Analysis SuperCoach Scoring Explained, Observations & Complaints On Scoring

[quite ironic]

Gawn won 55 out of 67 Ruck contests attended.
18 H2A's

How the hell did he only score 110-112 with 19 disposals and 5 marks???!!!

How the hell did Lloyd match him, when Lloyd kept kicking it to the opposition in the last quarter?

I'd be amazingly .......... if I owned Gawn!

Agreed!

Watching the game too I know it doesn’t mean anything but it honestly ‘felt’ like a 150 game. Was giving Sinclair a bath all night and felt like he took about 4 contested marks (CD recorded just 2) to go with 19 HTA, 16 kicks, 10 contested possessions, 3 score involvements, 4 inside 50’s, 3 rebound 50’s and 55 total hitouts.

 

[manyproblems]

Gawn won 55 out of 67 Ruck contests attended.
18 H2A's

How the hell did he only score 110-112 with 19 disposals and 5 marks???!!!

How the hell did Lloyd match him, when Lloyd kept kicking it to the opposition in the last quarter?

I'd be amazingly .......... if I owned Gawn!

Think he took about 4 marks from opponents kicks as well. Should have been a 140+ game even considering the poor disposal.

 

[quite ironic]

I want to put in a complaint to CD about Gawn’s scoring tonight. Not that it will do anything.

He went like 40/20 in that last quarter when winning them the match taking 3 contested marks (only 2 recorded as contested though) and was dominant throughout when the game was there to be won..

 

[Courtesans]

CD must have had their L plate scorers on duty. Pathetic effort.

 

[pizza safety]

Think he took about 4 marks from opponents kicks as well. Should have been a 140+ game even considering the poor disposal.

4 clangers and freako explained his score by saying a point for each of the 17 hitouts sharked, that's still only 33 points lost at most. 19 hitouts to advantage, 19 disposals at 52%, 10 cp's, 1 tackle 6 clearances and all those intercept marks should be more than 140 on their own, that's certainly true. Ripped off.

 

[madmunza]

Fair to say CD has there favourites. Lloyd for 110 and Oliver 86, yer ok

Oliver: 7 clearances, 2 tackles, 7 marks, 20 contested, 7 inside 50s, 3 rebound 50s, 33 disposals, 6 score involvements, 3 intercepts, 7 clangers and 60% efficiency = 86

Lloyd: 1 clearance, 0 tackles, 9 marks, 4 contested, 3 inside 50s, 7 rebound 50s, 34 disposals, 6 score involvements, 2 intercepts, 7 clangers and 75% efficiency = 110

 

[McLovin]

Watching Gawn tonight, I'm not mad about that score. A lot of his hitouts 'to advantage' went to a Melbourne player but not much more than that. Also just generally did lots of dumb things. Quantity isn't always > quality, Gawn and Oliver need to stop drinking their own bathwater and clean their games up.

 

[Connoisseur]

CD must have had their L plate scorers on duty. Pathetic effort.

Several of us are playing NRL SC this season and whilst it's annoying that it usually doesn't open until 18-24 hours after the completion of the round it's fantastic that they review each match and make updates to the scoring. Would be great to see this applied to AFL SC.

 

[IDIG]

Fair to say CD has there favourites. Lloyd for 110 and Oliver 86, yer ok

Oliver: 7 clearances, 2 tackles, 7 marks, 20 contested, 7 inside 50s, 3 rebound 50s, 33 disposals, 6 score involvements, 3 intercepts, 7 clangers and 60% efficiency = 86

Lloyd: 1 clearance, 0 tackles, 9 marks, 4 contested, 3 inside 50s, 7 rebound 50s, 34 disposals, 6 score involvements, 2 intercepts, 7 clangers and 75% efficiency = 110

It’s a weird one. If that was Cripps with Oliver’s numbers, in a win, its a 120 game easy if not more.

 

[pizza safety]

Several of us are playing NRL SC this season and whilst it's annoying that it usually doesn't open until 18-24 hours after the completion of the round it's fantastic that they review each match and make updates to the scoring. Would be great to see this applied to AFL SC.

Too much room for human error in the stats booth unless the game is reviewed. Gawn monstered that game and got 113, one of the biggest robberies of all time.

 

[McLovin]

Fair to say CD has there favourites. Lloyd for 110 and Oliver 86, yer ok

Oliver: 7 clearances, 2 tackles, 7 marks, 20 contested, 7 inside 50s, 3 rebound 50s, 33 disposals, 6 score involvements, 3 intercepts, 7 clangers and 60% efficiency = 86

Lloyd: 1 clearance, 0 tackles, 9 marks, 4 contested, 3 inside 50s, 7 rebound 50s, 34 disposals, 6 score involvements, 2 intercepts, 7 clangers and 75% efficiency = 110

To continue my theme of disagreeing with everyone here, Lloyd had a lot of important touches, metres gained etc. Would've been a key part of pretty much all Sydney's transitions from d50 to f50. Absolutely nothing wrong with the difference between those scores.

 

[Bontempele]

Don't forget people that disposals in the forward and defensive 50 are scored about 20% higher than in midfield. Lloyd also had 3 fewer clangers, went at 20 % higher efficiency, and had 11 more kicks than Oliver.

 

[pizza safety]

Don't forget people that disposals in the forward and defensive 50 are scored about 20% higher than in midfield. Lloyd also had 3 fewer clangers, went at 20 % higher efficiency, and had 11 more kicks than Oliver.

