Strategy BBL|09: SuperCoach BBL Trades Discussion

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So with 3 trades to burn I have a clean slate and not clear who to get apart from Pattinson.

What I am not totally getting is why are so many of you targeting Heat players right now? Apart from Pattinson and his BE?

I get we need to start to build up for those late DGRs but it’s still a few rounds away for the Heat.

ABD because of who he is and I get that but I feel he could wait.

Mujeeb? Cutting? Lynn? I’m not sure, why would I want them now?
For me it’s because:

- Renegades have the bye
- Hobart player tonight, so affected by the rain

Which gets us to Adelaide and Brisbane. Ideally we’d be bringing in Adelaide players first given the schedule, but I already have two of the ones I want, Carey is not available yet, and there may be more numerous other options in the Brisbane side.
 
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For me it’s because:

- Renegades have the bye
- Hobart player tonight, so affected by the rain

Which gets us to Adelaide and Brisbane. Ideally we’d be bringing in Adelaide players first given the schedule, but I already have two of the ones I want, Carey is not available yet, and there may be more numerous other options in the Brisbane side.
Yeah I was thinking Strikers should form part of 3 trades. Maybe 1 striker, 2 Heat. I think I’ll work on that.
 
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So I’m looking at Livingstone to Mujeeb, and Matt Short to Lynn.

Although it gets rid of an upcoming DGR, he’s not exactly special (nek minit...)

Would then look to do:
Jhye, Cartwright and Bancroft to Head, Wade and perhaps DC next week.

Darcy and Carey in the week after, ABD waits for his double.
 

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He's 4th on my list...:)
You are much better at this game than me, but I’d love to know how close everyone is on your list? I imagine not as far apart as listing them out 1 2 3 4 would appear?

Excluding Cutting, who will most likely get to bat and bowl each game ...

ABdV and Lynn will not bowl.
Mujeeb almost guaranteed to bowl 4 overs.
ABdV and Lynn almost guaranteed to bat.
Mujeeb will bat 1 in 4 innings (on average)

You are a betting man, would you back with certainty that ABdV and Lynn are more likely to score 50 runs than Mujeeb is to get 2 wickets? I put them all close, very close, which puts Lynn and Mujeeb ahead in value. Given a bowler has more opportunity, I would even have Mujeeb as the better value of the three.

Very good chance that I own all 4 by round 13, so just putting the thought out there as others may have to miss one and I don’t feel that Mujeeb should be dismissed easily.
 
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You are much better at this game than me, but I’d love to know how close everyone is on your list? I imagine not as far apart as listing them out 1 2 3 4 would appear?

Excluding Cutting, who will most likely get to bat and bowl each game ...

ABdV and Lynn will not bowl.
Mujeeb almost guaranteed to bowl 4 overs.
ABdV and Lynn almost guaranteed to bat.
Mujeeb will bat 1 in 4 innings (on average)

You are a betting man, would you back with certainty that ABdV and Lynn are more likely to score 50 runs than Mujeeb is to get 2 wickets? I put them all close, very close, which puts Lynn and Mujeeb ahead in value. Given a bowler has more opportunity, I would even have Mujeeb as the better value of the three.

Very good chance that I own all 4 by round 13, so just putting the thought out there as others may have to miss one and I don’t feel that Mujeeb should be dismissed easily.
Mujeeb will be in ahead of Lynn for me. Different come finals though as I'm hoping to have players like Lynn on my bench as loop options given that they can go large. Trouble is, I still have no idea how to loop players:rolleyes:
 

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You are much better at this game than me, but I’d love to know how close everyone is on your list? I imagine not as far apart as listing them out 1 2 3 4 would appear?

Excluding Cutting, who will most likely get to bat and bowl each game ...

ABdV and Lynn will not bowl.
Mujeeb almost guaranteed to bowl 4 overs.
ABdV and Lynn almost guaranteed to bat.
Mujeeb will bat 1 in 4 innings (on average)

You are a betting man, would you back with certainty that ABdV and Lynn are more likely to score 50 runs than Mujeeb is to get 2 wickets? I put them all close, very close, which puts Lynn and Mujeeb ahead in value. Given a bowler has more opportunity, I would even have Mujeeb as the better value of the three.

