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Interesting I see a lot of people leaving Walsh out at his starting price (myself included) , yet Rozee & Collins figure prominently at approximately $ 20 k less.

Is it more JS especially with Collins ? rather than $$$ gained.

Lack of defender options or am I completely missing something ?
 
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DEFENDERS

SAM COLLINS | $188,900 | GOLD COAST SUNS | DEF | 158 VFL Cup avg.
Arguably one of the safest rookies to start with, Collins finds himself back in the AFL system after a year in the VFL in which he took the most contested marks ever recorded in the competition. In fact, his season was so complete in the VFL he would have ranked No. 1 in the AFL for SuperCoach points, contested possessions, marks, intercept marks, and intercept possessions among key defenders last year. He’ll no doubt add to the 16 games he played with Fremantle between 2016-2017 and looms as an early cash cow option. Champion Data think that Collins can rival Jeremy McGovern as the best intercept marker in the competition and, based on that alone, it should be enough to lock him firmly into your team.

CHRIS BURGESS | GOLD COAST SUNS | $123,900 | DEF / FWD | 97 VFL avg.
Really puts his hand up here for SuperCoach selection based on his dual-position status alone. Burgess is one of three preselections the Suns were gifted after a grim 2018 season. Burgess will get an opportunity as Stuart Dew cycles through a largely new list of players as the Suns go down the rebuild path. Capable of playing both ends of the ground, Burgess played as a swingman at West Adelaide, averaging 77 SuperCoach points as a defender and 97 SuperCoach points as a forward in the SANFL. Don’t be surprised if he suits up Round 1.

CALLUM WILKIE | $124,900 | ST KILDA | DEF
Coming via pick No. 3 in the rookie draft, Callum Wilkie is another mature age recruit out of the SANFL who is ready-made and looms as an early option for the Saints. Wilkie’s numbers in the SANFL were impressive. The 22-year starred for North Adelaide in 2018 as an intercept defender, clinching the club’s best and fairest award and helping the Roosters win the SANFL premiership. With the plethora of mature-age players the Saints have brought in there will be a squeeze for spots. Wait and see if he’s in Alan Richardson’s early plans.

CONNOR ROZEE | ADELAIDE CROWS | $189,300 | DEF/ FWD | 60 SANFL avg.
A top five selection from last years national draft, don’t be surprised to see Rozee get an early opportunity. There’s not much to him, but his endeavour, attack on the ball, and gut running has been a highlight since he landed at the club. He’s priced towards the top echelon of all rookies, so you’d need to be confident of his output when weighing up his initial outlay versus his potential cash gain.

ISAAC QUAYNOR | COLLINGWOOD | $153,300 | DEF | 90 TAC Cup avg.
A clone of the Bulldogs’ Jason Johannisen if we’ve ever seen one, the impressive Pies’ Academy selection has hit the ground running since being taken at No. 13 in last year’s national draft. Boasting the body and maturity of a fourth or fifth-year player, track watchers at Collingwood have raved about his clean ball use, speed, and confidence on the attack from the backline. It’s a tough team to crack, but Collingwood’s clear lack of rebounding speed and class will allow ‘IQ’ to pledge his case for a Round 1 birth. A bit like Jaidyn Stephenson’s situation last year, we wouldn’t be surprised if this guy played every game. Keep a close watch, but the only reason you wouldn’t pick him is job security reasons.

HARRISON WIGG | GOLD COAST | $102,400
Coming in at a bargain basement price tag, SuperCoaches have been awaiting the debut of Wigg for a number of seasons now. After crossing to Gold Coast at the end of the 2017 season, his 2018 was a write-off after breaking his ankle in the preseason. He’s been back in full training and has put on notable size. His form in the SANFL while still listed on Adelaide’s books was impressive; 25 disposals, five tackles and 98 SuperCoach points per game in the SANFL in 2017 give us hope that Wigg can be one of the best cash-earners of 2019.

JACK SCRIMSHAW | HAWTHORN | $149,800 | DEF
Largely unsighted since initially drafted to the Suns with the seventh selection overall a few years ago, Scrimshaw never looked settled in Queensland and has since made a return to Victoria and will line up for the Hawks as a talent to watch. The Hawks bagged Scrimshaw for not much during the trade period and, given Alastair Clarkson’s track record with young recycled players, Scrimshaw could be one of the most popular rookie selections in SuperCoach this year. He’ll need to press his claim during the JLT Series, but if he puts his hand up, you’re going to want to get on board. If things go pear-shaped, there are a plethora of cheaper options to downgrade to.

