Position Midfielder Discussion

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

That’s the max options unfortunately but no one seems too interested in Treloar so I’ll replace him with Oliver.

I am interested in Collingwoods midfield in general. I think with their aging stars like Pendles and sidey, plus Beams leaving means there is a real spot in there for someone to make their own. It might mean Treloar runs roit but he is already a massive possession getter. Maybe that Braydon Sier guy steps up (although from what iv read he doesn't seem A grade quality).

Be interesting to see whether they start using a De goey or Stevenson through their more often if they think they can cover them up forward with another dangerous player. Just my brain ticking over, doh!

 

[IDIG]

I am interested in Collingwoods midfield in general. I think with their aging stars like Pendles and sidey, plus Beams leaving means there is a real spot in there for someone to make their own. It might mean Treloar runs roit but he is already a massive possession getter. Maybe that Braydon Sier guy steps up (although from what iv read he doesn't seem A grade quality).

Be interesting to see whether they start using a De goey or Stevenson through their more often if they think they can cover them up forward with another dangerous player. Just my brain ticking over, doh!

Adams would be the one for me if you felt like gambling. Has a bit of a hidden discount as he went down injured in a game last year and finished the year well with scores of 101, 106, 138, 134, 51 (incl finals). Averaged 107.5 a couple of seasons ago but think he probably misses too many games to be considered.

Otherwise I’d just go Treloar who’s durable and generally pretty consistent. Doesn’t offer much upside but he’s kinda fun to own because he gets so much of it.

I’ll just treat Sier as an expensive rookie. If he looks like getting a regular gig, I’ll start him if I can’t find anyone cheaper.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

I am interested in Collingwoods midfield in general. I think with their aging stars like Pendles and sidey, plus Beams leaving means there is a real spot in there for someone to make their own. It might mean Treloar runs roit but he is already a massive possession getter. Maybe that Braydon Sier guy steps up (although from what iv read he doesn't seem A grade quality).

Be interesting to see whether they start using a De goey or Stevenson through their more often if they think they can cover them up forward with another dangerous player. Just my brain ticking over, doh!

What’s happened to Beams? Did I miss the memo? ?

 

[Presto]

What’s happened to Beams? Did I miss the memo? ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12...-from-afl-to-deal-with-mental-health/11797508
Collingwood star Dayne Beams steps away from AFL to deal with mental health

 

[toxic]

Mitch Duncan might be somebody to consider as a cheaper premium due to Tim Kelly leaving the team if he gets more inside mid time as opposed to time on the wing.

Menegola for this very reason

 

[Connoisseur]

Menegola for this very reason

S Menegola:

Avg between 2016-2018: 100.15 from 47 (10/47 below 80, 23/47 below 100, 12/47 120+)




Wins: 100.58 from 38 (6/38 below 80, 18/38 below 100, 9/38 120+)
2016: 99.33 from 6
2017: 105.68 from 12
2018: 103.85 from 13
2019: 86.86 from 7

Losses: 87.29 from 17 (8/17 below 80, 11/17 below 100, 2/17 120+)
2016: 0 from 0
2017: 84.83 from 6
2018: 94.56 from 9
2019: 62 from 2

Pre Bye: 93.39 from 28 (8/28 below 80, 15/28 below 100, 6/28 120+)
2016: 0 from 0
2017: 98 from 8
2018: 96.77 from 13
2019: 81.86 from 7

Post Bye: 100.75 from 28 (6/28 below 80, 14/28 below 100, 6/28 120+)
2016: 99.33 from 6
2017: 102.09 from 11
2018: 104.78 from 9
2019: 79.5 from 2

Career disposals avg: 23.45
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 24: 111.8 from 25 (2/25 below 80, 6/25 below 100, 9/25 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 24: 85.19 from 31 (12/31 below 80, 23/31 below 100, 3/31 120+)

Career contested possessions avg: 9.45
SC avg when contested possessions equal/exceed 10: 110.13 from 24 (2/24 below 80, 8/24 below 100, 8/24 120+)
SC avg when contested possessions below 10: from 32 87.28 from 32 (12/32 below 80, 21/32 below 100, 4/32 120+)

 

[Grundogging]

I am interested in Collingwoods midfield in general. I think with their aging stars like Pendles and sidey, plus Beams leaving means there is a real spot in there for someone to make their own. It might mean Treloar runs roit but he is already a massive possession getter. Maybe that Braydon Sier guy steps up (although from what iv read he doesn't seem A grade quality).

