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I'm not the best at maths, but I was wondering if any of the many on this site who were could figure out or estimate how many people are starting both Swallow and JOM?

JOM at 52%
Swallow at 37%

If it's not even possible, nevermind this post!
37% of 52% is 19.24%, so that's the (very basic) mathematical answer. That relies on them being independent from each other, which of course they're not. Based on teams on SCS, I think a lot of people are going one or the other, so it might be considerably lower. My hunch is that the non-SCS world is not so midpricerphobic and teams with both will be more common. I suspect it'll be in that 15-20% range though.
 
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SuperCoach AFL 2017: Champion Data reveals must-read SuperCoach intel before Round 1
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March 20, 2017 8:00pm
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WHETHER you’re fine-tuning a thoroughly researched line-up or sitting down to pick a team for the first time, you can’t miss this vital intel from Champion Data.

The AFL’s stats gurus who built the unique SuperCoach scoring system have put a magnifying glass over the pre-season competition and unearthed gems from every team.
ADELAIDE CROWS

Curtly Hampton ($160,000, Def) – TICK

The Crows have lacked genuine speed out of stoppage since the departure of Patrick Dangerfield, but they may have found someone with a similar trait. Hampton has been handed a midfield role and has attended 51% of all centre bounces – ranked third at the club.

Rory Laird ($526,800, Def) – TICK

Laird is close to a must-have defender, especially after ranking second for disposals per game among defenders in 2016. He led the entire competition for disposals across the JLT Community Series and was also thrown into the midfield at times, attending 19 centre bounces – ranked fifth at the club.

Matt Crouch ($504,600, Mid) – TICK

Crouch has become a key player in Adelaide’s midfield, and he’s only going to get better. An accumulator, he looms as a unique midfield option this season, attending 62% of all centre bounces – the highest percentage of any midfielder at the club. Even with Rory Sloane returning, he’s a decent pick.
Rory Laird is a popular SuperCoach pick in defence. Picture: Roger Wyman
Dayne Beams is amongst the most popular midfield picks. Picture: Claudia Baxter

BRISBANE LIONS

Dayne Beams ($432,500, Mid) – TICK

The entire SuperCoach community will be hoping that Beams enjoys an injury-free season. At a heavily discounted price, we shouldn’t hold our breath, as he has only played more than 20 games twice in his career. Nonetheless, he’s way too hard to ignore after finishing with 15 more disposals than any Lions player in their final match.

Dayne Zorko ($593,000, Mid) – TICK

Despite losing his dual position status, Zorko remains one of the most prolific and consistent scorers in the competition. In 2016, he dropped below 100 points just six times, averaging a career-high 108 points. He has hit the ground running this pre-season, leading the competition for tackles with 28.

Hugh McCluggage ($202,800, Mid-Fwd) – CROSS

Gun draftee McCluggage will miss the season opener through injury. If he’s currently in your side, then you can either trade him out for someone else, or alternatively, keep him until he does. If you decide to hold, then he looms as a viable loophole captain choice.

CARLTON

Patrick Cripps ($585,500, Mid) - ????

A back injury during the pre-season cast some doubt about Cripps’ availability in the early rounds, however, he has played the last two pre-season matches and is set to play in the season opener. In saying that, picking a player with a limited pre-season is a risky proposition, no matter who they are.

Jarrod Pickett ($123,900, Mid-Fwd) – TICK

Pickett crossed from the Giants for more opportunities and he’ll definitely get that at Carlton. He isn’t a known ball-winner, and has struggled to get involved in the past, as his pre-season form has shown. He showed glimpses of his talent against the Dockers, finishing with 12 disposals and three goals straight.

Caleb Marchbank ($236,100, Def) – TICK

Marchbank’s arrival over the summer continued Carlton’s love-affair with the Giants, as he looks to revive his AFL career. He has already shown that he’ll be a fine acquisition in defence, ranking No.1 at the club for intercept possessions and equal No.1 for intercept marks.
Taylor Adams, Adam Treloar and Scott Pendlebury are all popular picks. Picture: Michael Klein

COLLINGWOOD

Adam Treloar ($605,400, Mid) – TICK

Treloar will push Scott Pendlebury all the way this season and is a chance to surpass his skipper as the No.1 scorer at Collingwood. He did just that from Round 17 last season, averaging 116 points to Pendlebury’s 108. Picking Treloar will also give you some salary cap relief.