JEZ MCLENNAN | GOLD COAST | $117,300 | DEF | 99 SANFL Reserves avg.
Given the predicament the Suns find themselves in, there are a plethora of newcomers to the club who’ll get their chance early in the season, and McLennan is one who could cement a spot early. Drafted from the Under-18’s and ranked by Champion Data as the best intercept-marking halfback in the 2018 National Draft, McLennan has a mature body that could slot into AFL life with ease. He’s a great mark of the ball and is a smart player but he’s not a notable possession-getter. Monitor his opportunities accordingly.

MARTY HORE | MELBOURNE | $117,300 | DEF | 102 VFL avg.
Terrific player with a brilliant kick and a strong intercept game, the former Collingwood VFL-listed rebounder will likely struggle for opportunity early in the season given he sits behind a handful of similar types in the pecking order at the Dees, but that’s not to say that it won’t happen. Hore ranked second for defenders in the VFL for SuperCoach points per game last year, behind only Sam Collins. Champion Data ranks him elite for disposals, disposal efficiency, contested, and uncontested possessions per game. If he debuts early, he’s the kind of player who won’t be nudged out of the side easily and, as such, should make you some strong coin. Definitely circle his name and keep tabs.

TOM WILLIAMSON | CARLTON BLUES | $189,500 | DEF
Had been an early frontrunner for a rookie position in many preseason sides, but the young Blue has had a setback with his health and will not play for some time. If he’s on your initial preseason watch list, put a line through him now.
 
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MIDFIELDERS

SAM WALSH | CARLTON BLUES | $207,300 | MID | 158 TAC Cup avg.
If Cripps is a set-and-forget premium for 2019, Walsh could be the most-picked first-year player. Lauded by Champion Data as the most reliable ball-winner it has seen at junior level, Walsh averaged 29 disposals over 41 junior matches and 142 SuperCoach points at the under-18 national championships. There has been a tendency for first-year players to not smash it out of the park in their first year — last year, Paddy Dow played 20 regular season games and only topped 80 points once, and failed to crack 50 points on six occasions. If Carlton follow a similar softly-softly approach for Walsh, that price tag might be a titch pricey to justify his selection, despite the likelihood being that he’ll appear in a similar amount of games in 2019 to Dow in 2018. Look to his JLT Series form to see how much of the ball he’s able to win, and how his usage goes against the bigger bodies in the AFL.

BRETT BEWLEY | FREMANTLE DOCKERS | $117,300 | MID | 104 VFL avg.
Playing at Williamstown since being ignored in multiple drafts, the 23-year-old would seem certain to make the most of his opportunity, of which there should be plenty in a Dockers’ midfield bereft of his athleticism and ball-winning ability. Could he be the next Mick Barlow? In 2018 he averaged 26 disposals, winning a minimum of 20 on all bar one occasion, and booted 11 goals on the way to averaging 104 Champion Data ranking points per game for Willy. If he’s named in Round 1, he’s a bench option at worst.

JOE ATLEY | PORT ADELAIDE | $123,900 | MID
With Ollie Wines set to be sidelined for the start of the season, Atley should be first in line for game time after a monstrous preseason that has seen him smash PBs and go from strength to strength in his development. After going gameless in his first season at the club, Atley showcased his ball-winning ability in the SANFL from 10 games, ranking first for clearances and second for contested possessions and tackles. A really strong option at the coal face with some zip on the outside of packs, Atley will get a chance to lay claim to Wines’ vacant position throughout the JLT Series. Keep big tabs on him and monitor closely.

NICK HIND | ST KILDA | $117,300 | | MID87 VFL avg.
Known best for that rampaging run off halfback for the Bombers’ VFL side against Richmond, Nick Hind’s speed, ball use, and attack will be a welcome addition to a St. Kilda side that’s lacked speed and attacking options in recent times. Hind averaged 87 SuperCoach points in the VFL last year, playing off halfback and getting involved in chains of play that had him ranked fourth in the competition for score assists. He loves to kick the footy, with a kick-to-handball ratio that heavily favours SuperCoach scoring. If he’s named in Round 1, open up the chequebook and invest.

TOM ATKINS | GEELONG CATS | $112,800 | MID
The Cats have a habit of rolling out mature age recruits, and Tom Atkins could well be the next in line. Having won the Cats’ VFL Best & Fairest twice now, Atkins was listed by the Cats and could come in with immediate impact. There’s been a bit of a shuffle as the Cats look to rejig their engine room. Gary Ablett will move forward, Patrick Dangerfield will feature more heavily in the midfield while captain Joel Selwood will play more of an outside role — it opens up the door for rookie-listed, contested monster Atkins to make a play for a spot. Ranked in the top two for tackles during the last two VFL seasons, Atkins is a hardworking stoppage player who bobs up heavily in the clearances, contested possessions, and score involvements. Nicely priced and could have big output if he features early.

