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Which mid pricers/JLT bolters will you be starting?

  • Tuohy

    Votes: 11 11.7%
  • Mills

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Bob Murphy

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Beams

    Votes: 80 85.1%
  • Marc Murphy

    Votes: 4 4.3%
  • Watson

    Votes: 6 6.4%
  • O'Meara

    Votes: 44 46.8%
  • Swallow

    Votes: 29 30.9%
  • Sandilands

    Votes: 80 85.1%
  • Witts

    Votes: 34 36.2%
  • Ryder

    Votes: 10 10.6%
  • Roughead

    Votes: 41 43.6%
  • Higgins

    Votes: 11 11.7%
  • Wingard

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Billings

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nankervis

    Votes: 54 57.4%
  • Steele

    Votes: 28 29.8%
  • Petracca

    Votes: 2 2.1%

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DEF: Adams, HH, McGrath, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Hibberd)
MID: Pendlebury, GAJ, Rockliff, Selwood, Fyfe, Beams, Murphy, Swallow (Myers, SPP, Graham)
RUC: Gawn, Sandilands (Witts)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Heeney, Ryder, Bennell, McCluggage, Knight (Pickett, Strnadica)
Strongly dislike the 2 premum defence backline. I mean no offense but why?

There're so many good defence options this year and MANY you can bank on averaging 95+ while playing 21-22 games. We're blessed with so many viable defence options this game so take advantage of it.

Like your midfield.

We have the same starting rucks but I don't have Witts, however I can see Witts working out.

Don't like your forward line options. Dalhause Bennell have reasons for selection. Heeney is becoming a more and more obvious trap. Ryder with his extremely tough early draw for rucks and round 9 bye is a clear upgrade target.

Overall good work, still early days.
 
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Good team. Just wondering what you think Burton will average? Keefe looks like having good job security for $100k less.
I know he's young, but I honestly think Burton will get a real massive go of it across half Back. Hawks love him that's why he was given 5. Just looks like he's gonna be a player. Risk for sure... But I'm hoping 80s
 
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Strongly dislike the 2 premum defence backline. I mean no offense but why?

There're so many good defence options this year and MANY you can bank on averaging 95+ while playing 21-22 games. We're blessed with so many viable defence options this game so take advantage of it.

Like your midfield.

We have the same starting rucks but I don't have Witts, however I can see Witts working out.

Don't like your forward line options. Dalhause Bennell have reasons for selection. Heeney is becoming a more and more obvious trap. Ryder with his extremely tough early draw for rucks and round 9 bye is a clear upgrade target.

Overall good work, still early days.
all the good rookies are in the backline so why not take advantage of it?

hampton,hibberd,evw,newman and stewart are just some of the good back rookies where are all the forward rookies?
 
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laird-mcdonald-burton-hampton-hibberd-evw.newman and stewart

danger-pendles-treloar-bont-fyfe-mitchell-selwood-swallow.spp-barrett and fisher

gawn and hickey preuss

dahlhaus-acres-martin-taranto-mcluggage-knight.galucci and rioli
 
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all the good rookies are in the backline so why not take advantage of it?

hampton,hibberd,evw,newman and stewart are just some of the good back rookies where are all the forward rookies?
From what I've seen Hibberd and EVW are unlikely to be picked round 1. Newman is also a strong chance to miss out.

On the other hand Hampton and Stewart (Shaky) are good.

From the forward line, William Rioli, Jarrod Pickett, Jack Bowes, Brett Eddy, William Hayward, Shai Bolton, James Stewart, Riley Knight, Cameron Mccarthy, Foote, Hoskin Elliot, Long are all cash making players with VERY good job security.

Then you have your Hibberd/EVW level of rookies: Galluci, Durdin, Black, Florent, Ainsworth, Thomas, Broomhead

Compare that with Hampton, Ryan, Stewart and possibly Cox/Scharenberg from defence.

It's clear that the forward line rookies AT LEAST matches the defence rookies if not surpasses it greatly.

For your information I currently have 2 M/F rookies in my midfield. These rookies might not average 70+ and make you 250k, but they have good enough job security to at least average 60 and make you 150k. In a line where the premium options are so scarce, I'm not asking more.
 
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From what I've seen Hibberd and EVW are unlikely to be picked round 1. Newman is also a strong chance to miss out.

On the other hand Hampton and Stewart (Shaky) are good.

From the forward line, William Rioli, Jarrod Pickett, Jack Bowes, Brett Eddy, William Hayward, Shai Bolton, James Stewart, Riley Knight, Cameron Mccarthy, Foote, Hoskin Elliot, Long are all cash making players with VERY good job security.

