Strategy Round 6: Trades

[BlufBlufShuv]

I'm thinking just grab Kelly this week, pass on Daniel and Worpel and then look at bringing in a defender next week with Hately or just dobule down and grab Hately and Hayes possibly.

If i had to say right now with cash projections etc it will probably be one of these three options:

Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: Clark + Constable -> B.Smith + J.Hately
or
Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: Clark + Constable -> J.Crisp + W.Hayes
or
Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: B.Scott + Constable -> J.Crisp + W.Hayes (pocket the 275k+)

So you're sold on Baker? I honestly haven't seen much of him, although obviously the scoring on face value is great. You think he can make $200k quickly?

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Thanks for the responses guys.
Would it change anyone's opinion in the knowledge of the following week if I did to option 1 (Clark and Darling -> Baker and Daniel) that I'd be looking to do Constable and Collins -> Hately and Kelly (via Moore)?


The different approaches to the scenarios and positives and negatives i was looking at is:

Positives
Option 1)
Let Kelly possibly drop in value a little more whilst also avoiding him this week with the possible Hutchings tag and getting him in via Collins the following week.

In this scenario it doesn't seem like a loss waiting one more week on Collins as his BE is only 43 (the same as Clark and appears to be a better scorer than Clark). He is also playing Brisbane who often with their run and gun style blaze into forward 50 a bit too carelessly, opening the door for intercept marks.

Option 2)
Get Kelly in the side now who is likely a top 4 forward and definite keeper all year baring injury in what seems like a certain role for the remainder of the season.

Leaves me with 40k to assess my options next week (will target Hately via Constable or Scott and probably another downgrade unless I can get Clark to Daniel (probably just out of my range with Daniel's BE and only having $400 left if i do option 1).

Negatives:
Option 1)
Only $400 left in the kitty and things can't drastically go astray this week in my plan to be able to get Kelly and Hately via Collins and Constable next week.

Is Daniel a keeper as a top 6-8 forward this year? We don't have a heap of evidence on him and Bevo isn't a stranger to shuffling things around. Can he keep getting 30 touches a week and score consistent 90-105's?

Option 2)
Kelly could face the Hutchings tag this week and cost me important work league matches, he could also break it and go large and win it for me though.

Selling early on Collins who still only has a 43 BE and could go large against Brisbane, whilst Clark appears like he either might not even play this week or play and has less scoring potential than Collins anyway.



Will not have enough to cash to grab Daniel next week. However, may have enough to move Clark to a Worpel if things go right.
The alternative to option 1 is going Worpel over Daniel and then I'll almost certainly have enough cash to execute the Collins to Kelly plan next week.

In the end, weighing all of that up, is it best to go (taking into consideration Kelly possibly tag this week, Collins low BE and good game potential and Daniel/Worpel keeper question-ability):

1) Darling + Collins -> Baker + T.Kelly and Constable + Clark -> Hately + Worpel (the following week)
2) Darling + Clark -> Baker + C.Daniel and Constable + Collins -> Hately + T.Kelly (the following week)
3) Darling + Clark -> Baker + Worpel and Constable + Collins -> Hately + T.Kelly (the following week)



Let me know your thoughts and anyone else if they have an opinion.

Cheers,

Looking at your team, dont you move Moore back week 1 to move on a def for Baker.

Thanks for the responses guys.
Would it change anyone's opinion in the knowledge of the following week if I did to option 1 (Clark and Darling -> Baker and Daniel) that I'd be looking to do Constable and Collins -> Hately and Kelly (via Moore)?


The different approaches to the scenarios and positives and negatives i was looking at is:

Positives
Option 1)
Let Kelly possibly drop in value a little more whilst also avoiding him this week with the possible Hutchings tag and getting him in via Collins the following week.

In this scenario it doesn't seem like a loss waiting one more week on Collins as his BE is only 43 (the same as Clark and appears to be a better scorer than Clark). He is also playing Brisbane who often with their run and gun style blaze into forward 50 a bit too carelessly, opening the door for intercept marks.

Option 2)
Get Kelly in the side now who is likely a top 4 forward and definite keeper all year baring injury in what seems like a certain role for the remainder of the season.

Leaves me with 40k to assess my options next week (will target Hately via Constable or Scott and probably another downgrade unless I can get Clark to Daniel (probably just out of my range with Daniel's BE and only having $400 left if i do option 1).

