Opinion Tom Liberatore - Keeper, Cash Cow or M9

[Jordan]

Whats everyone's thoughts on Tom Liberatore?
Will he score at a keeper level?
Will he make enough money to be a good cash cow?
What is everyone predicting he will average?
As pointed out by Klo http://www.supercoachscores.com/threads/2799-Mid-Price-Madness-It-s-a-fine-line-between-pleasure-and-pain Libba has to score at 105 to be considered a good cash cow, is 105 enough for a MID keeper?

Good to get everyone's thoughts

 

[Zim^zuM]

Possibly, only trouble is sometimes a knee reco player needs to play for 12 months before they get back into gear properly. But he is a libba, if anyone can bounce straight back it's him.

I'm picking him thinking he will be a stepping stone knowing he will be my M8 because I will constantly have bigger issues to deal with

 

[Maso]

Whats everyone's thoughts on Tom Liberatore?
Will he score at a keeper level?
Will he make enough money to be a good cash cow?
What is everyone predicting he will average?
As pointed out by Klo http://www.supercoachscores.com/threads/2799-Mid-Price-Madness-It-s-a-fine-line-between-pleasure-and-pain Libba has to score at 105 to be considered a good cash cow, is 105 enough for a MID keeper?

Good to get everyone's thoughts

I think he will be good to have leading up to the byes and if hes going under the 110 mark then he might have to be upgraded to a pendlebury/fyfe type

 

[t.thomas6]

In that Dogs side, I can see him averaging at least 105 (even post knee reco). His dad was a stubborn bast@rd who would give his all and Libba Jnr strikes me as a similar breed. Currently my M5 and hoping he turns into a keeper (maybe M8).

 

[Deeman1]

I think he will be good to have leading up to the byes and if hes going under the 110 mark then he might have to be upgraded to a pendlebury/fyfe type

I see, him as a good value selection, but have taken him out in the last day or so in favour of a 5-6 midfield.

I also personally think that if he goes at around the 110 mark, he would probably not get upgraded as I agree with Zim^zum above more than likely I will have bigger problems to deal with than Liber at M8 averaging around the 110 mark

 

[Ben's Beasts]

If he plays round 1 then he is locked for me.

Just too good value to pass up at only $357,300.

If I had to guess I would say he will average 105 - 107 which is fine for an M8/M9

 

[I am Cursed :(]

Like everyone he's a wait and see prospect in the NAB cup. If you are selecting him as a keeper, $357k is a bargain. That's the camp I'm in. I have had Libba in the past and he is a Supercoach beast. Unless I see something really unexpected in the NAB cup, I'm picking him as a $357k fallen premium who I expect to be there in round 23.

If you are picking him as a cash cow it's a bit more complex. Libba has to average 105 to return the same $ as a $117k rookie averaging 60. Assuming they hit that target, you are banking an extra 45 points per week with Libba. So the only question for you is - where is the other $240k going?

If you think the $240k will net you 45 points elsewhere in your team and give you a better structure, go for it. If you are doing it to upgrade Martin (let's say he averages 105) to Goldstein (115) and Lewis (105) to Pendles (115) it's probably not worth it. The names might look better on paper but you are actually 25 points behind per week.

Rough numbers, but you get the gist!

 

[Bomber18]

I am leaning towards avoiding him.

Doggies have Freo and Hawks in the first three games.
Players returning from ACLs generally start slow before gaining fitness.
I think he won't average 105 due to lesser points in the pie at the Doggies (Picken, Macrae, Bont, Wallis, Boyd, Dahlhaus) They can't all average 100+! [famous last words re: Tom Mitchell last year #nightmares]

My out will be a corrective trade if he kills it and one of my "breakout candidates" Zerrett/Greene/Tippett/Wines aren't firing. But I am avoiding at this stage.

This is all pre: NAB performances however; if he puts in a few strong games, I'll probably jump back on.

 

[Grimmo87]

He's really young and he did his ACL in week 1 of the nab last year so it'll be 13 months since he did it when round 1 rolls around, I can't see him starting poorly enough to go down in value, and I can't see him not making us 100k at worst, so I don't really see him as having much of a downside. I think it's more risky not picking him.

 

[dicksilverman]

stepping stone for me

 

[Philzsay]

Must admit I keep flip flopping on Libba. On one hand he is great value, a no brainer value wise. On the flip side coming off a knee reco I see him more likely being a Top 15 to 25 mid as opposed to a top 10 mid and are concerned I may get stuck with him instead of getting a top 10 mid into my side.

Anyway he will continue to come in and out of my side as I juggle it around.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Must admit I keep flip flopping on Libba. On one hand he is great value, a no brainer value wise. On the flip side coming off a knee reco I see him more likely being a Top 15 to 25 mid as opposed to a top 10 mid and are concerned I may get stuck with him instead of getting a top 10 mid into my side.

Anyway he will continue to come in and out of my side as I juggle it around.

I'm feeling the same, mate.