Then you have your Hibberd/EVW level of rookies: Galluci, Durdin, Black, Florent, Ainsworth, Thomas, Broomhead

Compare that with Hampton, Ryan, Stewart and possibly Cox/Scharenberg from defence.

It's clear that the forward line rookies AT LEAST matches the defence rookies if not surpasses it greatly.

For your information I currently have 2 M/F rookies in my midfield. These rookies might not average 70+ and make you 250k, but they have good enough job security to at least average 60 and make you 150k. In a line where the premium options are so scarce, I'm not asking more.
from what i have seen hibberd and evw have been going well :confused: have heard newman hurt his shoulder but nothing serious dont agree that stewart is shaky

of the forward rookies you posted only knight has good money generation and maybe bowes but has j/s issueswhere as all the rest are are tall or small forwards with poor cash generation you would only pick eddy and rioli from the list who would only be there as donut avoiders
 
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Hi All

First draft , if anyone would be so kind to have a look would be greatly appreciated.

B : Shaw , McDonlad , Hodge , Murphy , McGrath , Keefe

M: Danger , Pendles , Sloane , Fyfe , Beams , Taranto , McCluggage , Myers

R: Grundy , Sandilands

F : St Nick , Dahlhaus , Macrae , Roughy , McCarthy , Knight

Bench is all $123,900.00 x 8

McGrath , Taranto , McCluggage all as place holders until the Rookies show themselves

Thanks and good luck
 
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from what i have seen hibberd and evw have been going well :confused: have heard newman hurt his shoulder but nothing serious dont agree that stewart is shaky

of the forward rookies you posted only knight has good money generation and maybe bowes but has j/s issueswhere as all the rest are are tall or small forwards with poor cash generation you would only pick eddy and rioli from the list who would only be there as donut avoiders
The only ones from that list who may struggle to may 150k are Hoskin Elliot, Pickett, Eddy, Mccarthy and stewart. Players like Stewart(Geelong) EVW(North) really aren't better than the ones I mentioned. I don't think either Stewart or EVM plays an offensive role and will likely resort to locking down opposition forwards mostly at this stage, especially EVM. Where does your confidence in these guys to make more cash than someone like Mccluggage, Bowes, Hayward, Bolton, Knight come from?

You seem to have really overestimated the average required for a basement priced to make 150k. Especially for forwards like Eddy and Rioli, all they need is a bag of 2-3 and a dozen or so possessions in 1 or 2 games to inflate their prices over 250k.
 
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From what I've seen Hibberd and EVW are unlikely to be picked round 1. Newman is also a strong chance to miss out.

On the other hand Hampton and Stewart (Shaky) are good.

From the forward line, William Rioli, Jarrod Pickett, Jack Bowes, Brett Eddy, William Hayward, Shai Bolton, James Stewart, Riley Knight, Cameron Mccarthy, Foote, Hoskin Elliot, Long are all cash making players with VERY good job security.

Then you have your Hibberd/EVW level of rookies: Galluci, Durdin, Black, Florent, Ainsworth, Thomas, Broomhead

Compare that with Hampton, Ryan, Stewart and possibly Cox/Scharenberg from defence.

It's clear that the forward line rookies AT LEAST matches the defence rookies if not surpasses it greatly.

For your information I currently have 2 M/F rookies in my midfield. These rookies might not average 70+ and make you 250k, but they have good enough job security to at least average 60 and make you 150k. In a line where the premium options are so scarce, I'm not asking more.
from what i have seen hibberd and evw have been going well :confused: have heard newman hurt his shoulder but nothing serious dont agree that stewart is shaky

of the forward rookies you posted only knight has good money generation and maybe bowes but has j/s issueswhere as all the rest are are tall or small forwards with poor cash generation you would only pick eddy and rioli from the list who would only be there as donut avoiders
The only ones from that list who may struggle to may 150k are Hoskin Elliot, Pickett, Eddy, Mccarthy and stewart. Players like Stewart(Geelong) EVW(North) really aren't better than the ones I mentioned. I don't think either Stewart or EVM plays an offensive role and will likely resort to locking down opposition forwards mostly at this stage, especially EVM. Where does your confidence in these guys to make more cash than someone like Mccluggage, Bowes, Hayward, Bolton, Knight come from?

