Position Midfielder Discussion

[Grundogging]

Interesting the amount of strapping he went into the game on that shoulder, not unusual for guys to where strapping but coincidental it’s popped. He’s always worn strapping though I thought but I’m not aware he’s had shoulder issues unless it was as a junior

He literally did it with a fairly gentle nudge into the back of Kennedy at a stoppage - nothing in it at all, no force, no impact, nothing and it fully popped out without going back in.

I don't think I've seen anything like it from a player who wasn't already having issues with his shoulder popping out.

 

[Hondo]

Dunkley had premium form for the second half of 2018 too, hence why a lot of teams (myself included) started him in 2019.

Technically it was just the last 6 games of 2018. Not the whole second half of the season.

Enough for me to start him too available as a FWD $500kish. But understandably not enough for others.

Last year 4 really huge scores drove his average up. Is that sustainable? I don’t know either way.

 

[Bomber18]

Had a look at the Libba/No Libba splits of the Doggies mids. Sharing if of interest to others, but I didn't really learn much else new re Macrae and Bont. Macrae had a small boost without Libba, Dunkley had a fairly large boost without Libba.

 

[Professor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1233892620587294720

 

[Hondo]

On Dunkley how do we rate his efficiency and match influencing capability? Some players like Rocky have had massive short term spikes based on insane stats but can’t keep it up unless the insane stats keep up. Where does Dunkley rate?

I remember after 2014 when Rocky went at 131 he was hyped as a lock but has never gone near that again, partly due to injury but partly because he was never an elite ball user.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Had Dunkley when he debuted, start of last year and start of preseason this year - post the Marsh game I took him out.

The Libba factor could be an issue, although where and when he plays he is uncertain.

He has one kryptonite, Bont. When Bont plays exclusively midfield, it hurts Dunkley. Unlike Libba impact, it is not his midfield time the issue. This differs with Macrae who scores well with both of them.

Bont gets his hands on the ball when ordinarily Dunks would is my guess. Whether designed this way I dont know, although Bonts kick is 3x better than Dunks, so maybe they set up different.

Noticeable in last few games of last year that Bont played more exclusive mids. When he gets tagged, they sometimes move Bont forward which is helpful to Dunkley.

We also saw once when Bont was moved forward in a game, Dunks was tagged which hurt him. Bit like Olivier in his 2nd year, he received just a couple of tags, then last year we saw the full impact.

Now I dont expect Dunks to get tagged too much, but he may sit in front of Macrae. This is a small issue. Main issue is with additional forwards, if Bont sits in the midfield more then it could take away from Dunks.

the Marsh game showed this, although, we are yet to see how it plays out when Bont is getting the attention.

Also why if going Petracca you also pick Olivier. If Petracca gets attention then Olivier goes big. The reverse could be the same as well if Petracca has the tank for midfield and if Olivier gets attention, he could surprise us all.

Sorry, this conversation was too one sided!

 

[Bomber18]

Had Dunkley when he debuted, start of last year and start of preseason this year - post the Marsh game I took him out.

The Libba factor could be an issue, although where and when he plays he is uncertain.

He has one kryptonite, Bont. When Bont plays exclusively midfield, it hurts Dunkley. Unlike Libba impact, it is not his midfield time the issue. This differs with Macrae who scores well with both of them.

Bont gets his hands on the ball when ordinarily Dunks would is my guess. Whether designed this way I dont know, although Bonts kick is 3x better than Dunks, so maybe they set up different.

Noticeable in last few games of last year that Bont played more exclusive mids. When he gets tagged, they sometimes move Bont forward which is helpful to Dunkley.

We also saw once when Bont was moved forward in a game, Dunks was tagged which hurt him. Bit like Olivier in his 2nd year, he received just a couple of tags, then last year we saw the full impact.

Now I dont expect Dunks to get tagged too much, but he may sit in front of Macrae. This is a small issue. Main issue is with additional forwards, if Bont sits in the midfield more then it could take away from Dunks.

the Marsh game showed this, although, we are yet to see how it plays out when Bont is getting the attention.

Also why if going Petracca you also pick Olivier. If Petracca gets attention then Olivier goes big. The reverse could be the same as well if Petracca has the tank for midfield and if Olivier gets attention, he could surprise us all.

Sorry, this conversation was too one sided!

Great post! You definitely raise an interesting point re Bont.

Just looking at the chart, seems like there are a lot of times where you see red for Bont and green for Dunkley. Also see more greens for both Dunkley and Macrae in the same game and only one for Dunkley/Bont in R7.

 

[Bomber18]

On Dunkley how do we rate his efficiency and match influencing capability? Some players like Rocky have had massive short term spikes based on insane stats but can’t keep it up unless the insane stats keep up. Where does Dunkley rate?

I remember after 2014 when Rocky went at 131 he was hyped as a lock but has never gone near that again, partly due to injury but partly because he was never an elite ball user.

It’s a good point. I reckon Bont and Macrae have a better capacity to influence games, especially Bont.

Dunkley’s average is boosted by 4 massive games.
173 v Carlton
202 v Melbourne
153 v Essendon
169 v GWS

The Essendon and GWS games were huge wins whilst the Carlton and Dees games were closer, but both were much weaker opposition.