Very good chance that I own all 4 by round 13, so just putting the thought out there as others may have to miss one and I don’t feel that Mujeeb should be dismissed easily.
This is how I currently view the Heat players...

They play Stars (MCG) and Renegades (Marvel)
  • I'm banking on Lynn/ABvD to have one good score and they have the capacity to go really big so I'm not going to risk not having them purely on that premise.
  • Cutting potentially has that 'perfect' role for this game, open and bowls, similar to Stoinis for the back half of last season. You can almost bank 40-50 a game from him, but if the planets align he could also go massive.
  • Mujeeb could be a major factor considering where they're playing. Only took 1 wicket in each game for those corresponding fixture last season, but they couldn't hit him at all (went 2/34 off 8 overs with 28 dot balls). If he adds another wicket for each game, then he becomes 100+ scorer.
  • There's no doubting Pattinson's brilliance last game but I just don't trust him for some reason. Hasn't really lit it up in the BBL in recent attempts and despite taking 5 wickets last game he still couldn't get any ER bonus. I feel that you're either going to get a game like the one against the Scorchers or hope that you get the one like against the Strikers last game. You would want a mix of the 2 for his DGR to be happy, outside that owners will either be ruing that trade or feeling ecstatic about it. I already have Lynn to take me on that ride so don't need another. He's a must buy for this round if you want him, otherwise, I don't think he will be one of the 'safer' 160K+ buy post this round.
  • Laughlin has the injury cloud, but he's more your consistent 40-50 scorer type and will only go big in the right circumstance. Maybe not against the Stars line up but the Renegades may offer him that ticket.
  • The 2 dark horse will be Lalor & Swepson as wickets will go to someone, if not to Pattinson and Mujeeb, those 2 are next in line. I may take one of them on if I feel that's what I need come their DGR.
  • The rest, you're just really hoping and praying...
 
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This is how I currently view the Heat players...

They play Stars (MCG) and Renegades (Marvel)
  • I'm banking on Lynn/ABvD to have one good score and they have the capacity to go really big so I'm not going to risk not having them purely on that premise.
  • Cutting potentially has that 'perfect' role for this game, open and bowls, similar to Stoinis for the back half of last season. You can almost bank 40-50 a game from him, but if the planets align he could also go massive.
  • Mujeeb could be a major factor considering where they're playing. Only took 1 wicket in each game for those corresponding fixture last season, but they couldn't hit him at all (went 2/34 off 8 overs with 28 dot balls). If he adds another wicket for each game, then he becomes 100+ scorer.
  • There's no doubting Pattinson's brilliance last game but I just don't trust him for some reason. Hasn't really lit it up in the BBL in recent attempts and despite taking 5 wickets last game he still couldn't get any ER bonus. I feel that you're either going to get a game like the one against the Scorchers or hope that you get the one like against the Strikers last game. You would want a mix of the 2 for his DGR to be happy, outside that owners will either be ruing that trade or feeling ecstatic about it. I already have Lynn to take me on that ride so don't need another. He's a must buy for this round if you want him, otherwise, I don't think he will be one of the 'safer' 160K+ buy post this round.
  • Laughlin has the injury cloud, but he's more your consistent 40-50 scorer type and will only go big in the right circumstance. Maybe not against the Stars line up but the Renegades may offer him that ticket.
  • The 2 dark horse will be Lalor & Swepson as wickets will go to someone, if not to Pattinson and Mujeeb, those 2 are next in line. I may take one of them on if I feel that's what I need come their DGR.
  • The rest, you're just really hoping and praying...
Like Patto as a "strike" bowler but no wickets could end up in a disaster long term as historically he really offers nothing else
- Have grabbed him though ...