You seem to have really overestimated the average required for a basement priced to make 150k. Especially for forwards like Eddy and Rioli, all they need is a bag of 2-3 and a dozen or so possessions in 1 or 2 games to inflate their prices over 250k.
I think it's a bit premature to be assessing the scoring potential and cash generation of rookies without any preseason indicators. Personally think the defensive guys like EVW/Newman have spots there for the taking with good JLT showings. Much rather a basement defensive guy than a $200k guy up forward.
 
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The only ones from that list who may struggle to may 150k are Hoskin Elliot, Pickett, Eddy, Mccarthy and stewart. Players like Stewart(Geelong) EVW(North) really aren't better than the ones I mentioned. I don't think either Stewart or EVM plays an offensive role and will likely resort to locking down opposition forwards mostly at this stage, especially EVM. Where does your confidence in these guys to make more cash than someone like Mccluggage, Bowes, Hayward, Bolton, Knight come from?

You seem to have really overestimated the average required for a basement priced to make 150k. Especially for forwards like Eddy and Rioli, all they need is a bag of 2-3 and a dozen or so possessions in 1 or 2 games to inflate their prices over 250k.
stewart and evw are offensive half backs not lockdown types

i never said anything about them making more money than mcluggage and knight i said they would make more money than the tall and small forwards you mentioned and bolton will more than likely be a downgrader same with hayward and bowes

and on eddy and rioli it takes alot more than what you mentioned for them to make 250k
 
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First cut. No mid price madness this year. Last year I got stuck with both Sheridan and Lonergan for half the season, and my choice to start Ward over Ablett was an absolute disaster. This year I have adopted a more traditional GNR strategy. The guys in the $350-500 bracket are proven performers on the comeback trail so SHOULD represent fairly little risk. Defense is a bit thin and I hated having Ryder in 2015 but overall I think it's a pretty solid first draft.

I'm aware I don't have Gawn and that could change, particularly with the removal of 3rd man up. I think Grundy represents great value at $520k. He had a slow start to 2016 but came home strong with an average of 107 across the last 10 rounds. Entering his 6th season, and I hate to say it but we all know rucks take the longest to develop.

Have at it!
 
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stewart and evw are offensive half backs not lockdown types

i never said anything about them making more money than mcluggage and knight i said they would make more money than the tall and small forwards you mentioned and bolton will more than likely be a downgrader same with hayward and bowes

and on eddy and rioli it takes alot more than what you mentioned for them to make 250k
On the last point I don't think Papley got over $250K all season or at least in the first half and that was despite two 100s to start

They need those two big scores in a row once they have already crawled up to $220K. Getting that first $100K is not that hard as they only need to average ~ 55.
 
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First cut. No mid price madness this year. Last year I got stuck with both Sheridan and Lonergan for half the season, and my choice to start Ward over Ablett was an absolute disaster. This year I have adopted a more traditional GNR strategy. The guys in the $350-500 bracket are proven performers on the comeback trail so SHOULD represent fairly little risk. Defense is a bit thin and I hated having Ryder in 2015 but overall I think it's a pretty solid first draft.

I'm aware I don't have Gawn and that could change, particularly with the removal of 3rd man up. I think Grundy represents great value at $520k. He had a slow start to 2016 but came home strong with an average of 107 across the last 10 rounds. Entering his 6th season, and I hate to say it but we all know rucks take the longest to develop.

Have at it!
Solid first draft, it does appear you have gone looking for value which may have given you an extra "keeper" or two. I think there is so much unknown about a few players you've selected and it would make me nervous picking more than 2 or 3 of them.

- Rockliff is 50/50 for me at this stage. We know can beast it up (averaged 125 from round 15 to 23 last season), but he's 50k more expensive than last seasons start price and we know how that worked out. He's in under 10% of teams, i think if he was that 50k cheaper he'd be in a lot more (like last year).
- Cripps in only 5% of teams is a real POD, especially since he's never gone 110+ and is still very young.
- Heppell hasn't played in a year and has also never gone 110+. Very difficult for me to pick him without seeing him in action in the pre-season games.
- Beams is too injury prone for my liking and his game count reflects that.
- Sandilands is similar to Beams. I don't think i can select both with confidence, so out of the 2 i have gone Sandilands because he's 130k cheaper and represents less danger IMO.
- Heeney i had in my team just a few days ago, however seeing the Swans injury list makes him a "wait and see" as his role my be affected by those injuries.
- Ryder is much like Heppell, too much unknown after having a year away from AFL level.
- Roughead is very interesting and is likely in some teams based on their heart. He's in 31% of teams and at 367k he does represent value, however being out of the game for a full season diminishes that value IMO. I put him in the same bracket as Heppell and Ryder.


