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Spoiled. Disclaimer, I didn't watch their games. My Theory is it's a bit of weaker oppenents, team performing better. Seemed to consistently be at around 65% CBAs. I think there is scope for a Ratten coached St Kilda to improve their overall season and thus a higher total output by Ross. My bit of a knock, which is why he won't make my team, is his DT/SC ratio is Treloar like... If I see a change in that and higher CBA attendence over the course of this season to consider next year. Probably won't make a change based on pre-season games. Still happy to take a bet against Lyons though...
Ross has had similar hot streaks in previous years: in 2017 between rounds 2-16 (quite a large sample size really) he went at 110.7
I started him in 2018 based off the year-on-year upward trajectory and that streak and he got me 102.9 from 21 games and was amazingly frustrating - he was often enough used in lockdown roles and would throw out a 50-60.
I don't know if Ratten plans to never make him tag again, but he seems to find ways to go massively missing in games even of his own accord.
Burn man on my never again list. But go ahead
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I started him in 2018 based off the year-on-year upward trajectory and that streak and he got me 102.9 from 21 games and was amazingly frustrating - he was often enough used in lockdown roles and would throw out a 50-60.
I don't know if Ratten plans to never make him tag again, but he seems to find ways to go massively missing in games even of his own accord.
Burn man on my never again list. But go ahead
!
You would be correct had you said 120 instead...
The trio went 100+ on 8 occasions and 110+ twice (R13 & R15).
COL were the only other team which had a trio to match them, Grundy, Treloar & Pendlebury also went 100+ on 8 occasion with four 110+ (including R2 where they all went 130+).
In 2018, that WBD trio went 100+ on 6 occasions and 110+ only in R22.
The trio went 100+ on 8 occasions and 110+ twice (R13 & R15).
COL were the only other team which had a trio to match them, Grundy, Treloar & Pendlebury also went 100+ on 8 occasion with four 110+ (including R2 where they all went 130+).
In 2018, that WBD trio went 100+ on 6 occasions and 110+ only in R22.
You would be correct had you said 120 instead...
The trio went 100+ on 8 occasions and 110+ twice (R13 & R15).
COL were the only other team which had a trio to match them, Grundy, Treloar & Pendlebury also went 100+ on 8 occasion with four 110+ (including R2 where they all went 130+).
In 2018, that WBD trio went 100+ on 6 occasions and 110+ only in R22.
The trio went 100+ on 8 occasions and 110+ twice (R13 & R15).
COL were the only other team which had a trio to match them, Grundy, Treloar & Pendlebury also went 100+ on 8 occasion with four 110+ (including R2 where they all went 130+).
In 2018, that WBD trio went 100+ on 6 occasions and 110+ only in R22.
You would be correct had you said 120 instead...
The trio went 100+ on 8 occasions and 110+ twice (R13 & R15).
COL were the only other team which had a trio to match them, Grundy, Treloar & Pendlebury also went 100+ on 8 occasion with four 110+ (including R2 where they all went 130+).
In 2018, that WBD trio went 100+ on 6 occasions and 110+ only in R22.
The trio went 100+ on 8 occasions and 110+ twice (R13 & R15).
COL were the only other team which had a trio to match them, Grundy, Treloar & Pendlebury also went 100+ on 8 occasion with four 110+ (including R2 where they all went 130+).
In 2018, that WBD trio went 100+ on 6 occasions and 110+ only in R22.
Only going 110+ twice might suggest they can get in each others way and Josh Bruce might help Bont and hurt the other two.
The good thing about the 3 dogs mids is that they have the ability to score huge 150+ scores to compensate for the lower scores.
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Well true that. I did see that post but was genuinely surprised that you'd only got 16 keepers in there given the $saved on various lines that it made me overlook what I think is his first reference! I have him, Lyons and Curnow as my three smokies for Uber premo avg 110+ from sub 100 avg this year.
Need a 17 non-rookie setup. Perhaps seir?
Need a 17 non-rookie setup. Perhaps seir?
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I'll happily take this 'solid but inconsistent 124 average scorer' as my M1...
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If that's what we'd get out of him then yeah I would too - I had him for most of the post-bye run for the record which was nice.
He was noticeably more efficient with his disposal towards the back end of the season but I don't think I'm buying at $615k to start, as much as I love how he leaves it all out on the ground as a Collingwood supporter, especially with it not being clear who is going to be the in-and-under players for us this year (he did a lot more of that last year).
