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Hi Profesor. I like to select unique players and see that you have selected two players that I have not considered at all (Martin and Atkins). I have read the explanation on Atkins but what are your thoughts on Martin?

For what it is worth I think you should downgrade Young (save 60K), Atkins to a Rookie (200K), Green to a cheaper Rookie (20K) and you get pretty close to being able to upgrade to one more keeper
Hi Mudflap, thanks for your response and suggestions. Regarding Jack Martin, I live in hope that he can realise his potential. 7th year, into a better system hopefully with a better fitness base and support onfield from other players. I expect him to go at least 85, what he actually produces, we'll soon find out, purely speculative from my behalf and glad to see him in Blues colours. Things could change. I've dropped a premium in the midfield to facilitate my midpricer madness in the forward line. This is due to limited options of rookies forward and the unknown of whether any get a game. I'm not comfortable using King on the bench as Ratten has said he might have a spell after round 5, furthermore, KPF's and pocket players don't usually get enough of the ball to score well. Rankine injury cloud. I've picked higher priced rookies to enable me to use the additional cash to upgrade elsewhere if I have to trade them. If I find a lower priced rookie, I'll probably select them, but the higher priced are generally more talented and have a higher probability of getting a game, unless your in a really strong team. ie GWS. I'll review after Marsh 2, so definitely not fixed atm. Appreciate the time taken to review my side.
 

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@Professor

Your 4 MID Premium setup is something I've recently entertained as an emergency team in case we have to pay up for our starting Rookies. However, with 1 less MID, I was able to afford 13 'solid' Keepers in my starting line up inclusive of the expensive Rookies. I can see maybe 11 or 12 at best with your team, just my personal observation/opinion.

Everything I've read on J Martin points towards him being more forward than midfield so limited scope to improve on his scoring output. He's also past that break out zone and seems to have an ESP over the last few years, so you're really hoping for a 'spike' season or a lift in scoring by virtue of being at a new club...?

Adding both Atkins and Vandenberg just exposes your team to more unnecessary risks, especially when either are established or proven scorers.

There's not much we can do now except wait for the Rookies, we're all in that same boat. Hopefully, once the Rookies landscape becomes clearer, you'll have sufficient funds to solidify a couple of your selections to give you a more rounded overall starting team.
 
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What's to say that they will continue to be the Suns of old...? From what I've seen of their game last week, there's a clear change in their approach and it wasn't anything out of the ordinary which should make it sustainable. Much better system and ball movement, only thing that was lacking was their delivery I50, which will come with time, cohesion and confidence.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm pretty bullish on the Suns SC prospect as a whole. They've gradually moved away from being a one-man team (post Ablett) and have recruited sufficient 'role' players to execute on a game plan that should at least make them a more competitive unit as a whole. Players like Hanley, Weller, B Ellis, Miles & Greenwood gives them extra composure through the lines. They already have a lot of hard nuts like MacPherson & Ainsworth which will give them a much harder edge at the stoppages. I know he's only a Rookie, but that Rowell kid is as solid a unit (and player) as I've seen in recent years, wouldn't surprise if he surpass JOM debut season at the Suns back in 2013...and I'm generally very conservative about making 'bold' statement such as this, especially going off only ONE preseason game!
There’s opportunity for improvement and they’ve got some role players and Rowell looks excellent but I still think they’re a long way off.

I expect them to be better than last year but still think they’re bottom 2 or 3, they still don’t have enough good quality players and have a lot of guys on their list who are not good enough to be at any other AFL club.
 

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There’s opportunity for improvement and they’ve got some role players and Rowell looks excellent but I still think they’re a long way off.

I expect them to be better than last year but still think they’re bottom 2 or 3, they still don’t have enough good quality players and have a lot of guys on their list who are not good enough to be at any other AFL club.
Can't argue with your summation and I'm encouraged to see that you have realistic expectation of him.

Personally, I've a stronger lean towards his upside than downside. Durability is the unknown and not good thus far, but it's his first full preseason so that has to count for something.
 
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Can't argue with your summation and I'm encouraged to see that you have realistic expectation of him.

Personally, I've a stronger lean towards his upside than downside. Durability is the unknown and not good thus far, but it's his first full preseason so that has to count for something.
I actually thought he was fairly durable, 22 games in 2018 and 14 in 2019 but played 6 games in the SANFL. He missed a game in 2017 after he got games in the senior side.

He might end up in my team depending on how Tracca goes and how I feel about Tom Lynch.
 
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@Professor

Your 4 MID Premium setup is something I've recently entertained as an emergency team in case we have to pay up for our starting Rookies. However, with 1 less MID, I was able to afford 13 'solid' Keepers in my starting line up inclusive of the expensive Rookies. I can see maybe 11 or 12 at best with your team, just my personal observation/opinion.

