Position Rucks Discussion

[Herbie66]

Just had a crazy initial thought for R2 & R3.

Mumford + Longer = $ 581,100

Kreuzer + $ 123,900.00 = $ 556,800.00.

Thoughts

Grundy will be R1

 

[Bomber18]

Just had a crazy initial thought for R2 & R3.

Mumford + Longer = $ 581,100

Kreuzer + $ 123,900.00 = $ 556,800.00.

Thoughts

Grundy will be R1

Hmmm interesting (although most probably have Kreuzer + a 102k ruck). For about $50k more you could grab Longer/Mummy although would lose the loophole at R3. Would work well with a decent Freo FDTP, perhaps Valente.

Mummy’s timing would be good too as Longer has Sandi in R3.

 

[Pieman17]

Just had a crazy initial thought for R2 & R3.

Mumford + Longer = $ 581,100

Kreuzer + $ 123,900.00 = $ 556,800.00.

Thoughts

Grundy will be R1

Seems a waste to me.

Kruezer if fit will average 100-105 imo compared to Mumford/Longer (who ever you choose to may each week) will average around 85-90.

A lot of points to miss out on just for extra cover. Much better cash cows then Mumford/longer on other lines as well

 

[Herbie66]

Hmmm interesting (although most probably have Kreuzer + a 102k ruck). For about $50k more you could grab Longer/Mummy although would lose the loophole at R3. Would work well with a decent Freo FDTP, perhaps Valente.

Mummy’s timing would be good too as Longer has Sandi in R3.

Been focused too much on Big Bash so have not given it a great deal of thought to be honest , so was just having a quick read through the rucks.

Have no idea if we will get a Rookie ruck playing Rd 1 - Rd 2 and a lot seem keen on starting Longer.

So with 3 playing rucks might provide cover if you need it , then trade up during the byes and maybe get a F/R.

Not sure how much $$$ Longer would make.

Mumford if his body is right would expect 90+ , they may rest him every few weeks or for the longer plane trips.

 

[Herbie66]

Seems a waste to me.

Kruezer if fit will average 100-105 imo compared to Mumford/Longer (who ever you choose to may each week) will average around 85-90.

A lot of points to miss out on just for extra cover. Much better cash cows then Mumford/longer on other lines as well

confident Kreuzer will last 22 games then ?

only $ 35,000.00 difference in initial price.

as for cash cows no one has any guarantees at all on rookies until Round 1 teams are named.

 

[pizza safety]

Seems a waste to me.

Kruezer if fit will average 100-105 imo compared to Mumford/Longer (who ever you choose to may each week) will average around 85-90.

A lot of points to miss out on just for extra cover. Much better cash cows then Mumford/longer on other lines as well

Hmm you think that Kreuzer will average 100-105?

2008 20 games, avg 60.0
2009 22 games, avg 79
2010 13 games, avg 82.0
2011 12 games, avg 77.2
2012 20 games, avg 92.3
2013 16 games, avg 97.9
2014 1 game, avg 69.0
2015 13 games, avg 89.3
2016 21 games, avg 73.1
2017 21 games, avg 109.8
2018 12 games, avg 79.8

Turning 30 next year and based on his scoring history I think about 16 games and an 80-90 average is more likely. 2017 looks like a pretty big outlier.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Can’t see the hype around Kreuzer. Only ever once averaged over 100, body is struggling and that’s even better than the team he plays for.....

 

[Pieman17]

Hmm you think that Kreuzer will average 100-105?

2008 20 games, avg 60.0
2009 22 games, avg 79
2010 13 games, avg 82.0
2011 12 games, avg 77.2
2012 20 games, avg 92.3
2013 16 games, avg 97.9
2014 1 game, avg 69.0
2015 13 games, avg 89.3
2016 21 games, avg 73.1
2017 21 games, avg 109.8
2018 12 games, avg 79.8

Turning 30 next year and based on his scoring history I think about 16 games and an 80-90 average is more likely. 2017 looks like a pretty big outlier.