Negatives:
Option 1)
Only $400 left in the kitty and things can't drastically go astray this week in my plan to be able to get Kelly and Hately via Collins and Constable next week.

Is Daniel a keeper as a top 6-8 forward this year? We don't have a heap of evidence on him and Bevo isn't a stranger to shuffling things around. Can he keep getting 30 touches a week and score consistent 90-105's?

Option 2)
Kelly could face the Hutchings tag this week and cost me important work league matches, he could also break it and go large and win it for me though.

Selling early on Collins who still only has a 43 BE and could go large against Brisbane, whilst Clark appears like he either might not even play this week or play and has less scoring potential than Collins anyway.



Will not have enough to cash to grab Daniel next week. However, may have enough to move Clark to a Worpel if things go right.
The alternative to option 1 is going Worpel over Daniel and then I'll almost certainly have enough cash to execute the Collins to Kelly plan next week.

In the end, weighing all of that up, is it best to go (taking into consideration Kelly possibly tag this week, Collins low BE and good game potential and Daniel/Worpel keeper question-ability):

1) Darling + Collins -> Baker + T.Kelly and Constable + Clark -> Hately + Worpel (the following week)
2) Darling + Clark -> Baker + C.Daniel and Constable + Collins -> Hately + T.Kelly (the following week)
3) Darling + Clark -> Baker + Worpel and Constable + Collins -> Hately + T.Kelly (the following week)



Let me know your thoughts and anyone else if they have an opinion.

Cheers,

Dont you use Moore in week 1 to move a defender on for Baker. Not sure how you mvoe the second defender on, didnt see Burgess in the side.

My thoughts on all these moves (including others) this week.

Clark before Collins if your D8 is week. Good chance Clark is dropped for Touhy and who know if its a rest or omitted. If Burgess who will be come my D8 is dropped, perfect, going down in price and can use him to loophole.

Collins may have maxed with some tough games to come, however, rather have a 50 back up than a donut.

Rotham - gvien Schofield selected last week on Barrass out, dont expect Rothham to be picked. If he is, he could be in and out of the side depending on how many defenders the team is running with.

Re the lack of defenders coming through, we should be upgrading in defence not downgrading.

Tough decisions to come on players coming through versus R10. Mids hard with many still making money including Butters, with Scott the worst however hasnt made much money.

 

[bomberboy]

So you're sold on Baker? I honestly haven't seen much of him, although obviously the scoring on face value is great. You think he can make $200k quickly?

Maybe not 200k, but I reckon he makes 150-175k whilst being a good on-field option. I like that his heat map is in the middle of the ground, just forward of centre.

 

[Herbie66]

Happy to resist the Tiger cheapies (thankfully they are locked out tonight)

Daniel & Laird this week
Hately/Hayes & Kelly the following week.

Hopefully Answerth is not far away to provide a link with Duursma.

 

[McLovin]

I'm thinking just grab Kelly this week, pass on Daniel and Worpel and then look at bringing in a defender next week with Hately or just dobule down and grab Hately and Hayes possibly.

If i had to say right now with cash projections etc it will probably be one of these three options:

Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: Clark + Constable -> B.Smith + J.Hately
or
Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: Clark + Constable -> J.Crisp + W.Hayes
or
Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: B.Scott + Constable -> J.Crisp + W.Hayes (pocket the 275k+)

I'm in the same boat with Darling, but I think I'll get Laird in instead of a forward premo- it just looks like an opportune time to grab him. I'm considering Darling-Baker and Clark-Laird. It leaves me with Moore, Baker and Drew on field, but that's still better than starting Parker.

Clark looks to have maxed out with very little chance of a spike game, so he's best one to chop.

 

[inwhiterooms]

I'm thinking just grab Kelly this week, pass on Daniel and Worpel and then look at bringing in a defender next week with Hately or just dobule down and grab Hately and Hayes possibly.

If i had to say right now with cash projections etc it will probably be one of these three options:

Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: Clark + Constable -> B.Smith + J.Hately
or
Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: Clark + Constable -> J.Crisp + W.Hayes
or
Darling + Collins -> T.Kelly + Baker FOLLOWING WEEK: B.Scott + Constable -> J.Crisp + W.Hayes (pocket the 275k+)

Trading Brodie Smith in? What re you expecting him to average from here?