TARRYN THOMAS | NORTH MELBOURNE | $175,800 | MID | 168 AFL Academy Avg.
Could be huge in SuperCoach this year if he gets an opportunity early, particularly after averaging the most SuperCoach points (168) during the Under-18 National Championships last year. Thomas’ ball-winning abilities, tackling, and contested possessions — coupled with speed and athleticism — make him an exciting prospect who can fill gaps for the Roos all over the park. We’ll need to see some evidence that he’s in Brad Scott’s plans early in the year, but if he gets the nod for Round 1, get on. Watch his JLT Series form with interest.

LUKE DAVIES-UNIACKE | NORTH MELBOURNE | $197,500 | MID | 40.4 avg.
Having been touted as a ready-made player coming into his debut season after a phenomenal final year in the TAC Cup, Luke Davies-Uniacke just never got going in 2018. In fact, the step up from his outrageous junior numbers didn’t translate over to AFL level whatsoever. But that doesn’t mean that ‘UDL’ is a bust. With another preseason under his belt, Davies-Uniacke is still priced below $200,000 so his value, as well as upside, is massive. Keep an eye on his JLT Series form before committing.

ELY SMITH | BRISBANE LIONS | $117,300 | MID | 114 TAC Cup avg.
A big-bodied midfielder who looms as an AFL-ready option should he get the call-up, 2019 might be the year where the Lions don’t need to consider automatically giving games to their first-year draftees, particularly with the likes of Raynor, McCluggage, Berry, Witherden, and Andrews expected to find another level this year. Regardless, Smith is a Sam Powell-Pepper type who can command immediate influence. He only played the one game in the National Championships last year but left the tournament as the only player to record more possessions in a game than No. 1 pick, Sam Walsh. In that game, Smith went to town with 30 touches, 18 contested possessions, nine clearances, and five tackles. Watch for form in the JLT Series; there’s nothing stopping him forcing his way into the best 22.

WILL HAYES | WESTERN BULLDOGS | $117,300 | MID | 97 VFL avg.
Could be a ‘just-add-water’ type for the Dogs, Hayes had a tremendous season in the Bulldogs’ VFL side in 2018, winning the best and fairest after averaging 26 disposals and 10 contested possessions per game, ranking first in the VFL team. At just 23 years old, Hayes has a huge tank which allows him to become a damaging outside player who gets on the spread quickly, as was evident by ranking third in the VFL for uncontested possessions and inside-50s. He’s not currently in the Bulldogs’ best 22 pre-JLT Series but he’ll get the chance to showcase his abilities, so he’s worth keeping tabs on.

RHYLEE WEST | WESTERN BULLDOGS | $117,300 | MID | 96 TAC Cup avg.
A ball of muscle, the son of one of the Bulldogs’ best players of the modern era will be pressing his claim for a Round 1 debut. After averaging nearly 20 disposals, six tackles, and a goal a game in the TAC Cup for the Cannons last year, West is the ultimate inside midfielder who can tear games apart with his tenacity, ferociousness, and ability to get his hands to the footy first. He’ll need to show his wares during the JLT Series but, if he’s named, he’s the type of player that can generate plenty of cash in SuperCoach.
 
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RUCKS

DARCY FORT | GEELONG CATS | $117,300 | RUC | 123 SANFL avg.
When Geelong recruit a mature age player, pencil them in for a starting spot in their best 22. With the Cats never having a settled ruck spot last year, the 25-year old Fort — recruited from Central District in the SANFL, but originally a local lad who played his football in Geelong with the Geelong Falcons and South Barwon Football Club — stands an excellent chance of stepping straight into senior ranks in 2019. He is dirt cheap and if his JLT Series form justifies his recruitment and potential for selection in Round 1, lock him in.

ZAC CLARKE | ESSENDON BOMBERS | RUC | $142,600
He might not be a rookie, but he’s certainly rookie-priced. The former Fremantle-listed ruckman was delisted by the Dockers after struggling for games behind Aaron Sandilands, however with conjecture over the ruck position at Essendon, could he force himself into the Bombers’ preferred ruck? You’d need to go all the way back to 2013 when Clarke averaged a huge 96.3 SuperCoach points to see his scoring potential, however in his favour he does have previous averages of 83.2, 74 and 75.9. If he can nudge Tom Bellchambers from the No. 1 mantle, then Clarke could prove to be a brilliant cash cow while sitting on your bench.