Brodie Grundy ($520,500, Ruck) – TICK

Grundy finished last season like a steam train, as Max Gawn did the previous year. He’s every chance to emulate Gawn’s feat from last season and is a reasonable price to start with. He hasn’t set the world on fire across the pre-season, recording the second-lowest hitout-to-advantage rate of the top 20 ranked ruckmen.

Will Hoskin-Elliott ($213,300, Fwd) – TICK

Hoskin-Elliott is an opportunist and he has more than shown that across the JLT Community Series, scoring two goals in his opening match. He finished with 19 disposals against the Tigers and was involved in six scoring chains. He is priced nicely and is a near certainty to face the Western Bulldogs.

ESSENDON

Jobe Watson ($453,300, Mid – ????

Watson has plenty of appeal at his starting price, but given he has missed an entire year he’s every chance to succumb to soft tissue injuries, as he has done in the past. He has only played all 22 home-and-away games once in his career, playing 19, 14 and 12 respectively in his three most recent seasons. A risky choice.

Dyson Heppell ($513,300, Mid) - TICK

Unlike Jobe Watson, Heppell’s durability is a major strength and he should be considered for your starting midfield. His ceiling isn’t high, but he’s a consistent scorer, averaging 106 and 105 points in that order in his two most recent seasons. He recorded a career-high contested possession rate of 44 per cent when he last played in 2015.

Andrew McGrath ($211,800, Def-Mid) – CROSS

There’s no doubting the class of McGrath. A chance to debut in Round 1, he has struggled to have a major impact across the JLT Community Series though, recording double-figure disposals in one game. With plenty of cheaper rookie options to choose from, opting for one of them instead would be wise.
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FREMANTLE

Nat Fyfe ($573,500, Mid) - TICK

Fyfe’s selection this season is virtually a no-brainer. For those that forgot just how dominant a player he is, just cast your mind back to his 2015 season, a year in which he scored 120-plus points in 10 of 18 matches. His form over the JLT Community Series has been outstanding, ranking second in the AFL for points per minute.

Aaron Sandilands ($308,200, Ruck) – TICK

The lure of Sandilands is even greater now after overcoming a calf injury to play two pre-season matches. At a ridiculously low price, he recorded the highest hitout win rate of any player across the pre-season. With six of his first nine games at Domain Stadium, he should dominate early.

Cam McCarthy ($203,600, Fwd) – TICK

McCarthy will be to go-to man in Fremantle’s forward-line after the retirement of Matthew Pavlich. He ranked second at the club for inside 50 targets and disposals in that zone across the pre-season, also ranking second for scoreboard impact. With job security assured, he’s a safe option to start with.

GEELONG

Patrick Dangerfield ($716,900, Mid) – TICK

Dangerfield was the go-to man for the captain’s armband last season, racking up 120-plus points in 15 games – five more than any other player in the AFL. Nothing will change in 2017. He collected 20 first half disposals against Essendon and finished the match with 38 disposals and 139 points.

Tom Stewart ($117,300, Def) - TICK

With Harry Taylor switched into attack, the Cats are likely to use mature-age draftee Stewart in his defensive post. With a preference to spoil, he led the Cats for spoils across the JLT Community Series, but ranked a lowly ninth for intercept possessions. He’s a nice bench player to start with.

Zach Tuohy ($443,200, Def) - TICK

Tuohy has slotted nicely into Geelong’s defence, taking over from the role of Corey Enright, ranking No.1 in the competition for uncontested possessions and ranking second for disposals across the JLT Community Series. He’s as durable as they come, playing 90 games in succession – the fourth-longest streak in the AFL.
Zach Tuohy has slotted in nicely at Geelong. Picture: Hamish Blair

GOLD COAST

David Swallow ($280,200, Mid) - TICK

When Swallow last played in 2014, he led the club for tackles and ranked second for disposals and contested possessions. Those numbers alone make a mockery of his starting price, and he’s a must-have to start with. Swallow was afforded more midfield time in his final pre-season match, attending 14 centre bounces.

Gary Ablett ($620,600, Mid) – ????

When it comes to output, there are very few players that rival Ablett. His durability, however, has to be questioned, failing to play past Round 17 in each of the past three seasons. He played his first match of the pre-season against the Bulldogs, finishing with 22 disposals and two goals.

Jarrod Witts ($217,600, Ruck) – TICK

Witts has dislodged Tom Nicholls as the No.1 ruckman at the Suns and is set to lead the line against Brisbane in Round 1. He recorded the seventh-highest hitout-to-advantage rate of any player across the pre-season, but starting him on the ground would be risky. A place on your bench may be the way to go.