I guess the key thing to remember is that once we have our 8 or 9 midfield keepers, some will be top 10, some top 20 and there will probably be one or two that are even top 30. If Libba ends up being a top 15 - 25 mid averaging around 105 at M8/M9 then I think that would be an ok result. Looking at the mids available this year there are only 19 of them that went 105+ last year.

One part of the Libba dilemma that is worrying me is that he could end up starting slowly and then work his way into form once he gets a few games under his belt. Some will be tempted to turf him if say, after the first 5 rounds he is averaging 95, only to have him hit his straps and average 110 for the remainder of the season. It would be similar to what happened with some people and Newnes last year (including me).

 

[jaca]

If I pick Libba (him being injured aside) I will ride with him for most (all) of the season.

 

[I am Cursed :(]

I'm feeling the same, mate.

I guess the key thing to remember is that once we have our 8 or 9 midfield keepers, some will be top 10, some top 20 and there will probably be one or two that are even top 30. If Libba ends up being a top 15 - 25 mid averaging around 105 at M8/M9 then I think that would be an ok result. Looking at the mids available this year there are only 19 of them that went 105+ last year.

One part of the Libba dilemma that is worrying me is that he could end up starting slowly and then work his way into form once he gets a few games under his belt. Some will be tempted to turf him if say, after the first 5 rounds he is averaging 95, only to have him hit his straps and average 110 for the remainder of the season. It would be similar to what happened with some people and Newnes last year (including me).

And dumping Newnes so that I could keep Lumumba because he had a higher ceiling. I still wake up with cold sweats.

Right now I think it's safer to include him than to leave him out. If he tanks, we are all stuffed... He's going to be one of the most picked players, so you won't be alone in pulling your hair out. He also won't tank worse than the rookie who would take his place if you went the other way. If he performs well enough to be a keeper you save a trade and bank the points.

 

[Hondo]

The Newnes example is a good one. (Brag) I held on last year and he proved to be a good pick just needed the patience. Libba would be the same.

Note I held onto Lumumba as well eventually culled him over the byes

This is the mid-price pick dilemma. They give you the jitters each week. You can tolerate jitters with rookies much easier.

 

[Dynamo]

The Newnes example is a good one. (Brag) I held on last year and he proved to be a good pick just needed the patience. Libba would be the same.

Note I held onto Lumumba as well eventually culled him over the byes

This is the mid-price pick dilemma. They give you the jitters each week. You can tolerate jitters with rookies much easier.

I held both as well, kept Lumumba till the end hoping that he would provide some cover, he could not even do that.

 

[dicksilverman]

stepping stone for me

don't know why i said this, think i was drunk. he's a keeper!

 

[Bomber18]

I am leaning towards avoiding him.

Doggies have Freo and Hawks in the first three games.
Players returning from ACLs generally start slow before gaining fitness.
I think he won't average 105 due to lesser points in the pie at the Doggies (Picken, Macrae, Bont, Wallis, Boyd, Dahlhaus) They can't all average 100+! [famous last words re: Tom Mitchell last year #nightmares]

My out will be a corrective trade if he kills it and one of my "breakout candidates" Zerrett/Greene/Tippett/Wines aren't firing. But I am avoiding at this stage.

This is all pre: NAB performances however; if he puts in a few strong games, I'll probably jump back on.

My position early was against Libba. You'd think with a performance of 41 SC I'd be right off him, but I'm still 50/50.
He provides a bit of stability in the midfield due to our lack of rookie options this season. I'm wondering whether there are better cashcow options over him. Assuming you have all the obvious options, are the likes of Menzel, B.Crouch, Simpkin, Crowley more likely to make $150-200k? I'm not so sure.

At the moment, I still think he could make $150k at some point in the season as he has a very high ceiling so I will be starting him.
From Round 7-13 in 2014 he went on a run where he averaged 137! I don't think he'll go that ballistic this season, but if he builds fitness and goes on a run of 120-125 for 6 weeks, he should make around $150-200k and hopefully can be traded out around byes.

EDIT: Just did some salary predictions. If Libba averages 85 for the first 7 rounds and then averages 115 for the next 6 rounds, he'll be at 532k with a rise of 175k for a total average of 98 over 13 rounds. I don't think that's the worst result for an investment of 66 ppg.

 

[IDIG]

If I pick Libba (him being injured aside) I will ride with him for most (all) of the season.

This would be my approach if i was starting him (im 50/50). Not sure he'll be the 110+ beast everyone is hoping for but barring a disaster, he should be one of the last upgraded.

I don't think you can go in with a plan to trade/not trade him, it's a situational thing with trades in hand the main consideration.

 

[Zimmer]

This would be my approach if i was starting him (im 50/50). Not sure he'll be the 110+ beast everyone is hoping for but barring a disaster, he should be one of the last upgraded.

I don't think you can go in with a plan to trade/not trade him, it's a situational thing with trades in hand the main consideration.

Ideally it would be great to have him at M9. Perfect cover for the last part of the year.