 

[pizza safety]

Have $309k in the bank. Can just afford Clark (Geel) to Sicily and have roughly 7k left over. Good trade?
Will mean i miss out on both Ross & Baker from Richmond (have Stack already). Any thoughts much appreciated.

Good trade I reckon and he has a good bye. Don’t think either Rookie are must have haves, I’m bringing Baker this week and I don’t expect him to keep scoring 80+. One of Hately and Hayes look necessary to have next week so if you can get one of those you’ll be fine (you already have stack)

I’ll be looking at getting Sic in next week after I downgrade one of my players to one of those two above mentioned mids but might have to settle for Stewart or Ryan if his price gets out of hand.

 

[quite ironic]

Looking at your team, dont you move Moore back week 1 to move on a def for Baker.


Dont you use Moore in week 1 to move a defender on for Baker. Not sure how you mvoe the second defender on, didnt see Burgess in the side.

My thoughts on all these moves (including others) this week.

Clark before Collins if your D8 is week. Good chance Clark is dropped for Touhy and who know if its a rest or omitted. If Burgess who will be come my D8 is dropped, perfect, going down in price and can use him to loophole.

Collins may have maxed with some tough games to come, however, rather have a 50 back up than a donut.

Rotham - gvien Schofield selected last week on Barrass out, dont expect Rothham to be picked. If he is, he could be in and out of the side depending on how many defenders the team is running with.

Re the lack of defenders coming through, we should be upgrading in defence not downgrading.

Tough decisions to come on players coming through versus R10. Mids hard with many still making money including Butters, with Scott the worst however hasnt made much money.

Yeah i made a mistake there no Burgess so it will be T.Kelly/Worpel/Daniel in this week and then next week Crisp/B.Smith or double downgrade of mid rookies to grab Laird/Sicily the week after for Clark/Collins.


I'm thinking Collins to get T.Kelly in as he seems the most sure thing of the forwards even if it means i'd have to double downgrade two mids the week after (with no rookie defenders on the bubble) rather than be able to get Crisp (if I went Daniel or Worpel this week).

Trading Collins over Clark still has Clark D8 and Duursma/Scrimshaw D7 so I think that's the better alternative as even if Collins has a good week this week and rises more than Clark (if clark even plays) he'll only be on my bench anyway.


The worry in grabbing Kelly is next week will almost certainly be a double downgrade as Clark would only get to a 440k or so defender and he might not even play at all this week or next anyway.


That's not enough to take the punt on Daniel/Worpel over Kelly is it when it's just bench scorers anyway that's clouding my thoughts on getting Kelly in or the alternates.

 

[Bones]

Tossing some ideas around. Can't get in Baker but could do LDU to Ross or go early on Hately / Hayes. This would allow me to go 1 up / 1 down next week. LDU has been ordinary since rd 3 (when i traded him in for Hore ).

What do you reckon folks, is it worth trading LDU and, if so, would it be Ross with his dodgy JS or take the risk on a one gamer?

 

[Deeman1]

Really not sure what I can do this week ($74,300 ITB):

Whitfield, Williams, Smith, Scrimshaw, Duursma, Wilkie (Clark, Burgess)
Cripps, Oliver, Coniglio, MCrouch, BCrouch, Liber, Walsh, Constable (Scott, Atkins, Gibbons)
Grundy, Gawn (O'Brien)
Danger, Heeney, Boak, Billings, Moore, Drew (Parker, Bines)

Rookies its to early to trade Scrimshaw, Duursma, Wilkie, Walsh, Constable, Scott, Atkins, Gibbons, O'Brien, Drew, Parker

So that leaves Clark, Burgess, Parker. Burgess not really worth so that really only leaves Parker and Clark.

Had toyed with Grundy out for Telly and Parker to Baker which would leave around $325k to go Schrimshaw to Lloyd next week, but not sure if it is worth the trade to burn Grundy and then have to get him back later. Ideally I would like to get ROB on field, but at the cost of trading Grundy or Gawn is probably not a good move.

Would be looking to get in Baker, Ross???, Hayes, Hately not sure on Lockhart in over the next 2 weeks.

Possibily:

Parker to Baker
Clark to Lockhart

Leaving $266,600 to get in Telly and maybe either Hayes/Hately next week. Anyone else have any ideas?

