Opinion Player X vs Player Y

[Deeman1]

D.Martin vs J.Selwood at m5
I think chopsticks went and answered this question for me! ...wish i had a nickname like chopsticks

Selwood for me, even before the chopsticks incident.

Selwood has demonstrated that he can average 115+ on multiple occasions over a season, Martin is yet to do that and to be honest I can see it happening.

 

[Jurn Stern]

D.Martin vs J.Selwood at m5
I think chopsticks went and answered this question for me! ...wish i had a nickname like chopsticks

It's all good Chopsticks, we'll give you that nickname.

 

[Rowsus]

How is Martin underpriced? He will start around 600k!

As for Goldy, 2015 is the first year that he has been the highest scoring ruckman. I think it's just as likely he'll average below 110 as above.

He'll most likely be the lone ruck for Bris in '16. He split the load in half a dozen games with Leuey last season, so if you take those numbers into account I see him as possibly underpriced. If I have time Ill pull the stats up!

Stefan Martin
Rucked alone in Rnds: 3, 4, 5, 19, 20, 23 - 95, 140, 125, 112, 119, 159 - Ave 125 - It should be noted however, his opposition in those games were: Rich, WC, GC, GC, Carl, WBull - so while his 140 against NicNat/Lycett was a good score, all the others were against opposition that were easy for Rucks to score big against, His 159 in the last game came on the back of 32 disposals and 50 Hitouts against a Jordan Roughead/Jack Redpath combination. While he has had 32 disposals twice before in his career (8 x 25+ Disposal games in his 94 game career), the 50 Hitouts was a career best by 10! We need to be careful when looking at his stand alone figures, because they are a little inflated.
Leuey played in Rnds 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 - *Martin did not play
Leuey only had 2 games where he was below 83% TOG, and they were 29% (Rnd 18), 68% (Rnd10) - he averaged 20 Hitouts/game, but only averaged 15 Hitouts/game when playing with Martin.
Martin averaged 106 in the 12 games he played with Leuey
Rucked with West in Rnds 21, 22 (West TOG/Houts - 65%/11, 44/1)
Martin averaged 96 in the 2 games he played with West

My conclusion is, he looks a very good pick, but is probably about his right price.

 

[sven_inc]

How is Martin underpriced? He will start around 600k!

As for Goldy, 2015 is the first year that he has been the highest scoring ruckman. I think it's just as likely he'll average below 110 as above.

Just a quick look at the stats:

Martin has played 20 games without Leuey in 2014/2015 (including one game Leuey was subbed early in the 1st).

His scores are as follows:
112
102
95
133
89
100
130
117
105
135
119

95
140
120
135
112
119
108
84
159

That's 2309 @ 116

Slightly underpriced

 

[sven_inc]

Stefan Martin
Rucked alone in Rnds: 3, 4, 5, 19, 20, 23 - 95, 140, 125, 112, 119, 159 - Ave 125 - It should be noted however, his opposition in those games were: Rich, WC, GC, GC, Carl, WBull - so while his 140 against NicNat/Lycett was a good score, all the others were against opposition that were easy for Rucks to score big against, His 159 in the last game came on the back of 32 disposals and 50 Hitouts against a Jordan Roughead/Jack Redpath combination. While he has had 32 disposals twice before in his career (8 x 25+ Disposal games in his 94 game career), the 50 Hitouts was a career best by 10! We need to be careful when looking at his stand alone figures, because they are a little inflated.
Leuey played in Rnds 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 - *Martin did not play
Leuey only had 2 games where he was below 83% TOG, and they were 29% (Rnd 18), 68% (Rnd10) - he averaged 20 Hitouts/game, but only averaged 15 Hitouts/game when playing with Martin.
Martin averaged 106 in the 12 games he played with Leuey
Rucked with West in Rnds 21, 22 (West TOG/Houts - 65%/11, 44/1)
Martin averaged 96 in the 2 games he played with West

My conclusion is, he looks a very good pick, but is probably about his right price.

Forgive me mate, I didnt realise you posted on the same topic. Should have read the rest of the thread before commiting!