GWS GIANTS

Heath Shaw ($576,500, Def) – TICK

Shaw has averaged at least 20 disposals and 90 points in all but one season across his career. He’s the general of the Giants defence, ranking No.1 at the club for defensive half handball-receives last year. He led the AFL for intercept possessions per game across the pre-season and is set for another big year.

Tim Taranto ($207,300, Mid-Fwd) – TICK

Taranto hasn’t missed a beat over the JLT Community Series and is now in the box seat for a Round 1 debut, especially with Stephen Coniglio going down with an ankle injury. Taranto impressed in his final pre-season game, finishing with a team-high 25 pressure acts, as well as amassing 17 disposals.

Shane Mumford ($536,300, Ruck) – CROSS

Despite coming off a career-high 21 games in 2016, Mumford’s selection comes with an element of risk. His poor durability places a massive cross beside his name, so if he’s currently in your side, I would look to move him on. A swap for Brodie Grundy is the most viable option.

HAWTHORN

Jaeger O’Meara ($318,900, Mid) – TICK

The Hawks have placed plenty of eggs in the O’Meara basket, and it could pay off handsomely. He has shown his qualities already in the JLT Community Series, finishing with 27 disposals against Port Adelaide. He attended 52 per cent of all centre bounces across the pre-season, ranked second at the club.

Jarryd Roughead ($367,100, Fwd) – TICK

After missing the entire 2016 season, Roughead has come back with a bang. He has continued to play the dual role of a forward/centre bounce midfielder, ranking fifth at the club for centre bounces attendances across the pre-season. Roughead has averaged at least 94 points in each of his past four seasons.

Luke Hodge ($481,300, Def) – CROSS

Hodge’s fantasy worth has nose-dived after losing dual position status, plus he’s will miss Round 1 through a club suspension. His disposals and points per game also dipped last year, and given his age, he’s likely to be managed across the season. Sydney’s Dane Rampe or Jake Lloyd are far better propositions.

MELBOURNE

Max Gawn ($645,000, Ruck) – TICK

Only Dean Cox has backed up as the No.1 scoring ruckman to improve his output the following year, which was over a decade ago. What does this mean for Gawn? Based on history, he’s unlikely to surpass his average of 118 points, but that doesn’t make him a bad choice. He remains the No.1 ruck option for 2017.

Michael Hibberd ($402,200, Def) – CROSS

Hibberd missed the final JLT Community Series match with an Achilles injury and has to be in some doubt for Round 1. He starts the season at a tempting price, but it may be wise to steer clear for now. A move to one of Callum Mills or Zach Tuohy could be the way to go.

Christian Petracca ($395,600, Fwd) – TICK

Petracca has breakout written all over him. He was involved in the second-most scores of any Melbourne player across the pre-season and ranked fourth for hardball-gets. He ranked second for goals with five and recorded seven score assists – three more than any other Demons player.

NORTH MELBOURNE

Ed Vickers-Willis ($123,900, Def) – TICK

Vickers-Willis looks set to play a role in a reformed Kangaroos defence after the retirement of Michael Firrito. He has shown promise during the JLT Community Series, ranking equal-fourth in the competition for intercept possessions. He’s all but assured a start in Round 1 and is a solid rookie choice.

Jamie Macmillan ($438,500, Def) – TICK

Entering his eighth season, there are definite signs that Macmillan could enjoy a career-best year. He ranked equal No.1 in the competition for kick-ins and led the club for effective kicks – recording 11 more than any other Kangaroos’ player. He’s a point of difference worth considering.

Shaun Higgins ($426,400, Fwd) – ????

The Higgins rollercoaster continued last season after he could only manage nine games, his fewest since 2008. His scoring ability has never been in doubt, but his durability has, playing more than 20 games just once across his career – recording less than 10 four times. A risky choice.

PORT ADELAIDE

Patrick Ryder ($418,100, Ruck-Fwd) – TICK

There was genuine excitement at the prospect of having Ryder in our side, but that temporarily dissipated after a poor showing in his first two JLT Community Series matches. He starred in his final match as the sole ruckman against Hawthorn, finishing with 12 disposals, one goal and 10 hitouts-to-advantage.

Sam Powell-Pepper ($135,300, Mid) – TICK

Powell-Pepper, a powerful unit, is every chance to debut against Sydney in Round 1. He attended the second-most centre bounces behind Ollie Wines at the Power across the pre-season, ranking third for both clearances and tackles. One drawback has been his poor discipline, giving away the most free kicks of any player in the AFL.