Personally i would go 1 up and 1 down from Cripps, Heppell and Beams. Also 1 up and 1 down from Heeney, Ryder and Roughead. This should also give you enough cash for 1 up in defense if you've played your cards right.
 
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this as gnr as i can possibly go

doc-laird-mcdonald-hampton-hibberd-evw.newman and stewart

danger-pendles-treloar-bont-fyfe-mitchell-spp-myers.fisher,ronke,bayok

gawn-hickey-mcinerney

dahlhaus-acres-martin-burton-mcluggage-knight.gallucci and eddy


only have 6700 left hate having to resort to having so many properly priced rookie list players and a floating donut in bayok(who is the best m/f floating donut right?)
 
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this as gnr as i can possibly go

doc-laird-mcdonald-hampton-hibberd-evw.newman and stewart

danger-pendles-treloar-bont-fyfe-mitchell-spp-myers.fisher,ronke,bayok

gawn-hickey-mcinerney

dahlhaus-acres-martin-burton-mcluggage-knight.gallucci and eddy


only have 6700 left hate having to resort to having so many properly priced rookie list players and a floating donut in bayok(who is the best m/f floating donut right?)
Think that you may be 1 or 2 risks too many in the forward line. Would rather see a one up one down of Martin/Burton and turn one into Macrae and the other a rookie. Hickey is a good pick, one that I reckon will be explored more as the pre-season goes on. Team structure is good, but forward line leaves you one genuine premium short imo, and if all 3 risks bust your season is basically cooked.
 
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i did what you suggested and now i have macrae and long in for martin and burton and now have 36500 left :D
 
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Alright, think this is my final team before JLT. 24.6 left.
Montagna, Rance, Laird, Vince, Scharenberg, Hampton (EVV, Hibberd)
Danger, Pendles, JPK, Bont, Fyfe, Swallow, SPP, Myers (Berry, Pickett, Graham)
Goldstein, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Macrae, Roughy, McCarthy, McCluggage, Knight (Eddy, McKay)

Bye structure is 3/10/6/11 which is where I want it.
 

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First cut. No mid price madness this year. Last year I got stuck with both Sheridan and Lonergan for half the season, and my choice to start Ward over Ablett was an absolute disaster. This year I have adopted a more traditional GNR strategy. The guys in the $350-500 bracket are proven performers on the comeback trail so SHOULD represent fairly little risk. Defense is a bit thin and I hated having Ryder in 2015 but overall I think it's a pretty solid first draft.

I'm aware I don't have Gawn and that could change, particularly with the removal of 3rd man up. I think Grundy represents great value at $520k. He had a slow start to 2016 but came home strong with an average of 107 across the last 10 rounds. Entering his 6th season, and I hate to say it but we all know rucks take the longest to develop.

Have at it!
This team has caught my attention as it looks strong and has a similar(ish) structure to what I am piecing together, however, I have a couple of concerns. Given your record is better than mine, I thought I would share, as I may walking the wrong path.

The first thing I noticed was that 9 of your 15 non rookie priced players either didn't play last year due to suspension or illness, had an injury interrupted season, or are having interrupted pre seasons. I have 4 of those players, and I am concerned that may be pushing my luck a bit much. Individually they all could prove to be great picks, but as a group I feel you are setting yourself up to be feeling 'cursed' during the season when a couple go down.

Putting those concerns aside, I like your backs structure - I am also going 3-0-6 at this stage. Interestingly I have 3 different premiums, currently Shaw, Rance, & Laird. I think it is a sign how different all the backlines may be this year when even two teams with same structure are completely different!

Your midfield looks strong, but I am not a Beams fan as I see too much risk for reward at his price. I like the Heppell pick though - he has been in and out of my team. Currently out, as I have a 5-0-6 structure, but I would love to get him into M6 as a bit of a POD risk there if I could find the funds.

Your rucks look good. I like Grundy, but I am personally only looking at Gawn or Goldy to pair with Sandy because their buy suits my team better.

I don't like the Ryder pick. Only because the Ruc/Fwd position lets me down every year and I am definitely not going there this year (I hope!). I currently have Roughy too as he looks value, but he is my last man picked, and his place will depend on pre season form. I think until we see pre season rookie form, you can go with two rookies on field in your draft team.

If I had your team and had to make 3 changes, (for better or worse :p) I would:
1. Downgrade Ryder to a rookie
2. Use funds to upgrade Beams to a proven reliable super premium.
3. Use remaining funds to either turn Roughie into a less risky forward or turn Grundy into Gawn or Goldie.
 
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