Mujeeb is an interesting one as I don't see him as a wicket taker .... more of a dot ball / ER bowler ...
- Had the option to turn Henriques into him but decided on Philippe instead .... not looking like a smart trade thus far ..
 

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Mujeeb is an interesting one as I don't see him as a wicket taker .... more of a dot ball / ER bowler ...
- Had the option to turn Henriques into him but decided on Philippe instead .... not looking like a smart trade thus far ..
Matchup is the key with him, I like his prospects against the Renegades and if he gets a crack at the Stars middle order then that's positive as well. The only guys who've taken him on was Watson and DShort last season, the rest just basically tries to get through his overs with preservation of wickets as their priority, similarly to Khan. This will be his 2nd time in the BBL so there's potential for upsides and he has a pretty good floor as well.
 

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Matchup is the key with him, I like his prospects against the Renegades and if he gets a crack at the Stars middle order then that's positive as well. The only guys who've taken him on was Watson and DShort last season, the rest just basically tries to get through his overs with preservation of wickets as their priority, similarly to Khan. This will be his 2nd time in the BBL so there's potential for upsides and he has a pretty good floor as well.
Gee think you sold me on Mujeeb over Lynn this round and maybe getting Lynn next round instead. Mujeeb probably will have me cursing less :ROFLMAO:
 
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Schedule from 17th Jan onwards

Adelaide Strikers (Rd10: Brisbane @ Adelaide Rd11: Hurricanes @ UTAS Stadium Rd12: Stars @ Adelaide and Scorchers @ Optus
Rd13: Hurricanes @ Adelaide)


Brisbane Heat (Rd10: Strikers @ Adelaide Rd11: Renegades @ Gabba Rd12: Sixers @ Gabba Rd13: Stars @MCG and Renegades @ Marvel)

Melbourne Renegades (Rd11: Heat @ Gabba Rd12: Hurricanes @ Marvel Rd 13: Sixers @ SCG and Heat @ Marvel)

Hobart Hurricanes (Rd11: Strikers @ UTAS Stadium Rd12: Renegades @ Marvel and Thunder @ Spotless Rd13: Strikers @ Adelaide)


Adelaide Strikers - Players to Consider
Rashid Khan: Seems like the most obvious trade in for everyone, but is he really going to perform to his price tag? Did ok last match against the Heat, but mainly due to getting some decent runs. ABD seemed to handle him with ease, so might be a lean match today for him. He hasn't had a great record vs Hobart in the past with D'arcy Short and Wade making him nowhere near as effective. Rashid has a genuine weakness vs left-handers and with Jewell thrown into the mix he may struggle in both the Hobart games if the rest of the Striker's bowlers don't make early inroads. The Stars have a good record vs leg spinners as well so taking Rashid through the whole tournament may be a risk. Suspect however he will still average 50-55 in this period because of his batting, so he is a hold if you own him.

Travis Head: Has the pedigree as a T/20 batsman, having scored a ton in a previous edition, but hasn't started as well as expected. Should pump out at least two good scores given he plays on 4 batting friendly wickets. His main issue will be starting against spinners in the next couple of games so hopefully he can find a way to get through those first 10 deliveries and belt out a couple of strong scores. Tipping him to have a big one vs Hobart in Hobart and then against the Scorchers at Optus as he likes the quicker wickets.

Peter Siddle: Ultra-consistent and bowls at the death. Might be out of a few coaches' preferred price rise, he is definitely worth his current tag of 160K as I believe he will pump out some decent scores, so long as the Strikers' batting holds up. Think he might be the key to getting ABD out later today, which would in turn help the reset of the Strikers' bowlers find some success.

Michael Neser: An allrounder at the cheap price of 138K is exactly what we are looking for at this time of the season. Bats 7 and has been preferred to Rashid recently (I have no idea why for the record) and thus should be considered for selection. Benefits from bowling in the PowerPlay, but can go the distance at times. Will have a day out or two in these last 5 matches, so I'm considering trading him in before their match later today.

