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It is is a delicate balance between picking players who seem to have good job security and will score poorly and picking players who you think will score more but may be more expensive.
I currently have Parker and Gibbons in my side on the bench as players who look like they have good job security because of their role in the team but who might be pretty slow burners. I also have Petrucelle on my bench who I'm tossing up with Burgess just because I need him to be there due to the lack of forward rookies even though I'm not sold on his job security.
You don't want too many of these players because not all of them will make enough cash to be worth selecting but I feel like Parker and Gibbons scored well enough at state level to suggest they can make it to 260k. I think both will be similar to Zac Giles-Langdon without the interruptions in terms of cash generation. Someone like Lachlan Murphy or Garlett last year wouldn't have made more than 100k even if they stayed in the side so were probably best to avoid.
I'm currently avoiding having Burgess in the back line despite the apparent job security because on top of Parker, Gibbons and Petrucelle picking another player with low scoring prospects (and they seem lower than the other 3) is asking for a guy to only make it to 200k. I might pick him as a forward over Petrucelle when I read more about job security and to utilise his DPP with Moore but we'll see.
I think the key is to pick a couple of these ones who you think will score alright and stay in the side but to avoid the others and don't pick too many. The key thing is that these players are cheap and available and often the expensive rookies score the same as them.
Not even 100% confident on Gibbons's job security but due to his role it seems good.
I currently have Parker and Gibbons in my side on the bench as players who look like they have good job security because of their role in the team but who might be pretty slow burners. I also have Petrucelle on my bench who I'm tossing up with Burgess just because I need him to be there due to the lack of forward rookies even though I'm not sold on his job security.
You don't want too many of these players because not all of them will make enough cash to be worth selecting but I feel like Parker and Gibbons scored well enough at state level to suggest they can make it to 260k. I think both will be similar to Zac Giles-Langdon without the interruptions in terms of cash generation. Someone like Lachlan Murphy or Garlett last year wouldn't have made more than 100k even if they stayed in the side so were probably best to avoid.
I'm currently avoiding having Burgess in the back line despite the apparent job security because on top of Parker, Gibbons and Petrucelle picking another player with low scoring prospects (and they seem lower than the other 3) is asking for a guy to only make it to 200k. I might pick him as a forward over Petrucelle when I read more about job security and to utilise his DPP with Moore but we'll see.
I think the key is to pick a couple of these ones who you think will score alright and stay in the side but to avoid the others and don't pick too many. The key thing is that these players are cheap and available and often the expensive rookies score the same as them.
Not even 100% confident on Gibbons's job security but due to his role it seems good.
I don't really understand the concern about Gibbons - he is a mature aged rookie priced at $102k in a lower ladder team who need to build a side. Sure, he won't punch out 80s every week but not many do and it only needs one or two well placed spike scores for him to make good coin. Additionally he is on the mid bench where you can arguably and easily hide a player like him without much worry.
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I think he should be good but my concern was originally just that he was playing as a forward rather than a mid, then I realised he was being used as a pressure forward and I guess Carlton lack small forwards who can win the ball at ground level. Those things are reassuring. He is a bit different to Parker in that St Kilda came out and said they wanted to use Parker as a pressure forward and Richo has been talking him up all preseason. It was the same with Zac Giles-Langdon last year with GWS lacking forward pressure and seemingly recruiting Langdon specifically for that purpose. We haven't had any of the same confirmation with Carlton but it looks like Carlton will use him as a forward role player. I think with his VFL form he's definitely a good chance to perform better when the season starts.
It can be an incredibly entertaining website, especially some of the team boards. The North and Richmond boards have a particularly tenuous connection to reality. #sackdimma (lol), Atley is the next Judd/Swann, West Coast fans constantly whining about Priddis the year he won the Brownlow. If you're looking for info the Lions board is one of the few good sources because you won't have to trawl through 20 pages of idiots, trolling and meaningless arguments to find something useful.
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Yes but...….Accepting a poorer scoring rookie just because they are dirt cheap isn't always the best strategy, just as our ''Premo'' selections are versing every other coaches premo selections in the same spots, so too are our rookies. Even if it's a non playing bench spot, our rookies are all competing against other coaches rookies to increase cash, by round 8 some people who took a Gibbons at 102k or a Parker at 117k because they wanted to squeeze that extra 15k (102 rookie) or 6k (117), may end up regretting watching a guy averaging 40 on their bench making stuff all while someone else has already made 80k more from a guy going at 65 or w/e.
This is all theoretical granted, and i agree that a Gibbons or Parker may well indeed have some spike games and turn out to be better than a higher priced rookie but you'd hate to lose cash generation, have dead wood all for the sake of 15-21k (in some circumstances).
This is all theoretical granted, and i agree that a Gibbons or Parker may well indeed have some spike games and turn out to be better than a higher priced rookie but you'd hate to lose cash generation, have dead wood all for the sake of 15-21k (in some circumstances).
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I think they were dead right about Priddis, look at Rockliff at Brisbane or G.Ablett at GCS, a great individual season by a player isn't necessarily a winning formula for team success, which is one of the funnier topics when people discuss ''who has the better team on paper'' and struggle to explain how teams with supposedly weaker line ups, less superstars or vulnerable positions in team win flags.
I don't agree with everything Chris Judd says, but he is spot on with emphasising team cohesion
I don't agree with everything Chris Judd says, but he is spot on with emphasising team cohesion
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Can have 3 rookies in defence starting like Collins scrimshaw Clark and burgess and Hore on bench if play round 1 work .
Walsh butters Duursma Scott and Constable Atkins Gibbons on bench work if all start round 1 .
Moore Setterfild drew bench petrrucelle Parker work if named round 1 but would be needing to think long term with JS too.
Walsh butters Duursma Scott and Constable Atkins Gibbons on bench work if all start round 1 .
Moore Setterfild drew bench petrrucelle Parker work if named round 1 but would be needing to think long term with JS too.
113 players on the #RookieWatch over the preseason and comes down to only 27 players likely to play, 9 in the mix and 77 unlikely #AFLSupercoach
Anderson: won't be available Round 1 - could see LDU take that spot
Tarrant: should be fit
Hall, Polec and Tyson should all come in.
Jacobs: doubt he'll play Round 1
Wright: 50/50
Look his JS isn't best 22 every week, but he's done enough for Round 1 selection. Whether he can stay in for 5-6 weeks (or more) remains to be seen. He does however provide good run, carry, neat skills and a tonne of heart.
I'd personally like to see him played off a HBF to give us some good speed out of there while providing neat ball use - which we can lack at times.
Tarrant: should be fit
Hall, Polec and Tyson should all come in.
Jacobs: doubt he'll play Round 1
Wright: 50/50
Look his JS isn't best 22 every week, but he's done enough for Round 1 selection. Whether he can stay in for 5-6 weeks (or more) remains to be seen. He does however provide good run, carry, neat skills and a tonne of heart.
I'd personally like to see him played off a HBF to give us some good speed out of there while providing neat ball use - which we can lack at times.
