Opinion Rate My Team (Team Picker Only)

[I am Cursed :(]

Lots of ruck discussions. I'm quietly hoping Dan Currie has a big NAB cup so that I can start him as one of my rucks. He averaged something like 100 in the 2014 pre season if memory serves before injuring his thumb and missing the season proper. Nicholls is so injury prone I don't think it would take much for him to be in their best 22. Clubs recruit fringe players for a reason!

 

[Hondo]

I'm of the belief that not starting an premium rucks is the right call this year. I'm seeing Goldy at sub 600k round 5-6, and Jacobs about 500k (maybe lower) round 6-8. Given from then I see these two guys being the highest scoring rucks from then onwards, I'll save myself a few 100k, while making money on Lobbe's easy draw.

Ruck planning will be a key differentiator this season.

So you have to commit to 2 ruck upgrades by R8 from two mid priced picks rather than genuine upgrades?

 

[I am Cursed :(]

So you have to commit to 2 ruck upgrades by R8 from two mid priced picks rather than genuine upgrades?

Assuming Lobbe doesn't have a 100 point average and sit there as a keeper, given he will be their #1 ruck all year.

 

[THCLT]

So you have to commit to 2 ruck upgrades by R8 from two mid priced picks rather than genuine upgrades?

Those teams taking the 'cheaper' rucks alternative will (hopefully ) be 1-2 premiums up elsewhere so they won't necessarily be behind with regards to completing their team.

The only valid question becomes: Points given up in the Rucks versus Points gained by extra Premiums elsewhere.

 

[Hondo]

Those teams taking the 'cheaper' rucks alternative will (hopefully ) be 1-2 premiums up elsewhere so they won't necessarily be behind with regards to completing their team.

The only valid question becomes: Points given up in the Rucks versus Points gained by extra Premiums elsewhere.

I don't mind taking one punt in the ruck but my feeling is Goldy to start and just lock him away and take say a Lobbe R2. Picking two Lobbe's and hoping everything falls your way feels like you are committing up front to lots of work sorting out your rucks while others grab fallen premiums on other lines.

 

[Hondo]

Assuming Lobbe doesn't have a 100 point average and sit there as a keeper, given he will be their #1 ruck all year.

As said just then I don't mind say Lobbe alongside a set and forget. The strategy would be great if one of the mid priced picks does a Maric 2012. At least you only have to focus on getting Goldy.

 

[jaca]

My feeling:

I get the "lock goldy away" thing, but Goldy is the one premo ruck who is/feels massively overvalued. EVERYONE in the game is cheaper than him - including GAJ, Fyfe, Danger, Pendes, etc. who i would expect to score AT LEAST level with Goldy.

I think if you do the Lobbe+Premo approach, you have to be picking your future R2, with Goldy as an upgrade target.

 

[I am Cursed :(]

Those teams taking the 'cheaper' rucks alternative will (hopefully ) be 1-2 premiums up elsewhere so they won't necessarily be behind with regards to completing their team.

The only valid question becomes: Points given up in the Rucks versus Points gained by extra Premiums elsewhere.

No, the more pertinent question is will you actually be giving up points in the ruck at all? There have been a lot of ruck changes in the off season which could see a lot of guys significantly improve their output.

- Lobbe is back to being the #1 ruck at Port. Averaged 100.71 from 21 games in 2014 before Ryder moved to Port.
- Zac Smith was recruited to be the #1 ruck at the cats. He has averaged ~ 75 across his career which isn't great, but he has achieved this in a foundation club. As we know, ruck scores are impacted HEAVILY by what happens after the tap. A hitout is worth 0, a hitout to advantage is worth 5. Last year he was rucking to an injury depleted side and before that to a team in its infancy. He will be rucking to the likes of Dangerfield, Selwood, Duncan, Caddy so we should see some improvement purely because of the class of players around him.
- Kreuzer averaged 92 (2012) and 97 (2013) before two injury riddled seasons in 2014 (1 game) and 2015 (13 games)
- Mumford $100k cheaper that Goldy, $20k cheaper than Martin and has averaged 105, 114, 92, 91, 112 the past 5 years. Injury is always a concern with such a crash and bash player, but if you get on him early he is capable of some monster scores.
- Callum Sinclair largely unknown how his scores will be impacted due to a lack of data. He only played one game last year without Nic Nat and it was vs Sandilands where he scored a respectable 76. He will be rucking to a classier midfield and will be attending a lot more center bounces as their #1 ruck.

 

[Jurn Stern]

So you have to commit to 2 ruck upgrades by R8 from two mid priced picks rather than genuine upgrades?