Jake Weatherald: Hit and miss recently but with games on some good batting wickets could be the POD you need to scale the rankings and get the leg up on your league rivals. I'd be looking at him if you can't afford the top tier premiums or are looking at taking a 4th or 5th Striker in their double.

Jon Wells: This is the under the radar player that is owned by 6% of teams, but is starting to bat in the top 4 due to Matt Short being tossed around the order and Carey missing from their lineup. If you decide to go down this path, remember that Carey will 100% push him back to 5 in the 2nd match of Rd12 (possibly the first match if the international players arrive in time).

Phil Salt: As much as it pains me, Salt has a favourable run home with 3 matches at Adelaide Oval. If you are strapped for cash and need a player for their double and can't afford the others mentioned above, then Salt is a genuine chance of averaging 50+ in the last 5 rounds and therefore should be under consideration. Fields in hot spots as well, so if enough runs are put on the board, he is a high chance of featuring in some wickets.

Not a fan of Short's role in the team and he's likely to bat @ 6 when Carey comes back unless they do something unexpected with their lineup. Stanlake, O'Connor, W.Agar and Conway are a revolving door at the moment as well so would be tough to trust and bring in for their double.

Up Next: Brisbane Heat
 
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Ben Cutting: Has the highs of a Marcus Stoinis and the lows of a Moises Henriques, but with a role that seems to be leaning towards more overs, Ben Cutting is looking more and more like a premium for the rest of the season. It is hoped by yours truly that the Heat keep a similar lineup to last match in order to give Cutting the best chance to bowl 4 overs. The next 3 matches he plays will be where he cashes in I believe.

Chris Lynn: Yes he's had a lean season. Yes I have a love/hate relationship with him, but am I going to bring him into my team? Very very big chance that I do. Probably won't be this round, but I have a feeling he will do very well vs the Strikers today, so don't let his high BE trick you into missing out on the Lynnsanity roller-coaster when its at it's highest.

AB de Villiers: A lazy 73 points the other day has ABD firmly in my sights, but at this stage I want to grab the players that present some value so I can minimise the amount of money I have to spend to get the players I really want for the Heat double. Should average between 65-75 across the next 5 matches so getting him ASAP will mean you get more opportunities at that 'spike' score.

Mujeeb ur Rahman: Highly consistent and has a fair few batsmen to bowl to who aren't great vs spin early on in their innings. Am tipping him to take 7+ wickets (175 points) across his 5 matches and probably get around 80-90 points in economy which would take him to averaging 50+ without dots and fielding points taken into account. I'm extremely confident in him as an option over these next few matches so will be looking to draft him in either this round or next.

James Pattinson: Coming off a 5 fa you might think he is a must have, and whilst I did jump at the chance for his price rise, he is actually a stepping stone to grabbing the likes of ABD and Travis Head for my lineup. Might have another day out in one of the last 5 matches, but more than likely will take 6-7 wickets (150-175 points) across the 5 matches and be unlikely to score many economy points (maybe 20-40) so his average is likely to be in the 45-55 range. Maybe not the premium type player you are after, but will be serviceable for the run home.

Matthew Renshaw: Bit of a smoky here, but he is definitely on the consider list for me if he bats at no.3 again later today. Sneaky chance of bowling again with just the 5 bowlers named last match. Consider if you are desperate for options.

Josh Lalor: Bowls death, finished last year with a bang and with the Heat's form improving from the beginning of the season, you would have to think that Lalor's scores will improve as the Heat's batting becomes more consistent. Consider if you think the Heat are going to put up strong totals for their bowlers to defend. Personally think the Heat will win 4 out of 5 from here, so could be a good shout.

Mitch Swepson: Has some good value if he can keep his place in the XI. Have to watch out for if Laughlin's injury comes good though and whether Swepson has a place in their lineup. Should play at Adelaide, the SCG and Marvel. The other two games I'm uncertain.

Will try and pump out the other two team's write ups after I wake up. If I don't, hopefully the two lists I've given help you all out with your trades.
 
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