TOM DE KONING | CARLTON BLUES | $171,500 | RUC / FWD | 39.5 avg.
Drafted at pick 30 in the 2017 Draft, De Koning played twice in 2018, and there is an expectation that he will be able to step up in 2019 to assist Matthew Kreuzer. Having had some dominant under age performances — including a nine goal game for the Dandenong Stingrays against the Northern Knights in 2016 — he signed a new deal with the Blues to remain at the club until 2021, a strong indication that SOS and co. have faith in him to develop into a weapon in future years. He might not play early in the year if Kreuzer and / or Matthew Lobbe are preferred as starting ruckmen, but he’s a handy DPP to have as a switch up until the bye week who may get an opportunity if his form is good enough or injuries strike.

FORWARDS

MATT PARKER | ST KILDA | $117,300 | FWD | 76 WAFL avg.
Could be the pick of the forward rookie options this year. Parker’s scintillating speed, agility, and power suits both the Saints and Marvel Stadium to a tee. Parker had a phenomenal year in the WAFL, kicking 24 goals and laying 84 tackles for South Fremantle in what was a terrific season for the mature age recruit. Should hit the ground running for the Saints and Alan Richardson is a big fan. Track watchers at the Saints believe he’s more than a good chance of making his debut in Round 1.

BEN CAVARRA | WESTERN BULLDOGS | $117,300 | FWD | 97 VFL avg.
After being overlooked in several drafts, Ben Cavarra finally gets his well-deserved chance at the Bulldogs, and so far this preseason he’s made every post a winner. Williamstown’s leading goalkicker in each of the last two seasons averaged the most SuperCoach points of any non-AFL player listed general forward in the VFL last season. Champion Data rank Cavarra elite in ground ball gets, tackles, goals, and score involvements, and above average in contested possessions, uncontested possessions, and score assists; it’s a fair rap sheet. Cavarra adds forward 50 tenacity, goal sense, and creativity to the Bulldogs forward line, and should slot in for a Round 1 debut.

SHANE MCADAM | ADELAIDE CROWS | FWD | $123,900
Finding his way to the Crows through a convoluted pre-selection trade that included the Blues and Mitch McGovern, local goal sneak Shane McAdam finally gets a crack at the big time. Having played for Sturt in the SANFL last year, McAdam showed his tenacity as a small forward who could hunt ball-carriers, apply defensive pressure and leap like a flea off a wet dog. That, and his ability to shark opportunistic goals makes him a well-rounded forward option that could have an immediate impact as Adelaide make a surge for a finals return. Will need to be sure of his position and job security, so all eyes will be on his JLT Series form.

JOSH CORBETT | GOLD COAST SUNS | FWD | $123,900
One of Gold Coast’s three pre-selection concessions, reigning Forthergill-Round Medalist for most promising young player in the VFL, Josh Corbett bagged 22 majors for Werribee last year in the VFL and clunked on average almost eight marks per game. But can he translate that to the big time? Corbett can certainly take marks and kick goals but might find it difficult for consistent output in a forward line that is going to struggle for consistent supply in a grim period for the Suns.

NICK BLAKEY | SYDNEY SWANS | $166,800 | 162 AFLAC Avg | FWD
With Daniel Menzel touch and go after preseason surgery, Nick Blakey stands a good chance of stepping into his spot as a third-tall option upfront for the Swans. With Tom McCartin set to partner Lance Franklin as a key forward, Blakely looks like he’ll make a start to his AFL career as a third tall, but will eventually become a tall midfielder in time. John Longmire has shown he doesn’t mind giving opportunities to his youth and given Blakey’s professionalism to date, don’t be surprised if he suits up in Round 1. Blakely is priced at the top-end of all forward rookies, so you’d need to be confident his output will mirror or exceed that of players priced in the $117,300 — $123,900 bracket.

TYSON STENGLE | ADELAIDE CROWS | $117,300 | FWD
Didn’t do anything wrong in his time at the Tigers but was starved of opportunity in a deep Richmond list that won a Premiership and made a preliminary final in the two seasons he spent at Punt Road. Stengle will get opportunities at the Crows. However, the life of a small forward can be rollercoaster, particularly for SuperCoach owners. The price point is attractive given Stengle features at the bottom end of rookie-priced options, but his JLT Series form will decide whether he’s a potential Round 1 starter. Watch with interest.

