Position Ruck Discussion

[Herbie66]

Another option to starting Naismith over Gawn and then trying to work out how to get Naismith - > Gawn easily eventually would be to actually start a injury prone midfield premium for 6-8 weeks and then at the first sign of injury sideways them to Gawn (via DPP) , play Naismith as R3 until he maxed out in price then upgrade him to a fallen mid premium around $ 525-550k.

Just a thought

EDIT

Doesn't Danger always drop nicely around Round 6-8 ?

 

[jaca]

Only 19% of teams have Grawndy. So it's more of a POD to have them both .

 

[frosty1]

Gee this thread blew up today but Naismith still only has a 2.1% ownership so it's still a huge POD play.

And I would imagine 2.0% running Naismith at R3 as insurance for NN, and 0.1% running him at R1/2.

 

[Philzsay]

Only 19% of teams have Grawndy. So it's more of a POD to have them both .

I'm still in the 19%. I'm giving Gawn right down to the opening weekend to get himself right for my team. Hopefully it works out!

 

[GrainFedBeef]

I am also struggling to keep up on this thread and I am on holidays checking in every few hours!

Hadn't considered Naismith (forgot he was back, so thanks to this site once again!), can we take a step back though when considering this.

@NT.Thunder is correct in that we first need to assume Gawn will be his normal dominate self and come down by price deflation as normal.

Naismith helps other lines although needs to go up. His prior scoring is not super strong, does anyone know did he share the ruck with Callum Sinclair, looks like he did, maybe 60/40. Are we confident this has changed?

I have used Lycett in this role previously when he was $250k and my mood varied depending whether you had a 40 or a 75 out of him. He finally went on a roll of good scores.

80 from Naismith would be good, would likely make $125k out of him w/out a spike score. Can he do this?

 

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

Are you planning any F rookies onfield or the breakout/mid-price madness lottery game ?

If Naismith is viable over Gawn I will have zero-one rookie on field up forward. Depends how rookies on other lines pan out. I have been willing to go light in defence for months now, just need the backline rookies to show.

 

[donnybuang]

How much faith do people put in to the 2nd half of 2019. Let's say there's a guy who averaged nearly 120+ during that time, would you favour him?

 

[stephen]

How much faith do people put in to the 2nd half of 2019. Let's say there's a guy who averaged nearly 120+ during that time, would you favour him?

not if he's old

 

[donnybuang]

not if he's old

What if he's about 27?

 

[stephen]

What if he's about 27?

I guess it comes down to the reasons you think the second half last year was better than his previous scoring. If you predict those conditions to continue then it could be a good sign of things to come. Usually I would be wary of thinking one half of a season as more representative of likely output than the rest of his career though, with some possible exceptions. (not sure who you're talking about though. originally assumed Goldstein)

 

[Eagling]

Most teams I see are spending way too much on top end premiums. In the past you might have 2, maybe 3 mids above $600k with a defender, ruck and forward at $550k.
I've seen so many teams with Gawn and Grundy who are $700k and 4 mids above $600k and Whitfield at $600k. Should be fine by supercoach finals but you'll be way back for the $50k.
Most coaches also seem torn who to leave out of the mids with analysis of the draw and preseason fitness a priority. Surely Gawn ticks both those boxes for exclusion.
I understand rucks are more difficult to fix and I wouldn't take a bad pick just for the sake of it but Gawn looks like a trade in target to me. If I can find someone with job security who can make some cash and outscore their price at R2 it's a deal.

You're paying a premium for quality. Decent value in defence and breakout contenders up forward. Definitely need to spend big because the gap between 115+ and the rest will be stark.

 

[Stormzy]

What if he's about 27?

assuming lycett

 

[donnybuang]

assuming lycett

Yep

I guess it comes down to the reasons you think the second half last year was better than his previous scoring. If you predict those conditions to continue then it could be a good sign of things to come. Usually I would be wary of thinking one half of a season as more representative of likely output than the rest of his career though, with some possible exceptions. (not sure who you're talking about though. originally assumed Goldstein)

Can't say I saw him play enough to know why the improvement.

 

[frosty1]

Yep


Can't say I saw him play enough to know why the improvement.

I'd say it was role. (without having anything to back this up, but as an owner from Rd 1 last year who rode the ups and downs with him in my forward line as the ruck backup). As the year went on I felt he was spending more time in the ruck consistently, as they moved away from Ryder.

I'd be somewhat confident in backing Lycett in this year, although a part of me thinks they'll want to get ruck time into Ladhams (enough that I have Ladhams at F4 as that R/F swing back up). I'll be watching the Marsh 3 numbers with interest.

 

[donnybuang]

I'd say it was role. (without having anything to back this up, but as an owner from Rd 1 last year who rode the ups and downs with him in my forward line as the ruck backup). As the year went on I felt he was spending more time in the ruck consistently, as they moved away from Ryder.

I'd be somewhat confident in backing Lycett in this year, although a part of me thinks they'll want to get ruck time into Ladhams (enough that I have Ladhams at F4 as that R/F swing back up). I'll be watching the Marsh 3 numbers with interest.

Seems Ladhams only plays when Lycett is injured as a general rule. But they may want him to develop more this year.

 

[whiteTiga2k]

assuming lycett

Had him last year and after a huge 140 or something, was then dropped for the next 3 weeks and effectively destroyed my season. He was in ripping SC form too...

SO i wouldn't go near him ever again because of Port.

 

[Herbie66]

If Naismith is viable over Gawn I will have zero-one rookie on field up forward. Depends how rookies on other lines pan out. I have been willing to go light in defence for months now, just need the backline rookies to show.

I am hoping to get at least 3 of Cameron , King , Rankine & Xerri named Round 1 , must have been another 6-8 at that price in Marsh 1 & 2 so fingers crossed.

Probably happy to go 4 deep in the forward lines (not 100% on Bonar & Hill , a few others around similar price) , don't really like to completely "lock" in a line from the start but ultimately we will build our teams from where the best rookies are named.

I have my all non-profit back line written down just in case.

 

[Connoisseur]

Another option to starting Naismith over Gawn and then trying to work out how to get Naismith - > Gawn easily eventually would be to actually start a injury prone midfield premium for 6-8 weeks and then at the first sign of injury sideways them to Gawn (via DPP) , play Naismith as R3 until he maxed out in price then upgrade him to a fallen mid premium around $ 525-550k.

Just a thought

EDIT

Doesn't Danger always drop nicely around Round 6-8 ?

Considering a similar move but with D Hannebery at M6 and Nic Nat at R2 in place of Naismith and an injury prone mid premium. Early injury to either will allow T Green/mid rookie and M Gawn to come in assuming there are no large price changes and I have sufficient cash lying around. If they both stay fit, then they have shown they’re capable of combining for 190-220 on a weekly basis.

 

[Connoisseur]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1234587696284102656

 

[Nathan]

Another option to starting Naismith over Gawn and then trying to work out how to get Naismith - > Gawn easily eventually would be to actually start a injury prone midfield premium for 6-8 weeks and then at the first sign of injury sideways them to Gawn (via DPP) , play Naismith as R3 until he maxed out in price then upgrade him to a fallen mid premium around $ 525-550k.

Just a thought

EDIT

Doesn't Danger always drop nicely around Round 6-8 ?

Or just bring him in the normal way using your cows.