Brett Eddy ($102,400, Fwd) – TICK

Mature-age rookies are worth their weight in gold in SuperCoach, and we have a gem in Eddy. Upgraded to the senior list and now in line for a Round 1 debut against Sydney, he finished with 15 disposals and 5.4 against Hawthorn in his final match. He led the club for disposals and marks inside 50 as well as scoreboard impact across the pre-season.
Paddy Ryder bounced back to form in the final JLT game. Picture: Sarah Reed

RICHMOND

Toby Nankervis ($366,400, Ruck-Fwd) – TICK

Nankervis’ move to the Tigers could be one of the shrewdest acquisitions in recent seasons. He has grabbed his chance with both hands, ranking No.1 for points per game among all ruckmen across the pre-season, recording the second-highest hit-out-to-advantage rate of any player.

Dan Butler ($123,900, Fwd) – TICK

Butler’s ability to apply forward pressure may be enough to earn him a Round 1 start, ranking third at the club for forward half pressure acts across the pre-season. He also ranked second at the Tigers for disposals inside 50 and overall scoreboard impact behind Jack Riewoldt.

Dion Prestia ($508,700, Mid) - TICK

Prestia ranked fourth at the club for points per minute across the JLT Community Series and looms as a point of difference in the midfield. After enjoying a career-best season in 2014 where he averaged 27 disposals and 106 points, his output has dropped off since, but a move to the Tigers could be just what he needs.

ST KILDA

Jack Steele ($347,100, Mid-Fwd) – TICK

Steele’s stocks continue to grow as he looks to make a name for himself in new colours. Starved of midfield time at the Giants, he looks set to explode as a midfielder at St Kilda. He ranked second in the competition across the JLT Community Series for tackles and points per minute.

Leigh Montagna ($538,100, Def) – CROSS

A calf injury for a player of Montagna’s age should be taken very seriously. He failed to play across the JLT Community Series and he has already been ruled out for Round 1. Opting for Taylor Adams or Rory Laird, who are similarly priced, may be the safest option.

Tom Hickey ($458,100, Ruck) – TICK

If you’re looking for a point of difference in the ruck department, then Hickey could be the man. He dominated in his final pre-season match, finishing with 29 disposals, 18 contested possessions, seven tackles and 11 hit-outs-to-advantage. Based on those numbers alone, I can’t see Billy Longer playing anytime soon.

SYDNEY SWANS

Josh P. Kennedy ($617,100, Mid) – TICK

When you pick Kennedy, you basically know what you get each week. A contested beast, he has averaged 15.3 contested possessions since crossing to the Swans in 2010 – ranked No.1 in the AFL. His pre-season numbers don’t make for good reading, but don’t let that deter you.

Callum Mills ($420,000, Def) – TICK

An injury to Jarred McVeigh should see Mills play in defence during the early rounds. He was earmarked for a move further up the ground after Tom Mitchell’s departure, however, his delivery from the back half is a major strength in his game. Mills led the competition for intercept possessions across the pre-season with 27 in three games.

Isaac Heeney ($433,400, Fwd) – CROSS

The stage was set for Heeney to announce himself as an AFL player in 2017, whetting the appetite of all SuperCoaches in the process. However, a bout of glandular fever has put him on ice indefinitely, so if he’s in your side he must be replaced. A swap to Jack Steele has plenty of merit.

WEST COAST EAGLES

Sam Mitchell ($568,000, Mid) – CROSS

Nothing should change for Mitchell from an output point of view this season, with the exception of his colours. The travel factor, however, could work against selecting him. As a veteran, he’s unlikely to play in every game, so picking Matt Priddis or Luke Shuey may be a better option.

Josh J. Kennedy ($532,200, Fwd) – TICK

Traditionally, selecting a key forward in SuperCoach has been deemed a risky choice, however, Kennedy is one player that could dispel that theory. He looks set for another big season, ranking ninth in the competition for points per minute across the JLT Community Series.

Dom Sheed ($267,400, Mid) – TICK

Sheed is way under-priced this season after what was a shocker of a year in 2016. After suffering a serious pectoral injury, he returned late in the year and struggled, averaging just 49 points. He’s a far better option than a gun rookie, as he has far greater job security.

WESTERN BULLDOGS

Matthew Boyd ($563,900, Def) – CROSS

As a scorer, Boyd is one of the most prominent defenders in the competition. He ranked No.1 in the competition for disposals per game for his position type last season, but missed a couple of games through injury. He’s likely to be managed across the season and given his price, he may not be the wisest investment.

