Opinion Mid-Price Madness: It's a fine line between pleasure and pain
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Same. Also people starting too think way too much with the minson talk. We almost beat and should have beaten freo with jong rucking ***. If he take after his dad more than his mum and his knee is fine then he will he winning his own ball and tackling like crazy. He will be motivated like all hell.
The trouble will come if he is like many others and need a good 12 months of footy to truly get over the reco and trust his own body.
The trouble will come if he is like many others and need a good 12 months of footy to truly get over the reco and trust his own body.
Jacobs 39 hitouts to Will Minson 26, but Adelaide 26 clearances to Bullies 46! Jacobs 81 supercoach points to Minson 96 supercoach points. Minson, Bont and Wallis all had 7 clearances, Danger only had 4.
Minson might not get back to a 114 average but he and the midfield group might be like a tagger in the rucks this year stopping opposition rucks from scoring well. Add them to Haw, Syd, PA and Rich who don't have great rucks but are good at stopping the opposition ruckman.
Edit: Jacobs starts against NM, PA, Rich, Syd, Haw, Freo, WB, Gee. Geelong were the worst clearance team in the AFL last year but if Z Smith and Danger help them improve this year Jacobs might average 80 for the first 8 rounds and be priced at $450K!
Minson might not get back to a 114 average but he and the midfield group might be like a tagger in the rucks this year stopping opposition rucks from scoring well. Add them to Haw, Syd, PA and Rich who don't have great rucks but are good at stopping the opposition ruckman.
Edit: Jacobs starts against NM, PA, Rich, Syd, Haw, Freo, WB, Gee. Geelong were the worst clearance team in the AFL last year but if Z Smith and Danger help them improve this year Jacobs might average 80 for the first 8 rounds and be priced at $450K!
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He only misses out on the 275k-350k bracket by $1,100 so he might as well be in it.
He only misses out on the 275k-350k bracket by $1,100 so he might as well be in it.
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Very good point.
You are trying to get the most points, for the least money spent. If there was a better option for less money, obviously we would go with that. I don't think there are too many rookie priced defenders who will be averaging 80-95, which makes guys like Lonergan and Sheridan very relevant.
You are trying to get the most points, for the least money spent. If there was a better option for less money, obviously we would go with that. I don't think there are too many rookie priced defenders who will be averaging 80-95, which makes guys like Lonergan and Sheridan very relevant.
9 players across the three years averaged above 80 in the $275-350K bracket. Two in the nineties, whilst of the seven others one averaged 85 and the remainder in the low 80s. So even the 80-85 range is difficult to achieve, but we do have to fill our sides with 30 players and they can't all be safe premiums and job secure rookies in this season's landscape. Which makes for a more interesting game in many respects.
I was having a very quick look at stats.
In 2014 Guthrie was around $320K at the start of the year. He averaged 88 in his first 9 games.
At the end of round 10 he was practically a straight swap to Pearce Hanley who averaged 115 from rounds 11-23.
So with $320K and 1 trade you got a DEF who played 22 games at an average of 103.5.
I know this would be a perfect outcome (especially considering Guthrie was actually averaging more than Hanley at the end of round 10) but it shows the potential a mid-pricer can produce.
I am not a fan of the mid-pricer strategy and would agree that 95% of the time it doesnt work but if you are able to nail it (like the example above) it is a good strategy. I would be more picking a mid-pricer hoping he does well for the first say 10 games, rather than for a full 22.
In 2014 Guthrie was around $320K at the start of the year. He averaged 88 in his first 9 games.
At the end of round 10 he was practically a straight swap to Pearce Hanley who averaged 115 from rounds 11-23.
So with $320K and 1 trade you got a DEF who played 22 games at an average of 103.5.
I know this would be a perfect outcome (especially considering Guthrie was actually averaging more than Hanley at the end of round 10) but it shows the potential a mid-pricer can produce.
I am not a fan of the mid-pricer strategy and would agree that 95% of the time it doesnt work but if you are able to nail it (like the example above) it is a good strategy. I would be more picking a mid-pricer hoping he does well for the first say 10 games, rather than for a full 22.
Exactly
I see them as a means to an end, the end being a really slick final team with all the big guns. If a Sheridan/Eski type allows me to lock in an extra big gun to start and/or avoid a 50ppg on field rookie then that's a win I think. Not every player we pick in our $10m can be our ideal player for that spot as captain obvious tells us. Gotta compromise and take a punt somewhere.
It's all relative and it's not all about every individual player in your starting team ending up "top X on their line" particularly when you are talking D4.
I see them as a means to an end, the end being a really slick final team with all the big guns. If a Sheridan/Eski type allows me to lock in an extra big gun to start and/or avoid a 50ppg on field rookie then that's a win I think. Not every player we pick in our $10m can be our ideal player for that spot as captain obvious tells us. Gotta compromise and take a punt somewhere.
It's all relative and it's not all about every individual player in your starting team ending up "top X on their line" particularly when you are talking D4.
I reckon it's more of a viable stratagy in defence where the gap between the top and the middle is a bit less average wise and as such i'm still considering Seedsman. I reckon he'll get a speedy Def-Wing-Linkman type roll which that could be just SC friendly to average something approaching 90. This as a early round points vs starting dollars spent is probably acceptable even though you'll probably want to be upgrading him later in the season. Also looks like a lack of decent rookies in defence makes your mid pricers more viable
If that plan works and your mid-pricer scores as well as you hope they do by the byes, you'll have a pretty good idea who the performing premiums are (e.g. in DEF) which will make that upgrade a little easier. Worst case scenario, you don't need to trade them out and can use them as say a D6 or D6-D7 and potentially loophole them (this strategy worked quite well for me last year but in a different set of circumstances (Oxley was part of that merry-go-round)