I see myself being upgrades ahead in other lines, and that one of my starting rucks won't be traded out, but swung fwd as a fwd keeper/ruck coverage. So for me it'll be a genuine upgrade using forward rookies and swinging a ruck into my forward line to get Goldy, then a "when the time is right" trade from Lobbe to Jacobs or any other ruck.

I upgraded to Jacobs in 2015. He started the first 5 rounds with an average of 90 (which is expect Lobbe to top) and had dropped over 100k by round 7. Given Adelaide's draw, it wouldn't be beyond belief that Jacobs was sub 500k come round 7-8-9. That will coincided with S.Martin being at the lowest price he'll be for the year too (Brisbane start with 3 tough, 4 middle, and 1 easier game).

 

[incog43]

Any comments would be appreciated.

 

[THCLT]

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Any comments would be appreciated.

Pretty decent setup and team but just a few observations:

* Don't understand the logic behind starting McVeigh in the MID
* You have 2 R/F rookies, maybe change one to a FWD rookie for cash generation
* Unless you're running close to the salary cap limit, your current rookie 'placeholders' are not a very attractive bunch

 

[I am Cursed :(]

Pretty decent setup and team but just a few observations:

* Don't understand the logic behind starting McVeigh in the MID
* You have 2 R/F rookies, maybe change one to a FWD rookie for cash generation
* Unless you're running close to the salary cap limit, your current rookie 'placeholders' are not a very attractive bunch

I agree on McVeigh. In general if you are picking D/M or F/M then they should always be in the D or F positions. There are plenty of straight midfielders who will score better than the straight forwards or straight defenders.

If you don't have a playing R/F you may as well scrap both of the rookies. The only benefit you have now is the floating donut, but if you want two floating donuts you are better off doing it with a D/M or a F/M for greater flexibility. Having said that I believe Mason Cox is a chance to string a few games together this season, so if you want a F/R I think he is a good option.

I pay no attention to people's rookies unless they have done something dumb like pick all $100k rookie listed players. Until the NAB cup rolls around, we are all guessing anyway.

 

[Hondo]

My feeling:

I get the "lock goldy away" thing, but Goldy is the one premo ruck who is/feels massively overvalued. EVERYONE in the game is cheaper than him - including GAJ, Fyfe, Danger, Pendes, etc. who i would expect to score AT LEAST level with Goldy.

I think if you do the Lobbe+Premo approach, you have to be picking your future R2, with Goldy as an upgrade target.

I take your point

My feeling is Goldy is unlikely not to be a top 2-3 ruck but the who will join him in the top 2-3 is much harder to predict. This will be costly for you if your non-Goldy pick ends up being the 10th best ruck. If you snag 2014 Jacobs then you are laughing.

My feeling is NicNat is overvalued as well and just as likely to drop $90K as Goldy. Martin I am not sure on, I'd have to look at his early draw.

Remember they will likely all drop in price by virtue of the MN dropping once prices start changing.

 

[IDIG]

I take your point

My feeling is Goldy is unlikely not to be a top 2-3 ruck but the who will join him in the top 2-3 is much harder to predict. This will be costly for you if your non-Goldy pick ends up being the 10th best ruck. If you snag 2014 Jacobs then you are laughing.

My feeling is NicNat is overvalued as well and just as likely to drop $90K as Goldy. Martin I am not sure on, I'd have to look at his early draw.

Remember they will likely all drop in price by virtue of the MN dropping once prices start changing.

Big call but not without merit i suppose. It really feels like we'll get about 5 finish in the 105-115 range so even if you don't get the top 2 i don't think there'll be a great points difference so you won't lose out that much.

No doubt Goldy is overpriced and if he doesn't manage a 115 average then you've probably made a mistake starting him. The only concern for me is what if his 130 average is here to stay...and that is now at the level he can score at (with the new scoring system). Not having him last year but in particular him being a POD against my failed Maric pick highlighted how important it is to get the top shelfers. It was pretty much the difference between an ok finish for me and a good one.

I'm on him with the confidence he is a certainty not to be a negative POD

 

[I am Cursed :(]

Big call but not without merit i suppose. It really feels like we'll get about 5 finish in the 105-115 range so even if you don't get the top 2 i don't think there'll be a great points difference so you won't lose out that much.

No doubt Goldy is overpriced and if he doesn't manage a 115 average then you've probably made a mistake starting him. The only concern for me is what if his 130 average is here to stay...and that is now at the level he can score at (with the new scoring system). Not having him last year but in particular him being a POD against my failed Maric pick highlighted how important it is to get the top shelfers. It was pretty much the difference between an ok finish for me and a good one.

I'm on him with the confidence he is a certainty not to be a negative POD

Am I reading this correctly? You didn't have Goldy last year, but you are going to start him this year? I think Goldstein is on the fast track to becoming your most hated player lol.