For mine one thing he could do is work on is his kicking for goal, especially the schoolyard on-the-run flying shots from 40-50m out - if he suddenly becomes a 20-25 goal a year mid then that changes things as long as he can also retain some of that increased efficiency.
I should preface this by saying he's far from locked but he's high on my list at that pricepoint.
I see the biggest improvement coming from continuity in his play after a year out of the game. He probably surprised a few of us last year with how many games he played so if he can back that up, with another preseason under his belt (training the house down by all reports) it should help with his touch and ability to run out quarters/games/season. Looking at last year's numbers he did drop off slightly after the bye (32 disp/111 DT/100SC pre bye and 28 disp/104 DT/96 SC post) so it could indicate he slowed down the second half of the year.
How much of a bump that continuity brings is anyone's guess but the flow on effect could lead to increased TOG and improved DE, which were both on the lower side last year or just the ability to run harder for longer.
The Crows have a new coach, which we have seen be a big factor in a team's improvement and they have one of the easiest draws so potentially win more games and get a bigger piece of the pie. Last year Crouch averaged 103sc in wins and 97sc in losses and he strikes me as a player who can put the hurt on when things are going well. Their first half of the year looks pretty good to me with 4 out of 5 games at home, then the Saints, GC, Freo, Mel, Carlton and he also has the Rd 14 bye so i can move him on if need be.
It being a contract year and him not getting a deal done could probably go 2 ways but i'm pretty sure it will drive him to have a big year to bring his price up as he heads into the middle part of his career. He turned 26 this year so he's probably looking for that long term deal to set himself up. Unfortunately i don't have any stats to back this theory up but my gut feel is that it's happened a few times over the years.
Lastly, i'm a sucker for a guy who has a badly skewed DT:SC ratio and shouldn't get tagged because he's at least getting the ball without anyone trying to stop him.... which is half the challenge. If he can pump those numbers up again with increased fitness/touch and the crows being better as a whole, i think 105+ is very achievable and 110-115 within reach.
Clearly, i'm on my own here but those are my reasons anyway. I know there's some pretty clear negatives with a pick like him but the more i look at him, the more i like him.
tl;dr versioin
- continuity
- new coach
- easy draw and start to the year
- Rd 14 bye gives me an out
- contract year
- 108 DT : 98 SC + won't get tagged = scope for improvement
I see the biggest improvement coming from continuity in his play after a year out of the game. He probably surprised a few of us last year with how many games he played so if he can back that up, with another preseason under his belt (training the house down by all reports) it should help with his touch and ability to run out quarters/games/season. Looking at last year's numbers he did drop off slightly after the bye (32 disp/111 DT/100SC pre bye and 28 disp/104 DT/96 SC post) so it could indicate he slowed down the second half of the year.
How much of a bump that continuity brings is anyone's guess but the flow on effect could lead to increased TOG and improved DE, which were both on the lower side last year or just the ability to run harder for longer.
The Crows have a new coach, which we have seen be a big factor in a team's improvement and they have one of the easiest draws so potentially win more games and get a bigger piece of the pie. Last year Crouch averaged 103sc in wins and 97sc in losses and he strikes me as a player who can put the hurt on when things are going well. Their first half of the year looks pretty good to me with 4 out of 5 games at home, then the Saints, GC, Freo, Mel, Carlton and he also has the Rd 14 bye so i can move him on if need be.
It being a contract year and him not getting a deal done could probably go 2 ways but i'm pretty sure it will drive him to have a big year to bring his price up as he heads into the middle part of his career. He turned 26 this year so he's probably looking for that long term deal to set himself up. Unfortunately i don't have any stats to back this theory up but my gut feel is that it's happened a few times over the years.
Lastly, i'm a sucker for a guy who has a badly skewed DT:SC ratio and shouldn't get tagged because he's at least getting the ball without anyone trying to stop him.... which is half the challenge. If he can pump those numbers up again with increased fitness/touch and the crows being better as a whole, i think 105+ is very achievable and 110-115 within reach.
Clearly, i'm on my own here but those are my reasons anyway. I know there's some pretty clear negatives with a pick like him but the more i look at him, the more i like him.
tl;dr versioin
- continuity
- new coach
- easy draw and start to the year
- Rd 14 bye gives me an out
- contract year
- 108 DT : 98 SC + won't get tagged = scope for improvement