Agree, 100-105 as a best case scenario/successful pick. Same as the averages I set for Mumford/Longer.

I can’t see Mummy pushing much past 80 from around 14/15 games.

 

[pizza safety]

Agree, 100-105 as a best case scenario/successful pick. Same as the averages I set for Mumford/Longer.

I can’t see Mummy pushing much past 80 from around 14/15 games.

Fair enough, I'm with you on Mumford not being a fantastic pick, who knows how he will go at his age and after a year out of the game. I think he has some potential to make some money but given he's such an injury risk you can't expect to keep him. I understand that Krooz had a good year last year and is naturally talented but I feel like he is basically "likely" to get injured or to be playing sore.

 

[Pieman17]

Fair enough, I'm with you on Mumford not being a fantastic pick, who knows how he will go at his age and after a year out of the game. I think he has some potential to make some money but given he's such an injury risk you can't expect to keep him. I understand that Krooz had a good year last year and is naturally talented but I feel like he is basically "likely" to get injured or to be playing sore.

Yeah that’s why I’m leaning towards Gawn and Grundy if no rookies appear (which is unlikely)

 

[pizza safety]

Yeah that’s why I’m leaning towards Gawn and Grundy if no rookies appear (which is unlikely)

I'm just going to go Grundy and Goldstein hoping that Goldy can stay within 10-15 points of Gawn so I can spend that money on the rest of my team. Has the right bye to turn him into Gawn if that becomes a priority and I have enough trades left.

 

[Enderling]

A lot of coaches are looking at Grundy for R1 but there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about R2.
Ideally I'd like to go set-and-forget but I could only really confidently do that with Grundy & Gawn, a combination I, and many others, find too expensive. The other main option is to look for a value R2 that you can turn into the second best Ruck (assuming Grundy is #1)
There are only three possible value R2 options that I can see, none of which I like:
1. Kruezer - probably too expensive to be a stepping stone ruck and a big injury risk
2. Mumford - good price but not available first two rounds and questions on form and fitness
3. Longer - cheap, but he's never shown much, unlikely to earn enough coin and could easily fall out of favour

Another option to consider is playing Westhoff at R2 for awhile and then use a forward stepping-stone player (Greene??... or elsewhere via DPP?) to upgrade to R2 and move Westhoff forward. I guess it would only be a good idea if you thought Westhoff would be a top 8 FWD.
What are other coaches thoughts on the R2 position?

 

[bunlit]

A lot of coaches are looking at Grundy for R1 but there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about R2.
Ideally I'd like to go set-and-forget but I could only really confidently do that with Grundy & Gawn, a combination I, and many others, find too expensive. The other main option is to look for a value R2 that you can turn into the second best Ruck (assuming Grundy is #1)
There are only three possible value R2 options that I can see, none of which I like:
1. Kruezer - probably too expensive to be a stepping stone ruck and a big injury risk
2. Mumford - good price but not available first two rounds and questions on form and fitness
3. Longer - cheap, but he's never shown much, unlikely to earn enough coin and could easily fall out of favour

Another option to consider is playing Westhoff at R2 for awhile and then use a forward stepping-stone player (Greene??... or elsewhere via DPP?) to upgrade to R2 and move Westhoff forward. I guess it would only be a good idea if you thought Westhoff would be a top 8 FWD.
What are other coaches thoughts on the R2 position?

At the moment, R2 Gawn, but Westhoff is tempting with a few handy mid pricers (Greene, B.Smith, Miles, Billings) around the table. In limited trade formats, I prefer set and forget rucks saving a trade or two for the back end.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

He’s probably been discussed already but what are people’s thoughts on Naismith? Could he be a viable R2 option before upgrading him at some stage?

 

[Torress]

He’s probably been discussed already but what are people’s thoughts on Naismith? Could he be a viable R2 option before upgrading him at some stage?