Bont's average in those four games was only 99. I don't really have a reason why, but perhaps it's for reasons highlighted by GFB or that Bont does not beat up on the weaker opponents like Dunkley does.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

It’s a good point. I reckon Bont and Macrae have a better capacity to influence games, especially Bont.

Dunkley’s average is boosted by 4 massive games.
173 v Carlton
202 v Melbourne
153 v Essendon
169 v GWS

The Essendon and GWS games were huge wins whilst the Carlton and Dees games were closer, but both were much weaker opposition.

Bont's average in those four games was only 99. I don't really have a reason why, but perhaps it's for reasons highlighted by GFB or that Bont does not beat up on the weaker opponents like Dunkley does.

I think Bont attracted taggers in some of those games. This allows Dunkley to get first use of the ball I expect.

until late in season if Bont was tagged he went forward. What was impressive by Bont is the lift in his floor in those games.

 

[Hot Shame]

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It’s a good point. I reckon Bont and Macrae have a better capacity to influence games, especially Bont.

Dunkley’s average is boosted by 4 massive games.
173 v Carlton
202 v Melbourne
153 v Essendon
169 v GWS

The Essendon and GWS games were huge wins whilst the Carlton and Dees games were closer, but both were much weaker opposition.

Bont's average in those four games was only 99. I don't really have a reason why, but perhaps it's for reasons highlighted by GFB or that Bont does not beat up on the weaker opponents like Dunkley does.

You could also make a case that Dunks ave is reduced from starting fwd early in the season. Dunks has flourished from a SC view since being a perma mid. Doggies on the improve an i dont see Dunks growth slowing yet. The kid is fit and a SC jet.

 

[Bermi]

Anyone starting Jelly, worried he only has one home ground game in first 7 rounds? This might not matter, he probably scores well anywhere.

Josh Kelly had Hip, Groin and Knee injuries, too injury prone for me. Maybe he's over them as he had a good preseason so far, hmmm.

 

[Bermi]

RE: Bontempelli's injuries.
Besides missing 3 games in 2018 due to his appendix being removed, he has played all games from the start of 2016. Doesn't seem like he had any serious injuries.

 

[Bontempele]

On Dunkley how do we rate his efficiency and match influencing capability? Some players like Rocky have had massive short term spikes based on insane stats but can’t keep it up unless the insane stats keep up. Where does Dunkley rate?

I remember after 2014 when Rocky went at 131 he was hyped as a lock but has never gone near that again, partly due to injury but partly because he was never an elite ball user.

Though Dunkley was much more contested than Rocky. He had the 3rd most contested possessions after round 7. Rocky relied on a lot of cheap kicks.

Dunks and Fyfe were also the only two players to be top 10 for both pre and post clearance CPs (Prospectus). So he's got a fantastic ability to hunt the footy, and clearly has a bit of pace to follow the ball post clearance as well.

 

[freowho]

Though Dunkley was much more contested than Rocky. He had the 3rd most contested possessions after round 7. Rocky relied on a lot of cheap kicks.

Dunks and Fyfe were also the only two players to be top 10 for both pre and post clearance CPs (Prospectus). So he's got a fantastic ability to hunt the footy, and clearly has a bit of pace to follow the ball post clearance as well.

Rocky is one of the best readers of the play I've seen. He's either getting the ball coming out of a pack or tackling someone else who got it. He's also very good at sitting in space when the opposition are trying to clear their backline, marking the bail out kick and then chip kicking to a team mate in space in his own forward 50. He seemed to get so many points for the intercept and the assist.

 

[THCLT]

Poll has been reset after Marsh 1.

 

[Professor]

Refer post 765 in HS SC Articles, Harmes to play back flank, allowing Brayshaw more mid time and Viney set to tag.

 

[Agent 47]

Sounds like Leon might play de Boer forward and give his midfield spot to one of the young lads. No more tags?!

 

[Professor]

Has anyone wanting to start Treloar prior to his hammy, thought about keeping him if you had a 5 premo midfield? He would become a great pod if not starting round 1 only. Coaches have finalised their line-ups and wouldn't bring him in until confirming he was over the hammy and scoring well. There's obviously a bit of risk involved, but I'd think there wouldn't be too many willing to burn a trade so early.

 

[Zagbag]

Has anyone wanting to start Treloar prior to his hammy, thought about keeping him if you had a 5 premo midfield? He would become a great pod if not starting round 1 only. Coaches have finalised their line-ups and wouldn't bring him in until confirming he was over the hammy and scoring well. There's obviously a bit of risk involved, but I'd think there wouldn't be too many willing to burn a trade so early.

There was a Treloar shaped cloud of smoke hovering in his place, a mere 30 seconds after he got injured.

At this stage downloading to T. Kelly and fixing a couple of rookie options, but may also go up to Danger.

 

[aps1]

Has anyone wanting to start Treloar prior to his hammy, thought about keeping him if you had a 5 premo midfield? He would become a great pod if not starting round 1 only. Coaches have finalised their line-ups and wouldn't bring him in until confirming he was over the hammy and scoring well. There's obviously a bit of risk involved, but I'd think there wouldn't be too many willing to burn a trade so early.

He only becomes a great POD if he outscores his price by 10+ points.
You would have to be fairly certain he plays rd2, and even then does he start slowly?