He also had 16 contested possesions more (don’t own him) and they’ve had a bad night. Usually I see how they get their scores and defend them but they’re also prone to human error. The crew tonight stuffed up. Still more accurate than DT by a mile over time but they will occasionally mess up a score.

 

[Bontempele]

He also had 16 less contested possesions more (don’t own him) and they’ve had a bad night. Usually I see how they get their scores and defend them but they’re also prone to human error. The crew tonight stuffed up. Still more accurate than DT by a mile over time but they will occasionally mess up a score.

So 16 less CP is about 48 points less. Then 11 more kicks is about 22 more. 20 % better efficiency is about 5 kicks and 2 handballs better, so there's about 17. Three fewer clangers is 9 more. Two more tackles for Oliver are probably evened out by a few long kicks to advantage that I saw from Lloyd (worth 5 instead of 3).

Add a few kick ins (which don't come up anyway in the stats), and Lloyd is about 5 ahead. And then the positional difference will be about another 15 points more for Lloyd.

 

[pizza safety]

So 16 less CP is about 48 points less. Then 11 more kicks is about 22 more. 20 % better efficiency is about 5 kicks and 2 handballs better, so there's about 17. Three fewer clangers is 9 more. Two more tackles for Oliver are probably evened out by a few long kicks to advantage that I saw from Lloyd (worth 5 instead of 3).

Add a few kick ins (which don't come up anyway in the stats), and Lloyd is about 5 ahead. And then the positional difference will be about another 15 points more for Lloyd.

I don't reckon it adds up like that
Oliver

6 intercepts
7 marks
1 goal assist
2 tackles
20 contested possessions’s
7 score involvements
8 clangers
15 kicks, 18 handballs at 58%

9 AFL player rating points

Lloyd

2 intercepts
9 marks
0 tackles
4 contested possessions
6 score involvements
5 clangers
26 kicks, 8 handballs at 76%

3 AFL player rating points (CD rated his impact as 1/3 of Oliver’s)


I don't own either, but this looks like human error to me. Usually looking at these is just a rough guide but I don't get how they rated Lloyd's game so poorly compared to Oliver and gave them such disparate scores.

 

[lavenderbandit]

Just to my eye, and as an oliver owner, he absolutely butchered the touches he had and most had little impact. In the last q i think, he had a good run from 70, hit the 50 line, had a ping, and missed the goals by 30 metres! Summed up his night and his score is about right i reckon.

As a non owner of Gawn, i watched him like a hawk, and was quietly sh1tting myself in the last quarter to afraid to look at his score. Contested marks, dominant in the ruck. Thought 130 easy so was pleasantly surprised with his final score.

 

[pizza safety]

Just to my eye, and as an oliver owner, he absolutely butchered the touches he had and most had little impact. In the last q i think, he had a good run from 70, hit the 50 line, had a ping, and missed the goals by 30 metres! Summed up his night and his score is about right i reckon.

As a non owner of Gawn, i watched him like a hawk, and was quietly sh1tting myself in the last quarter to afraid to look at his score. Contested marks, dominant in the ruck. Thought 130 easy so was pleasantly surprised with his final score.

I didn't think Oliver had a very good game either, I just thought he had enough inside ball from a stats point of view tonight to put up a flat 100 or just over and thought he would have scored very slightly higher than Lloyd. 20 cp's seems like a guaranteed 100 you'd think. I'm only slightly surprised by Lloyd scoring 109 but I was more surprised that Oliver only put up 87. Usually not one to complain about the scoring but tonight it just didn't seem right, especially with Gawn.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

I didn't think Oliver had a very good game either, I just thought he had enough inside ball from a stats point of view tonight to put up a flat 100 or just over and thought he would have scored very slightly higher than Lloyd. 20 cp's seems like a guaranteed 100 you'd think. I'm only slightly surprised by Lloyd scoring 109 but I was more surprised that Oliver only put up 87. Usually not one to complain about the scoring but tonight it just didn't seem right, especially with Gawn.

Own Olivier

Would rather Oli in a real AFL side

Re SC,

kick to handball favoured Lloyd
Efficiency helped him
Couple of extra marks

Lots of 2’s where as Olivier doing the hard work but then getting zero return for a kick and lower return for a handball.

Olivier rated higher on ranking points I expect based on how he got the ball more than how he disposed of it.

 

[Leroy]

Lots of chat about Gawn, Oliver, Lloyd etc. some of it whinging, some of it constructive.

In terms of CD scoring, the stats are all pretty clear for everyone to see: the only thing open to interpretation is effective vs. ineffective vs. clanger.

Except... there are other hidden variables that affect a SC score. Game time multipier can be much a bigger influence than people give credit for - now that it is dynamically adjusted, you see comments like: "Gawn just got 2 pts for that mark and kick in the last quarter, Heeney got 11 for one handball all quarter!".

The phenomena needs a name, but what I imagine is happening is that the more SC points that are scored in the last when the game was dead, the more they are scaled down and the more the first and second quarters scale up. So ironically, the more points Gawn and Oliver et. al. generated in dead time, the more Heeney's score went up (probably Lloyd too)

 

[Nathan]

The only thing I get annoyed with concerning the scoring is the massive over allocation of points in 1st qtrs..Not sure if it’s because the game is close (0-0) but it effects the point spread for the rest of the game.