He is a watch for sure. Sinclair was handy for the swans last year so surely they will have a spot for him if Naismith plays.
Rucks and in particular breakout/value rucks can be so hard to pick/anticipate. Like many others no way could i pick a type like Naismith with any confidence at this stage.

 

[Darkie]

A lot of coaches are looking at Grundy for R1 but there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about R2.
Ideally I'd like to go set-and-forget but I could only really confidently do that with Grundy & Gawn, a combination I, and many others, find too expensive. The other main option is to look for a value R2 that you can turn into the second best Ruck (assuming Grundy is #1)
There are only three possible value R2 options that I can see, none of which I like:
1. Kruezer - probably too expensive to be a stepping stone ruck and a big injury risk
2. Mumford - good price but not available first two rounds and questions on form and fitness
3. Longer - cheap, but he's never shown much, unlikely to earn enough coin and could easily fall out of favour

Another option to consider is playing Westhoff at R2 for awhile and then use a forward stepping-stone player (Greene??... or elsewhere via DPP?) to upgrade to R2 and move Westhoff forward. I guess it would only be a good idea if you thought Westhoff would be a top 8 FWD.
What are other coaches thoughts on the R2 position?

It’s an interesting one.

Personally I’m running with Mummy and Westhoff. I agree that you need to see Westhoff as attractive in his own right to use the strategy you mentioned, although his durability, and potential for season long ruck cover, both add points on top of what he directly scores in your side.

Worth flagging that others including Lycett could be used similarly, albeit he’s not as durable (almost noone is!).

 

[randomcliche]

A lot of coaches are looking at Grundy for R1 but there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about R2.
Ideally I'd like to go set-and-forget but I could only really confidently do that with Grundy & Gawn, a combination I, and many others, find too expensive. The other main option is to look for a value R2 that you can turn into the second best Ruck (assuming Grundy is #1)
There are only three possible value R2 options that I can see, none of which I like:
1. Kruezer - probably too expensive to be a stepping stone ruck and a big injury risk
2. Mumford - good price but not available first two rounds and questions on form and fitness
3. Longer - cheap, but he's never shown much, unlikely to earn enough coin and could easily fall out of favour

Another option to consider is playing Westhoff at R2 for awhile and then use a forward stepping-stone player (Greene??... or elsewhere via DPP?) to upgrade to R2 and move Westhoff forward. I guess it would only be a good idea if you thought Westhoff would be a top 8 FWD.
What are other coaches thoughts on the R2 position?

Similar R2 thinking to me to start with. (Extensive post earlier in this thread). Other sig options include Goldy and Nank. So there looks to be plenty of choice for R2.
1. Gawn
2. Goldy
3. Not much love for steph Martin but nothing wrong with the pick
4. Nank
5. Lycett + Mummy or fwd rookie into mummy (round 3-5)
6. I've seen a team with Ryder
7. Kreuzer
8. Mummy & R2 rookie
9. Mummy & Hoff
10. Ruc Rookie into Mummy (round 3-5)
11. Fwd rookie +Hoff into Mummy (round3-5)
13. R2 rookie

Kinda lucky how many options there are for R2.

 

[fjholden]

With no Nic Nat until round 17, any thoughts on Vardy at 306k? Worth a look I reckon and Hickey won't be much competition really

 

[randomcliche]

With no Nic Nat until round 17, any thoughts on Vardy at 306k? Worth a look I reckon and Hickey won't be much competition really

No. In 2017 he averaged 68 in a team with no Nic Nat and only 1 game from Lycett. He's nearly full price.

 

[Dimmawit]

In my opinion nailing a cheap R2 is almost the biggest leg up you can get in the game....barring picking an outstanding 300-400k starting pick that ends up a keeper.

Set and Forget only works if there isnt a Witts 200k type available at R2. If there's any certainty around Zac Clarke getting 5-6 games hes a lock for my R2. at 142k I dont see how you cant have him on field