 

[Jurn Stern]

Stefan Martin
Rucked alone in Rnds: 3, 4, 5, 19, 20, 23 - 95, 140, 125, 112, 119, 159 - Ave 125 - It should be noted however, his opposition in those games were: Rich, WC, GC, GC, Carl, WBull - so while his 140 against NicNat/Lycett was a good score, all the others were against opposition that were easy for Rucks to score big against, His 159 in the last game came on the back of 32 disposals and 50 Hitouts against a Jordan Roughead/Jack Redpath combination. While he has had 32 disposals twice before in his career (8 x 25+ Disposal games in his 94 game career), the 50 Hitouts was a career best by 10! We need to be careful when looking at his stand alone figures, because they are a little inflated.
Leuey played in Rnds 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 - *Martin did not play
Leuey only had 2 games where he was below 83% TOG, and they were 29% (Rnd 18), 68% (Rnd10) - he averaged 20 Hitouts/game, but only averaged 15 Hitouts/game when playing with Martin.
Martin averaged 106 in the 12 games he played with Leuey
Rucked with West in Rnds 21, 22 (West TOG/Houts - 65%/11, 44/1)
Martin averaged 96 in the 2 games he played with West

My conclusion is, he looks a very good pick, but is probably about his right price.

Fair enough. I think most clubs are a good chance of playing two ruckman, or at least a second ruckman that plays more ruck time than in 2015. It would surprise me if Trent West doesn't play 16 or so games. He played the first 10 in 2014 before doing his ACL. I know Martin wasn't playing at the beginning of 2014, but I'd be surprised if West wasn't in there best 22.

I know I'm the only one that seems to be thinking it, but I think the changes to the sub rule will negatively effect ruckman and to a less degree the top midfielders.

 

[Junior Wölf]

Rance vs McVeigh/Houli type player

 

[Jurn Stern]

Rance vs McVeigh/Houli type player

McVeigh clearly over the other two. Both Houli and Rance recorded their best seasons to date, and I think both will have a slight correction in 2016 to below 90.

 

[Jurn Stern]

McVeigh clearly over the other two. Both Houli and Rance recorded their best seasons to date, and I think both will have a slight correction in 2016 to below 90.

Speaking of which, do we see R.Griffen getting DPP status like in AFL fantasy?

 

[Deeman1]

Speaking of which, do we see R.Griffen getting DPP status like in AFL fantasy?

Having suffered through carrying him as a midfielder last year, he seemed to be playing everywhere, so I guess he is a fair chance to gain Def/Mid DPP.

Whether that makes him a justifiable selection as a D/M is a totally different question and not one that I have the answer too, but after suffering last year, I would have to see a good improvement for me to select him even if a D/M in 2016.

 

[Erich1036]

Speaking of which, do we see R.Griffen getting DPP status like in AFL fantasy?

A lot of people seem to think so. I've seen comments such as "he played the last half of the year in defence, surely he'll be DEF" but I looked into it and that's certainly not the case. From memory he played around something like 5-6 games in a row as a half back in the second half of the year, (and here's what most people don't realize) before reverting back to a pure mid for the last few games of the season, with him accumulating large amounts of clearances and contested possessions in these games. Given Nick Dal Santo didn't get DEF status in 2015, and with Griffen playing what I think was a similar amount of time in defence this year, I'm going to say it's unlikely but definitely not impossible nonetheless.

 

[Junior Wölf]

Wines vs Treloar

Barlow vs Bennell

 

[Johnsy44]

Wines vs Treloar

Barlow vs Bennell

Treloar, i think he will star at collingwood and will avoid the tag with the likes of pendels and swan around him.

tough one, Bennell could go either way. Barlow is the safer option, both will get some midfield time. Currently i have both in my starting lineup

 

[Junior Wölf]

Treloar, i think he will star at collingwood and will avoid the tag with the likes of pendels and swan around him.

tough one, Bennell could go either way. Barlow is the safer option, both will get some midfield time. Currently i have both in my starting lineup

Both Bennell and Barlow are very tempting but with the likely inclusion on Fyfe, having 3 top dockers is very dangerous with Ross Lyon. Even with the week off before finals.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Stef Martin v Nic Nat

 

[Darkie]

Stef Martin v Nic Nat

Just checked this - my sense was NicNat, and I'm sticking with him. NicNat is more durable, cheaper and has a lot of potential TOG upside.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Fyfe vs. Ablett

Ablett vs. Pendlebury

Fyfe vs. Pendlebury

Interested to know what SCS members think

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Fyfe vs. Ablett

Ablett vs. Pendlebury

Fyfe vs. Pendlebury

Interested to know what SCS members think

Ablett, Ablett, Fyfe

 

[Prochard]

Fyfe vs. Ablett

Ablett vs. Pendlebury

Fyfe vs. Pendlebury

Interested to know what SCS members think

Ablett
Ablett
Fyfe

Think i'll start with all 3 tho.

 

[Johnsy44]

Z Merret Vs S Gray Vs T Greene