Be interesting to see whether they start using a De goey or Stevenson through their more often if they think they can cover them up forward with another dangerous player. Just my brain ticking over, doh!

Sier has flashed some serious potential including in the heat of finals and seems to be ticking boxes in his pre-season so far.

I'm bullish on him being the player to step up with Beams looking like he is done - this should have happened last year but some injury issues coupled with a lack of effort off the track curtailed that progression.

There's still some chance Sier could turn out to be a Josh Kennedy type (ie. a clearance bull at the stoppages, stands strong in a tackle even if it's 2 v 1, great hands even under pressure), but he also has a bit of breakaway speed and a booming kick.

Personally as a Pies supporter I think we desperately need someone with a big body who can bash and crash at the stoppages - Wills demonstrated this late last year but he has a far more limited skill set offensively in comparison to Sier.

His 242k asking price is a bit of a issue for SC - at that price point you're almost backing him in to reach M8 territory (perhaps as part of an M8/M9 loop) because his cash gen may come too slow to be able to cash him in for any midfield keeper at the point in time when you should be locking in your full midfield.

 

[lipsunited]

Sier has flashed some serious potential including in the heat of finals and seems to be ticking boxes in his pre-season so far.

I'm bullish on him being the player to step up with Beams looking like he is done - this should have happened last year but some injury issues coupled with a lack of effort off the track curtailed that progression.

There's still some chance Sier could turn out to be a Josh Kennedy type (ie. a clearance bull at the stoppages, stands strong in a tackle even if it's 2 v 1, great hands even under pressure), but he also has a bit of breakaway speed and a booming kick.

Personally as a Pies supporter I think we desperately need someone with a big body who can bash and crash at the stoppages - Wills demonstrated this late last year but he has a far more limited skill set offensively in comparison to Sier.

His 242k asking price is a bit of a issue for SC - at that price point you're almost backing him in to reach M8 territory (perhaps as part of an M8/M9 loop) because his cash gen may come too slow to be able to cash him in for any midfield keeper at the point in time when you should be locking in your full midfield.

do we know anything about the taylor adams injury?

 

[Leroy]

Menegola for this very reason

I was all over Menegola (thinking he was fwd eligible like previous years) until I saw he was mid only.
Paying that price for a mid who won't average more than 100? No thanks.

 

[Grundogging]

do we know anything about the taylor adams injury?

Apparently the moon boot was just precautionary - it's off now and he's set to rejoin training in the new year (although I'd guess he'll start off in the rehab group).

 

[freowho]

Sier has flashed some serious potential including in the heat of finals and seems to be ticking boxes in his pre-season so far.

His 242k asking price is a bit of a issue for SC - at that price point you're almost backing him in to reach M8 territory (perhaps as part of an M8/M9 loop) because his cash gen may come too slow to be able to cash him in for any midfield keeper at the point in time when you should be locking in your full midfield.

I don't think at $242k he has to get close to an M8. I would say $350K should be an M8 and $300K is up for debate but $242K is still cheap enough for a cash cow. You also don't get to cash them all in straight away so he could sit there until the byes.

 

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

Sier has flashed some serious potential including in the heat of finals and seems to be ticking boxes in his pre-season so far.

I'm bullish on him being the player to step up with Beams looking like he is done - this should have happened last year but some injury issues coupled with a lack of effort off the track curtailed that progression.

There's still some chance Sier could turn out to be a Josh Kennedy type (ie. a clearance bull at the stoppages, stands strong in a tackle even if it's 2 v 1, great hands even under pressure), but he also has a bit of breakaway speed and a booming kick.

Personally as a Pies supporter I think we desperately need someone with a big body who can bash and crash at the stoppages - Wills demonstrated this late last year but he has a far more limited skill set offensively in comparison to Sier.

His 242k asking price is a bit of a issue for SC - at that price point you're almost backing him in to reach M8 territory (perhaps as part of an M8/M9 loop) because his cash gen may come too slow to be able to cash him in for any midfield keeper at the point in time when you should be locking in your full midfield.

