Strategy Round 2: Trades

[blue dreamer]

Thinking of keeping Collins now. Hopefully that knock to the head switches him on.

Look like giving Parker a miss unless he goes strongly again & Gibbons doesn't show much again.

Didn't see the game.

How early was the head knock?

Did it have any influence on the score or was that all down to the role played?

 

[blue dreamer]

I think Balta just has to go this week. You don't want to wait to get rid of him. Never know when you'll need to use those 2 weekly trades. I doubt Balta will be a good enough scorer to justify keeping him. He duped us all in the pre-season.

The only issue is that there aren't really any options. Burgess is a shocking scorer but has good JS. Petruccelle looks a decent scorer but I doubt he'll last much longer in the WCE team - they have a few to come back. Schultz got on the end of a few in R1 but I doubt his JS is good and his scoring output doesn't seem great either... but you can make a quick 6k off him at least.

Think I might just go Burgess. Even if he's only going to score 40-50 each week at least he'll be playing, and he provides a DPP link with Moore which might come in handy. Who knows, maybe he'll produce a 4 goal, 80 point game somewhere along the way.

If you don't like the options this week I would hold until there is one you do like or you could be facing the same situation again in a few weeks and have burnt one trade.

Surely you're not facing a donut if you keep him for a while.

 

[gunslinga]

Hard to know the best option without knowing the rest of your team but FWIW I see it as using two trades to get a worse rookie and a better speculative midpricer. If you really want Rocky (I think that's reasonable) I would be looking at other ways to get him.

Cheers - appreciate the feedback! Will have a think...

 

[blue dreamer]

Balta barely played 50% gametime and still looked cooked in the 4th quarter. I don't think he has the conditioning to play AFL just yet. Once Grigg comes back that's their 2nd ruck option sorted, and they hardly need another tall forward. Very likely we don't see him again this year.

Like, who is this superstar forward rookie that everyone is waiting for? One might appear down the line, but by then you've had a bloke rot on your bench not making money for the last 3-4 weeks. His only use is as a loophole but that's a pretty flimsy reason to keep a non-playing rookie IMO.

Burgess, Pet and Schultz may not be great options but at least they're playing. Even if Burgess only goes up 80k, that's 80k more than you'd have if you stick with Balta.

It's the value placed on a trade.

Most would value that at double or even triple 80k at this early stage of the season.

Each to his own and only time will tell what the right decision is, in fact both can be right.

 

[jobeywatto]

If you don't like the options this week I would hold until there is one you do like or you could be facing the same situation again in a few weeks and have burnt one trade.

Surely you're not facing a donut if you keep him for a while.

My reasoning is that Balta is going to have to get sideways traded eventually. Whether it's this week or 5 weeks down the line, he'll have to go.

So yeah, the options this week aren't great. But what's to say that the options in 5 weeks' time will be any better? Schultz/Burgess/Pet may not go up that much, but no one can guarantee that the Cavarra types who will come in later will do any better. By then, you may have a trade in hand but you've missed out on potentially 80k-100k worth of cash generation. That could be the difference between bringing in a Macrae or having to settle for someone below him.

For me, cash generation is the most important thing at this time of year. Having a non-playing rookie that is unlikely to be brought back any time soon taking up a precious rookie spot is just unacceptable.

 

[The Underdogs]

Didn't see the game.

How early was the head knock?

Did it have any influence on the score or was that all down to the role played?

I was at the game, was literally with about a minute to go. He just played lockdown defender the entire game.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

First trade for season. Had Rozee the night before Port played but moved him out to fit others in. Time to give him a second chance. Balta is no good to me so gone!

 

[Bermi]

The Age ›

Zach Merrett played round one with a virus
Peter Ryan March 28, 2019

Under-fire Essendon midfielder Zach Merrett was suffering a virus when he took the field against Greater Western Sydney on Sunday at Giants Stadium.

The 23-year-old managed to get up to play the game but put in a below-par performance, collecting just 16 disposals and applying little pressure.

Merrett'seffort was the subject of much discussion after the game and one particular contest midway through the first quarter drew heavy criticism from former club greats such as Tim Watson, who described it as "not up to AFL standard".

The Bombers cleared Merrett to play, aware that he had worked his way through such issues at other times during his 104-game career, however he struggled during the match.

 

[PC]

Loving all the Balta and Collins trades.

I am holding both and hoping they repay the faith. That said, I am reasonably confident I have all the necessary rookies.

 

[Herbie66]

Loving all the Balta and Collins trades.

I am holding both and hoping they repay the faith. That said, I am reasonably confident I have all the necessary rookies.

exactly, might be plenty of more "surprises" tonight when the rest of the teams are named

 

[Santoz]

Didn't see the game.

How early was the head knock?

Did it have any influence on the score or was that all down to the role played?

Head knock was early in Q4. He wasn't anywhere near the footy beforehand.

 

[Muffin Head]

Loving all the Balta and Collins trades.

I am holding both and hoping they repay the faith. That said, I am reasonably confident I have all the necessary rookies.

Was at the Saints Gold Coast game and my concern with Collins is that he played a lock down role on Membery. I hope he plays again this week so I can reassess his role. Otherwise he will be traded into Wilkie or Joyce come round 3.