ROBBIE YOUNG | ST. KILDA | FWD | $117,300
Another mature-age pick-up for the Saints who are ready to make inroads in 2019. Young made his way to the Saints via pick 67 in the National Draft from North Adelaide. While Young isn’t a notable possession-winner, his output is all about impact and quality. He’s capable of kicking multiple goals off limited touches which makes him a high half-forward threat for the Saints. Watch for his JLT Series form, but based off the limited possessions he usually wins, there’s a few in front of him from a SuperCoach perspective for a forward bench spot.

TOM WILKINSON | NORTH MELBOURNE | $102,400
After spending several years in VFL and NEAFL competitions, the hardworking former Sandringham Dragon Best & Fairest winner finally gets a go at AFL listed. Having been thrown an opportunity via the rookie draft, Wilkinson has played his recent football up forward where his ability in the air, toughness, and ground level game has won him plaudits. His impact shouldn’t be overlooked either, with Champion Data ranking him elite in the NEAFL for goals, forward-50 tackles, marks, score assists, and contested marks. An outside chance for a Round 1 debut but this guy can make things happen.
 
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Walsh , Setterfield , Stocker , Cottrell & Gibbons

all play 2-3 games and get rotated through.
Cottrell unlikely to play this year.

I think Gibbons plays Round 1, out of the forward line with a little bit of mid time too (Pickett/Fas injured, Bugg retired, Polson/Garlett 2 others contending with, probably play Gibbons and one of those two)

Setterfield touch and go for Round 1.

Stocker probably misses out unless we get some injuries. He isn't too far off.

Walsh will play 20+ games unless injured.

Interesting I see a lot of people leaving Walsh out at his starting price (myself included) , yet Rozee & Collins figure prominently at approximately $ 20 k less.

Is it more JS especially with Collins ? rather than $$$ gained.

Lack of defender options or am I completely missing something ?
Collins broke records for intercept marks in the VFL. I expect he will be in the Round 1 team. There are also very little defender options as you mentioned (I doubt Rozee plays Round 1 myself)
 
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Cottrell unlikely to play this year.

I think Gibbons plays Round 1, out of the forward line with a little bit of mid time too (Pickett/Fas injured, Bugg retired, Polson/Garlett 2 others contending with, probably play Gibbons and one of those two)

Setterfield touch and go for Round 1.

Stocker probably misses out unless we get some injuries. He isn't too far off.

Walsh will play 20+ games unless injured.



Collins broke records for intercept marks in the VFL. I expect he will be in the Round 1 team. There are also very little defender options as you mentioned (I doubt Rozee plays Round 1 myself)
Cheers mate , thanks for your insights.

All a mystery to me , we discuss all these rookies then every year half a dozen or so no one thinks of pops up.

Hard not to get caught up in it though.
 
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Interesting I see a lot of people leaving Walsh out at his starting price (myself included) , yet Rozee & Collins figure prominently at approximately $ 20 k less.

Is it more JS especially with Collins ? rather than $$$ gained.

Lack of defender options or am I completely missing something ?
Collins is 24 and match hardened after years in the system.
Big difference compared with a 19yo.
 
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Collins is 24 and match hardened after years in the system.
Big difference compared with a 19yo.
question was more to do with starting price.

years in the system but playing VFL , maybe he is not up to AFL standardn
 
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question was more to do with starting price.

years in the system but playing VFL , maybe he is not up to AFL standardn
what did Collins average at Freo in 2016 & 2017 ?
2@58 in '17
12@72.5 in '16, including two tons
He might not be Alex Rance standard but he does look to have improved his game since he was 21 when he averaged 72.
Will be interesting to watch him in JLT for sure to see if he's up to it; same goes for all rookies though.
 
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He might not be Alex Rance standard but he does look to have improved his game since he was 21 when he averaged 72.
Will be interesting to watch him in JLT for sure to see if he's up to it; same goes for all rookies though.
Sometimes you just need to pick the rookies that may have greater JS and accept the points and $$$ increase as it occurs.

Starting price is a worry but will need to see if there are other viable alternatives
 
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Early days but mature player with that kind of role seems a pretty easy pick to me if he looks comfortable in JLT. Not an either/or with Walsh. Harder for the first-year players but not impossible.
 
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question was more to do with starting price.

years in the system but playing VFL , maybe he is not up to AFL standardn

Nah. The good mature age rookies in recent year are plenty good enough for AFL. In fact, many are the top rookies for SC and also can have pretty good JS
 

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Michael Gibbons and Matthew Cottrell will now have to be added to the SC site.
haha just like it has been in SC BBL , bing, new player created.
 
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