Thanks for the in-depth reply and information , i'll have to keep an eye on Sier in the preseason games, I still think 250k is very doable if it's a player who's been on a list for years and is going to fill a main midfield role, 80-90 average would be worth it imo below 80 probably not so much.

Lastly, what's his endurance like? when he has played does he have a good tog% or has he struggled to run out games in past?

 

[Darkie]

Thanks for the in-depth reply and information , i'll have to keep an eye on Sier in the preseason games, I still think 250k is very doable if it's a player who's been on a list for years and is going to fill a main midfield role, 80-90 average would be worth it imo below 80 probably not so much.

Lastly, what's his endurance like? when he has played does he have a good tog% or has he struggled to run out games in past?

His TOG is terrible (whether you view that as a good or bad thing), at around 58% last year, and never above 75% for an individual game:

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brayden_Sier.html

 

[lipsunited]

Sier has flashed some serious potential including in the heat of finals and seems to be ticking boxes in his pre-season so far.

I'm bullish on him being the player to step up with Beams looking like he is done - this should have happened last year but some injury issues coupled with a lack of effort off the track curtailed that progression.

There's still some chance Sier could turn out to be a Josh Kennedy type (ie. a clearance bull at the stoppages, stands strong in a tackle even if it's 2 v 1, great hands even under pressure), but he also has a bit of breakaway speed and a booming kick.

Personally as a Pies supporter I think we desperately need someone with a big body who can bash and crash at the stoppages - Wills demonstrated this late last year but he has a far more limited skill set offensively in comparison to Sier.

His 242k asking price is a bit of a issue for SC - at that price point you're almost backing him in to reach M8 territory (perhaps as part of an M8/M9 loop) because his cash gen may come too slow to be able to cash him in for any midfield keeper at the point in time when you should be locking in your full midfield.

I’m bullish on treloar this year. With beams either injured or taking time out of the game, plendles a year older, it’s up to him and Adams + younger guys like de goey, sier etc. sidebottom appeared to play on the wing all year. What are your thoughts?

 

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

His TOG is terrible (whether you view that as a good or bad thing), at around 58% last year, and never above 75% for an individual game:

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brayden_Sier.html

Cheers mate, very important info.

 

[IDIG]

Wills ($338k) and Sier ($243k) are the two they’re referring to.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1211122375640543232

 

[freowho]

So is Dayne Beams definitely out? Not training? Why wouldn't they delist him?

 

[Grundogging]

His TOG is terrible (whether you view that as a good or bad thing), at around 58% last year, and never above 75% for an individual game:

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brayden_Sier.html

Having said that he has has a marked impact in a number of games with low TOG - being an inside clearance player lends itself to racking up SC points quickly.

Sier came in as a bottom-ager from a non-standard pathway and the glaring deficiency was a lack of fitness and endurance.

He finished 11th in our season-opening 2km time trial with a time of 6:36 - not world beating by any means and the 2km time trial itself isn't really a great measure of endurance in isolation, but he's showing some signs of improvement on the track so I'm hoping he shows some real progression across the pre-season and carries that into his on-field form early in the 2020 season.

 

[Grundogging]

I’m bullish on treloar this year. With beams either injured or taking time out of the game, plendles a year older, it’s up to him and Adams + younger guys like de goey, sier etc. sidebottom appeared to play on the wing all year. What are your thoughts?

The problem with Treloar is that he butchers the ball by foot a lot of the time - his DE has always been a bit borderline but his kicking on the run especially is the one problem that restricts him from being elite.

If he could improve his kicking on the run by even just 5-10% over what it is now and actually nail more of the shots at goal he takes on the run (which would push him up around 20 goal per year territory) then it would be a different story.

I suspect what we saw from him at the back end of last year (ie. solid but inconsistent scorer as a POD M7-8) was about as good as we'll ever see from him in fantasy.

 

[Grundogging]

So is Dayne Beams definitely out? Not training? Why wouldn't they delist him?

Taking another (indefinite) break from football as part of the longer term plan to help manage his mental health issues.

There's no ETA on his return at this point in time, but not even being able to handle pre-season training with the rehab group probably isn't a good sign for his prospects in 2020.