. Mostly hovering around 90.

Anyway, how did you do that analysis so quickly? I'm impressed.
 
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I must have hit a passion point for you on Birchall.
Yeah I like to pretend that a can let the stats guide me, but I was passionate because I had done my research on Birchall and he was in my side.

As for the quick turn around on analysis, I am at work AKA doing SC research and on supercoachscores.
 
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Twitter saying The Teen Wolf has pinged a hammy? Anyone confirm? Fyfe never been under consideration for me but I've seen him in a few teams.
 
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Twitter saying The Teen Wolf has pinged a hammy? Anyone confirm? Fyfe never been under consideration for me but I've seen him in a few teams.

FREMANTLE will be sweating on the fitness of Nat Fyfe after the star midfielder left the training track with an apparent hamstring issue.
The Dockers were completing a match simulation drill at the end of a gruelling two-and-a-half-hour session at Fremantle Oval on Friday morning.
Fyfe stretched to take a mark on the lead and pulled up gingerly after going back to take his kick.
The drill was coincidentally stopped at that moment for a drinks break and Fyfe went straight to the rooms with the physio trailing in behind.
He did not return as the squad resumed the simulation for another 10 minutes before the session ended.
The 2014 AFLPA MVP has had an injury-interrupted pre-season with shoulder surgery in November last year limiting his output.
 
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He's a no starter for me. Same byes as others and a couple of injuries to boot.

Hopefully he is fit soon, announced in the squad for Rd 1 and then handed the green vest for the first 2 games :p
 
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Docker Fyfe suffers minor hamstring strain
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February 13, 2015 9:55PM
STAR Fremantle midfielder Nat Fyfe sent a scare through the Dockers camp when he left the training field on Friday with a left hamstring issue.

THERE is good news for Dockers fans, though, with the club revealing the injury is only a minor one.

"It appears to be only a minor hamstring strain," general manager of football operations Chris Bond said.
"He will undergo the normal rehabilitation program for a minor strain."
Fyfe, the 2014 All-Australian, reportedly pulled up gingerly after stretching for a mark during match simulation training.
Fyfe's pre-season was already disrupted after he injured his shoulder last November while preparing for Australia's International Rules clash with Ireland.
 

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Brisbane's Ryan Harwood and Jono Freeman will both to miss up to 12 weeks following surgery.
 

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With Harwood and Hanley missing, what does this do for Adcock?
I don't think anything changes for Adcock. He is the experienced head, the backline General. Brisbane tried to have Goldby play the defence lockdown role early last season but that didn't work out. He also seemed to reliquish the kick out duties, so a return to that role may help his scoring. If he can be freed up a little with 2nd and 3rd year players taking the lockdown roles then he may return to former production. As of now my burns from 2014 have not healed sufficiently to be in my side in 2015.
 
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I don't think anything changes for Adcock. He is the experienced head, the backline General. Brisbane tried to have Goldby play the defence lockdown role early last season but that didn't work out. He also seemed to reliquish the kick out duties, so a return to that role may help his scoring. If he can be freed up a little with 2nd and 3rd year players taking the lockdown roles then he may return to former production. As of now my burns from 2014 have not healed sufficiently to be in my side in 2015.
Thanks for the response. I was just reading into Rowsus' post on Adcock's scoring increase without Hanley in the side and thought there may be a similar trend without Harwood in the team.

Just from a quick look at Adcock's scoring without Harwood in 2014 shows that in games without Harwood he average 84.5. He also average 74 when Harwood was in the side. Over a 10 point difference in scoring from that sample size.

In games without both Hanley and Harwood, Adcock averaged 99.5 from 2 games.

Maybe some value there after all.
 
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Interesting stuff on Beau Waters in today's Sunday Times... Doesn't seem to be as bad as was feared during the week...


"And scans have cleared injury-ravaged hard nut Beau Waters of any damage to his rebuilt shoulder with the 2006 premiership veteran still on track to resume playing in next month’s NAB summer series.

Waters, 28, reported to Eagles medical staff with pain in his right shoulder on Monday after heavy training through the week before.

He had an cortisone injection under a local anaesthetic and as a precautionary measure was withdrawn from travelling to the Eagles community camp in the state’s northwest.

Waters has not played since July 2013 and suffered complications last year with his reconstructed shoulder when a serious infection forced surgeons to remove plates and screws designed to strengthen and support soft tissue around the joint.

It is understood his shoulder joint is stable and the half-back is tipped to resume training before then end of this month."



So he still may play in the NAB cup.
 
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Interesting stuff on Beau Waters in today's Sunday Times... Doesn't seem to be as bad as was feared during the week...

So he still may play in the NAB cup.
Pity he can't play in the WCE v Indigenous All Stars game next Friday night, he'd be in the right place... Medibank Stadium
 
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Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF 3m3 minutes ago

Petracca knee injury at training today? Trying to chase up with Melbourne to see the extent. Fingers crossed. #AFL
 

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Brett Anderson ‏@BrettAndersonIF 3m3 minutes ago

Petracca knee injury at training today? Trying to chase up with Melbourne to see the extent. Fingers crossed. #AFL
I have everything crossed that it's not serious.
 
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I have everything crossed that it's not serious.
Yeah same mate, hopefully he is ok.
Jeez MS is annoying, does he really think any news won't get out until then?

"Mark Stevens ‏@Stevo7AFL 3m3 minutes ago

Can confirm all the talk re Petracca. Landed awkwardly on knee .. Only @7NewsMelbourne cameras there as he limped off .. All over it for 6pm"
 
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