With no real good forward rookies to choose from happy to keep Balta on the bench at this stage.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Loving all the Balta and Collins trades.

I am holding both and hoping they repay the faith. That said, I am reasonably confident I have all the necessary rookies.

I got both. Would have kept Balta if he played this week to see what he can do but js looks really crap when he not even kept in with other tall like Rance out.
Much happier to see what Collins can do with a 2nd game. I think he has good upside to score if they do not turn him only into lock down defender. Hope Saints bring in another tall down there like Marsh or Rowe asap to free him up to take more intercept marks which is his scoring path.

 

[frosty1]

Watched the replay today. He is clearly underdone. The question is whether I can ride it out, and when he comes good. Last year he averaged about 90 in the first half of the season. If he does that I'll get to the byes down on cash and points. The cash saved helps me with other corrections. Either this week, or with 200K up my sleeve for Rd 3.

Probably stupid, but I love nothing more than a million early season trades and being left with none for finals!

I think I'm holding this week now.

Everyone piling on, plus the story about the virus, suggests I just need to hold and see how it goes.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

I got both. Would have kept Balta if he played this week to see what he can do but js looks really crap when he not even kept in with other tall like Rance out.
Much happier to see what Collins can do with a 2nd game. I think he has good upside to score if they do not turn him only into lock down defender. Hope Saints bring in another tall down there like Marsh or Rowe asap to free him up to take more intercept marks which is his scoring path.

Collins is at the Suns, not the Saints. He would need another key defender to come in, the issue is, there's very little options at the Suns in terms of key defenders at the moment. Only thing I could think of is when Corbett is fit, he comes in as a FWD, and Burgess swings back to help out. However, I think Corbett is a while away still, and I'm yet to hear of Burgess training or playing any time in defence since getting to the Suns, so that proposal is probably out the window as it is.

 

[inwhiterooms]

These kinds of restructuring trades feel wrong but can be necessary sometimes. I'm considering similar but will wait till next week. Getting Scott seems the higher priority for you, but I can see why those tempted by Rocky want him in this week before playing Carlton. You need both Rocky and Newman to be keepers to make it worth it. A gamble but not a totally crazy one IMO.

FWIW I currently have similar MID and DEF rookie structure that you will end up with after these trades, and I'm still considering changing it to allow one more MID rookie on field. Getting Rocky in for Oliver seems to cut off that option for you. Hard to know if it's necessary until seeing another wweek, but maybe something to think about.

It’s definitely a gamble, but I’m very bullish on Newman and love that this double move sures up my bench by bringing a little extra value into the fold.

For my trades to come off I need Newman to be a premium defender, and Rockliff to score somewhere close to Oliver. Both outcomes are possible, but I also recognise it’s a big ask.

I made some big moves early on last year which came off so maybe I’ve got a bit of a false sense of security about them.

I’m a lot more bullish on Newman than most, I just think he plays such an SC friendly game. Takes a lot of marks and looks to kick a every opportunity. Newman putting up a 90+ season feels a lot more likely than Rockliff putting up consultant uber-premium numbers.

Keen to hear what moves you’re potentially eyeing off next week?

 

[bomberboy]

Anyone considering a Williams to Newman trade next week?

 

[jaca]

Nope.

 

[blue dreamer]

If you don't like the options this week I would hold until there is one you do like or you could be facing the same situation again in a few weeks and have burnt one trade.

Surely you're not facing a donut if you keep him for a while.

Each to his own and only time will tell what the right decision is, in fact both can be right.[/QUOTE]

My reasoning is that Balta is going to have to get sideways traded eventually. Whether it's this week or 5 weeks down the line, he'll have to go.

So yeah, the options this week aren't great. But what's to say that the options in 5 weeks' time will be any better? Schultz/Burgess/Pet may not go up that much, but no one can guarantee that the Cavarra types who will come in later will do any better. By then, you may have a trade in hand but you've missed out on potentially 80k-100k worth of cash generation. That could be the difference between bringing in a Macrae or having to settle for someone below him.

For me, cash generation is the most important thing at this time of year. Having a non-playing rookie that is unlikely to be brought back any time soon taking up a precious rookie spot is just unacceptable.

It's the value placed on a trade.

Most would value that at double or even triple 80k at this early stage of the season.

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I understand your reasons and you may end up right but I really think if your not happy with the trade in options you shouldn't bring one in unless forced to by a donut

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Collins is at the Suns, not the Saints. He would need another key defender to come in, the issue is, there's very little options at the Suns in terms of key defenders at the moment. Only thing I could think of is when Corbett is fit, he comes in as a FWD, and Burgess swings back to help out. However, I think Corbett is a while away still, and I'm yet to hear of Burgess training or playing any time in defence since getting to the Suns, so that proposal is probably out the window as it is.

Ha ha. That is funny. I know he is at Suns but for some reason in small portal of my mind, he temporarily became a Saint. ha ha. Throw out everything I said. With Rory Thompson gone for a long time, not sure he can be saved from the dreaded lock down role. Now might talk myself out of keeping him again.. damn, mental merry go round