Everything I've read on J Martin points towards him being more forward than midfield so limited scope to improve on his scoring output. He's also past that break out zone and seems to have an ESP over the last few years, so you're really hoping for a 'spike' season or a lift in scoring by virtue of being at a new club...?

Adding both Atkins and Vandenberg just exposes your team to more unnecessary risks, especially when either are established or proven scorers.

There's not much we can do now except wait for the Rookies, we're all in that same boat. Hopefully, once the Rookies landscape becomes clearer, you'll have sufficient funds to solidify a couple of your selections to give you a more rounded overall starting team.
Thanks Thanh, can't wait to see all teams play, you're right with Martin, but, never say never. ?
 

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Every time I start to get tempted by Greenwood I can't help but think about Anthony Miles.

Inside mid who couldn't squeeze into the Richmond side, but I believe was best player in the VFL two years running, and very hungry when he finally landed a gig elsewhere.

Played 17 games last year and averaged 84. Only four tons with a best of 118. He averaged higher in 2014, 15 and 16.

If GC have changed their game style and/or improved materially, this may not be a meaningful comparison. With that said, at Greenwood's price you're picking him as a forward keeper, whereas Miles didn't even end up being a good mid stepping stone starting at $342k.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pu-gold-coast-suns--anthony-miles
 
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Every time I start to get tempted by Greenwood I can't help but think about Anthony Miles.

Inside mid who couldn't squeeze into the Richmond side, but I believe was best player in the VFL two years running, and very hungry when he finally landed a gig elsewhere.

Played 17 games last year and averaged 84. Only four tons with a best of 118. He averaged higher in 2014, 15 and 16.

If GC have changed their game style and/or improved materially, this may not be a meaningful comparison. With that said, at Greenwood's price you're picking him as a forward keeper, whereas Miles didn't even end up being a good mid stepping stone starting at $342k.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pu-gold-coast-suns--anthony-miles
I don't understand the Greenwood pick.
Dew has talked about a more attacking game style this year. (I don't understand why you just don't try and play "properly" from day 1). Gold Coast mids have to start scoring better at some stage. I can see Greenwood maybe doing a CEY and averaging 90-95 but even at 95 his starting price and scoring won't hurt non owners. There is no need to take the risk.
I'm all for the POD but you have to at least think their price gives you a big leg-up or their scoring blows non owners out of the water.
 
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I don't understand the Greenwood pick.
Dew has talked about a more attacking game style this year. (I don't understand why you just don't try and play "properly" from day 1). Gold Coast mids have to start scoring better at some stage. I can see Greenwood maybe doing a CEY and averaging 90-95 but even at 95 his starting price and scoring won't hurt non owners. There is no need to take the risk.
I'm all for the POD but you have to at least think their price gives you a big leg-up or their scoring blows non owners out of the water.
Might be from Roos coaching manual , learn to all defend first and be able to maintain possession and keep possession.

Work on all the defending aspects.

I remember Roos saying when he went to Melbourne that he wished he could cover up the scoreboard and just play the game without the scores being a factor.

Once they learn to defend , then they can learn to attack.


I agree about Greenwood , unless he comes out blasting his price won't change too much , so many prospective breakouts the "safe" way might be to start 2-3 of Whitfield , Walters , Martin & Heeney and wait.

Pick the wrong breakout from the start and you might be tempted to keep holding and hoping they come good.
 

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My latest side.

Young is a placeholder until we know more about the reason he's not been around so far. Other rookies can be adjusted as needed.
Too deep in the mids. Rowell and Pickett are likely to be two of the best if not the two best cash cows this season so you will have one wasted on the bench each week.

Having to rely on a total of nine rookie priced players across DEF and FWD is just asking for trouble too imo.
 

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I don't understand the Greenwood pick.
Dew has talked about a more attacking game style this year. (I don't understand why you just don't try and play "properly" from day 1). Gold Coast mids have to start scoring better at some stage. I can see Greenwood maybe doing a CEY and averaging 90-95 but even at 95 his starting price and scoring won't hurt non owners. There is no need to take the risk.
I'm all for the POD but you have to at least think their price gives you a big leg-up or their scoring blows non owners out of the water.
I’m not seeing it either. I just remember how disappointing expecting 27/28 yo players to breakout has been in the past (*cough* Lumumba, Tuohy).
 
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Too deep in the mids. Rowell and Pickett are likely to be two of the best if not the two best cash cows this season so you will have one wasted on the bench each week.

Having to rely on a total of nine rookie priced players across DEF and FWD is just asking for trouble too imo.
Pickett M9 is one of the unfortunate weak points, and it's definitely risky.

It really needs the D6/7 and F6/7 types to make a lot of $$$ to counter the natural midfield price regression.
 
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