 

[THCLT]

@quite ironic

I don't think I've ever come across a coach who's as thorough as you are with your trades planning, you certainly leave NO stones unturned. My only worry is whether you remember the best path forward after laying everything out here for all to see!

If anything, your openness in sharing all your possible trade scenarios may enlighten others to see a path forward for their own team which they may not have considered. That in itself is a good thing, plus I enjoy reading your regular updates to your thinking behind your trades...

 

[stephen]

Really not sure what I can do this week ($74,300 ITB):

Whitfield, Williams, Smith, Scrimshaw, Duursma, Wilkie (Clark, Burgess)
Cripps, Oliver, Coniglio, MCrouch, BCrouch, Liber, Walsh, Constable (Scott, Atkins, Gibbons)
Grundy, Gawn (O'Brien)
Danger, Heeney, Boak, Billings, Moore, Drew (Parker, Bines)

Rookies its to early to trade Scrimshaw, Duursma, Wilkie, Walsh, Constable, Scott, Atkins, Gibbons, O'Brien, Drew, Parker

So that leaves Clark, Burgess, Parker. Burgess not really worth so that really only leaves Parker and Clark.

Had toyed with Grundy out for Telly and Parker to Baker which would leave around $325k to go Schrimshaw to Lloyd next week, but not sure if it is worth the trade to burn Grundy and then have to get him back later. Ideally I would like to get ROB on field, but at the cost of trading Grundy or Gawn is probably not a good move.

Would be looking to get in Baker, Ross???, Hayes, Hately not sure on Lockhart in over the next 2 weeks.

Possibily:

Parker to Baker
Clark to Lockhart

Leaving $266,600 to get in Telly and maybe either Hayes/Hately next week. Anyone else have any ideas?

Slightly controversial option would be Libba to tkelly this week then Parker/atkins to hatley /hayes next, setting you up to paint the fence going on from there to the byes.

 

[Herbie66]

@quite ironic

I don't think I've ever come across a coach who's as thorough as you are with your trades planning, you certainly leave NO stones unturned. My only worry is whether you remember the best path forward after laying everything out here for all to see!

If anything, your openness in sharing all your possible trade scenarios may enlighten others to see a path forward for their own team which they may not have considered. That in itself is a good thing, plus I enjoy reading your regular updates to your thinking behind your trades...

I am anxiously awaiting when he opens the Round 12/13 trade thread in the next few hours to see what he is doing with ROB ?

love reading his posts and thoughts and seeing his options , hopefully it works out well for him

 

[bomberboy]

@quite ironic

I don't think I've ever come across a coach who's as thorough as you are with your trades planning, you certainly leave NO stones unturned. My only worry is whether you remember the best path forward after laying everything out here for all to see!

If anything, your openness in sharing all your possible trade scenarios may enlighten others to see a path forward for their own team which they may not have considered. That in itself is a good thing, plus I enjoy reading your regular updates to your thinking behind your trades...

Great post, and very true. I find his posts help remind me to play the game like a stock market - rather than one where I'm trying to collect all the cards.

 

[THCLT]

I am anxiously awaiting when he opens the Round 12/13 trade thread in the next few hours

Don't you go giving him any more ideas...that 'early' creation of the Rd7 trades thread has already confused a few of our members as I've had to move a few posts over to this Rd6 thread.

 

[Rickwood]

Clark out for JLo makes me cash, and as others have stated, the def/mid could be helpful going fwd. 2nd trade is more troubling, but I have gone Parker to Baker - putting 391k in the bank and options on every line going fwd.

Sic dog/Laird probably next week for Collins/Scrim plus one of the mid bubble boys for Butters/Scott

Avoiding the Rocky Daniel temptation

 

[bomberboy]

Fun fact - Witherden has scored 92, his last 3 games!

 

[Herbie66]

Don't you go giving him any more ideas...that 'early' creation of the Rd7 trades thread has already confused a few of our members.

come on , let's just open up all the round threads from today ?

I did notice that confusion , I just need tonight's game to start so I don't get tempted to change my thoughts.

? now how do you create a new thread again

 

[THCLT]

come on , let's just open up all the round threads from today ?

 

[Deeman1]

Slightly controversial option would be Libba to tkelly this week then Parker/atkins to hatley /hayes next, setting you up to paint the fence going on from there to the byes.

Thanks stephen for your thoughts, now that is a plan that had not crossed my mind, but worth considering none less. Much appreciated