Jack Macrae ($511,700, Mid-Fwd) – TICK

Macrae entered our thoughts this year after he was handed dual position status. A consistent ball-winner last season, he won at least 20 disposals in every match – topping the 30 mark on eight occasions. He should be the first forward picked in your side.

Timothy English ($130,800, Ruck) – TICK

With Jordan Roughead injured, Luke Beveridge may turn to draftee English to play in the early rounds. As a ruckman, he has struggled, which is no surprise given his age, recording the lowest hitout win rate of any player across the pre-season. He should get an opportunity at some stage and is a decent ruck bench option.
 

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Everyone do themselves a favour and move Carlton and Richmond rookies to the bench (if applicable).

Secondly, select your four emergencies so that you don't forget in the haste of seeing teams and the likely occurrence of a slow and/or unresponsive Supercoach site.
 
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Good plan!

My wife is due to give birth soon, my number one concern has obviously been that after months of planning my SC starting side will be at risk :p
 

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Everyone do themselves a favour and move Carlton and Richmond rookies to the bench (if applicable).

Secondly, select your four emergencies so that you don't forget in the haste of seeing teams and the likely occurrence of a slow and/or unresponsive Supercoach site.
Great Advice!

Plus I'd add that every time you make any trades from now on just double check afterwards to make sure all of your emergencies/C/VC are how you want them and the system hasn't randomly altered them on you!
 
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For those planning to play Perfect 9 and / or Footy tips - don't forget to put your selections in place as well :)
 

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...and when you decide to take a VC score by moving a non-player on field, remember to put the E on the player you're taking off the field (if there isn't already a designated E already on the bench) in order to get their score. This infamous strategy is otherwise known as the 'Ben not so clever Manoeuvre'!

Sorry Ben...we're still friends.
 

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...and when you decide to take a VC score by moving a non-player on field, remember to put the E on the player you're taking off the field (if there isn't already a designated E already on the bench) in order to get their score. This infamous strategy is otherwise known as the 'Ben not so clever Manoeuvre'!

Sorry Ben...we're still friends.
I hope that my highly publicised brain fade moment will mean that no others of this wonderful SCS community will EVER do the same!
 
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Everyone do themselves a favour and move Carlton and Richmond rookies to the bench (if applicable).

Secondly, select your four emergencies so that you don't forget in the haste of seeing teams and the likely occurrence of a slow and/or unresponsive Supercoach site.
Great public service announcement Ken.

I was thinking that a "lockout checklist" might make sense so we tick the important considerations off once the rookies drop - especially if there are surprise (non-) selections and we need to restructure.

A couple I thought of:

- Check your bye structure. Not too many from one round, especially premiums (rookies likely mostly traded by round 11). Normal scoring in round 9, so don't load up on too many GC/Port players on one line.

- Check you have the right number of floating donuts.

- Check your main VC/C loophole options can actually be looped (not all from one team, or from your floating donut's team?)

- Check you haven't ruined all your DPP loops unwittingly. Try to keep them paired up and open if you can.

I'm sure there are more. What have I missed?
 
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Note to self - remember to transfer team from excel to SC site tomorrow.
 

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Note to self:

Wednesday - Send Thanh a sms reminding him to transfer his team from excel to the SC site.

Thursday 6:25pm - Send sms to Ross Lyon congratulating him on his epic trolling of SCers by naming Sandilands on the extended bench.
 
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Good plan!

My wife is due to give birth soon, my number one concern has obviously been that after months of planning my SC starting side will be at risk :p
Good plan!

My wife is due to give birth soon, my number one concern has obviously been that after months of planning my SC starting side will be at risk :p
See if she can put it off for a couple weeks so you can get your team settled.






























Just joshin, congrats.
 
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Torn philosophically! Bont + a rookie, knowing I will keep Bont, or a mid price combo, feeling they won't finish in top tier of their line but might be better "value" and have more security as a duo (JOM + Nank, for example).
 
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A gentle reminder... don't destroy your side (and throw out your research) over the next 48 hours!
 
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask this question & it's a pretty silly one (having a brain fade) but once the ball is bounced for the Blues v Tiges game tomorrow night, are we still able to tinker and trade players in and out AS MUCH AS WE LIKE as long as they are not Carlton or Richmond players?

Rucks are really doing my head in, still unsure if going Goldy or Gawn as R1, (am set on Sandilands at R2) or will go the riskier Nankervis route which would obviously have him locked in, therefor not having the possibility of still adding Gawn or Goldy. Sorry again, appreciate any replies.
 
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