 

[IDIG]

Am I reading this correctly? You didn't have Goldy last year, but you are going to start him this year? I think Goldstein is on the fast track to becoming your most hated player lol.

Haha no one could ever take that title from Lumumba although i probably have myself to blame there.

Similar to how Hondo described, i tried to predict a value-ish pick that would make the jump last year and failed miserably. Don't think i could that to myself again.

I'll probably do it in the backline with the confidence that even if i get it wrong, the points lost won't be at the level of Maric v Goldy...i hope.

 

[t.thomas6]

Forget Whitecross, he won't play close to 22 games.

B.Smith I think wont come out the blocks. Adelaide have a really tough draw early and that wont help him. I am worried for his confidence since he played scared of headknocks all last year. He will probably dominate nab and no doubt will be popular.

Fyfe isn't going to play nab... we learnt the hard way with Ablett last year if he is rushed back in.

Lobbe wont be a top 5 ruck, he will be lucky to average 95. The guy was dropped to the SANFL last year. For an extra 200k more you get much more security and scoring.

Buddy is a pain to have because he loves missing games here and there. He hasn't played 20+ games since 2009.

If Wells has any problems in pre season then **** him off asap. played 2 games last year and 9 the year before.

I'd also get 1 or 2 fwd/mid rookies in the midfield so you have the luxury of swapping them if needed during the season.

Hey manyproblems. Thanks for the feedback.

Whitecross is pretty much a Cross lol. Any other suggestions for D5?

With Smith, not too concerned if he comes out a bit slow, he's VERY undervalued so might wait and see how he goes and how he's played this year.

Fyfe can always become someone like a Danger, Hanners, etc (something in that mould)

Lobbe will be my stepping stone to Goldy. Being the lone ruck, I reckon we'll see his scores increase...maybe not top 5...but maybe 6

Buddy - still not 100% sold on him, might just see how he goes. Who would you pick instead?

hi thomas

i dont mind your team structure. a bit like last year there is a bit of value in the defence if you can find the right players. i think smith and malceski for me are a bit of risk but those players are wait and see in the nab cup..

midfield i quite like it. it is very strong. obviously if fyfe is not 100% you can change him like a hannes

rucks are quite strong. it seems you will grab goldie once or if lobbe goes up in price which is a smart move

fwds: wells is a huge risk which could pay off. franklin is a risk in some ways. row identified that his first half of the year is a lot better than his second half. i would consider trading him if he scores start to go south. i dont mind the harvey move. i am considering putting him in my side. he might do ok.

overall pretty good team and structure

Thanks Adrenaline. I reckon there's some value in defence and (at the moment) I'm happy to see how both go and make a trade if required.

Boomer was picked due to his durability. No chance to be subbed haha. He's a freak who should play every game and score very solidly. Still a gun at the ripe old age of 90

 

[Hondo]

Big call but not without merit i suppose. It really feels like we'll get about 5 finish in the 105-115 range so even if you don't get the top 2 i don't think there'll be a great points difference so you won't lose out that much.

No doubt Goldy is overpriced and if he doesn't manage a 115 average then you've probably made a mistake starting him. The only concern for me is what if his 130 average is here to stay...and that is now at the level he can score at (with the new scoring system). Not having him last year but in particular him being a POD against my failed Maric pick highlighted how important it is to get the top shelfers. It was pretty much the difference between an ok finish for me and a good one.

I'm on him with the confidence he is a certainty not to be a negative POD

As people can probably tell at this stage although I have not settled a lot of my team my instinct is to set and forget with Goldy and then go the value R2 as the punt. Lobbe appeals. My team picker that I haven't looked at in a while seemed to tell me with other value around the place that Goldy IN was not compromising things anywhere else. This may change as I get fully into it.

I haven't yet seen a no-Goldy team that doesn't appear to have a fairly easy $100K extraction out to get Goldy into R1. Be it Wells F5 or some mid-priced selection. Maybe I simply am not looking hard enough Maybe I just am stuck on him and naturally view any side with Goldy in it as better.

Who knows, come R1 I could have done a complete about face on this one.

 

[manyproblems]

Hey manyproblems. Thanks for the feedback.

Whitecross is pretty much a Cross lol. Any other suggestions for D5?

Buddy - still not 100% sold on him, might just see how he goes. Who would you pick instead?

For D5, we might have to wait for nab/r1.

Tom Lynch from GC is also 470k, a lot are predicting him to go bananas this year since he will have his midfield back to give him more supply. With Dixon gone the ball will come to him more.

 

[t.thomas6]

For D5, we might have to wait for nab/r1.

Tom Lynch from GC is also 470k, a lot are predicting him to go bananas this year since he will have his midfield back to give him more supply. With Dixon gone the ball will come to him more.

Hmm...interesting one. Didn't think of him.

Cheers