Position Ruck Discussion

[randomcliche]

While we're on this topic...Are there any non-GG coaches out there...? If so, please feel free to chime in with your 2c worth.

Yeah I've got a 1 Feb 'full training' rule. I've had Nic Nat locked in for a while. All this doomsday talk has me considering ceglarge to provide cover.... but I'll look to the basement rucks first.

 

[aps1]

Yes that’s right sort of, the cash difference isn’t a Neale/Macrae type but a low end premium as yr probably replacing a Budarick or $117k rookie price player (worst midfield rookie option) and the other rookies shuffle one place down No? So it’s yr old M8 being replaced.

For points yes, you are shuffling your m8 to m9.
For cash gen its removing your worst option for Naismith.

 

[Herbie66]

I looked at this but to me you lose all the real benefits of choosing Naismith. Here yr selecting him as a $250k cash cow but not capitalising on his scores on field. If you think he’s worthy of being a solid cash cow you’re expecting him to score well.

Maybe my R2 is a F/R ?

Given the likelihood we may actually have 3 donuts on our midfield benches , I may see him as the best option of a cash cow.

Dew may well decide to ease and rotate the likes of Anderson , Budarick , Flanders , Rowell , Sharp etc in 3-4 game spurts , they surprisingly have several options to run through the mids.

As you know GWS probably have 26 who could all play Round 1 not counting Ward & Williams so Green's JS might be shaky at best.

Graham , Ross , Stack etc want to play in Richmond's side , how secure is Pickett ?

Cameron , CCJ , De Koning , Jackson , Xerri , Williams etc could all be named Round 1 and be better options.

Naismith may not even be selected Round 1 and Longmire decides Allir & Reid can back Sinclair up , when (if) Franklin returns who misses out of Naismith & Sinclair ?

Maybe Allir Rucks and Brand & Melican play defensive posts.

Maybe my R2 & Naismith get close to $ 400k each and by Round 12 I want Lycett (Ladhams) or Marshall is suddenly the new R1 in the comp.

Nothing is in concrete yet , just some ideas and thoughts.

EDIT

My R2 is Jacobs

 

[NT.Thunder]

For points yes, you are shuffling your m8 to m9.
For cash gen its removing your worst option for Naismith.

Agree, but cash generation differs substantially between a $120k rookie to a $250k rookie like Naismith so it’s apples and oranges again.

 

[THCLT]

While we're on this topic...Are there any non-GG coaches out there...? If so, please feel free to chime in with your 2c worth.

Just for clarity, my plea was for any coaches not running BOTH Grundy & Gawn…

 

[Herbie66]

So for those locking in Grundy & Gawn , hypothetical what happens if Marshall or ROB lift their game to their levels this season or English reaches it 1 season quicker than anticipated.

The option of getting Marshall bye free in Round 12 - > could be very attractive

 

[aps1]

Agree, but cash generation differs substantially between a $120k rookie to a $250k rookie like Naismith so it’s apples and oranges again.

What?? Cash generation is still cash generation. If your $120k rookie (last picked player) doesn’t play then you get $0. Yes it could be a Sydney Stack, but that is the difference in a simple X v Y.

 

[Herbie66]

Just for clarity, my plea was for any coaches not running BOTH Grundy & Gawn…

Hahaha

I was the first to suggest the Sauce and Smith Brothers option.

R1 Sauce , R2 Z Smith , R3 N Smith

 

[Hondo]

Yes that’s right sort of, the cash difference isn’t a Neale/Macrae type but a low end premium as yr probably replacing a Budarick or $117k rookie price player (worst midfield rookie option) and the other rookies shuffle one place down No? So it’s yr old M8 being replaced.

For example, in my side I could get Gawn by Whitfield down to Georgiades and putting Rankine F6, Taylor F5

Whitfield/Naismith v Gawn/rookie forward

110/80 v 125/55? Insert your own numbers but even if it’s even points I have an 80ppg cash cow v a 50ppg cash cow.

I’d do it if we had a second forward rookie looking at 80.

 

[Tails]

For example, in my side I could get Gawn by Whitfield down to Georgiades and putting Rankine F6, Taylor F5

Whitfield/Naismith v Gawn/rookie forward

110/80 v 125/55? Insert your own numbers but I’d it’s even I have an 80ppg cash cow v a 50ppg cash cow.

I’d do it if we had a second forward rookie looking at 80.

Second FWD rookie looking at 80 .... are you serious or was this a typo ??

 

[Hondo]

Second FWD rookie looking at 80 .... are you serious or was this a typo ??

Well yes exactly that’s my point. I’m not seeing one.

 

[Herbie66]

Second FWD rookie looking at 80 .... are you serious or was this a typo ??

Beat me to it , hope he shares

 

[NT.Thunder]

What?? Cash generation is still cash generation. If your $120k rookie (last picked player) doesn’t play then you get $0. Yes it could be a Sydney Stack, but that is the difference in a simple X v Y.

No what I’m saying is the rate of cash generation changes, Naismith is required to a average substantially more to build on the cash already invested in his starting price.

 

[NT.Thunder]

For example, in my side I could get Gawn by Whitfield down to Georgiades and putting Rankine F6, Taylor F5

Whitfield/Naismith v Gawn/rookie forward

110/80 v 125/55? Insert your own numbers but even if it’s even points I have an 80ppg cash cow v a 50ppg cash cow.

I’d do it if we had a second forward rookie looking at 80.

It does come down to what you think Naismith May average, 80 is optimistic, I for whatever reason can’t confidently see this and at this stage not willing to take the risk. I’m also worried if I went Naismith and Gawn doesn’t drop in price than that’s a big chunk of coin I need to find already in a low cash generation season. Where for me I’ll need to fund an additional upgrade in the midfield which we’ve seen over previous years can be done easily around $550k or less with several options.
I don’t know who this upgrade might be but starting Naismith you are committing to Gawn pretty much (let’s be honest) and his price won’t be negotiable.

 

[aps1]

No what I’m saying is the rate of cash generation changes, Naismith is required to a average substantially more to build on the cash already invested in his starting price.

Understand that, and obviously wouldn’t pick if didn’t think that was possible. It also whether your m11 is getting regular games and averaging 50+. And whether the difference is worth any points loss.

Just qualifies the difference in the two approaches.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Understand that, and obviously wouldn’t pick if didn’t think that was possible. It also whether your m11 is getting regular games and averaging 50+. And whether the difference is worth any points loss.

Just qualifies the difference in the two approaches.

Yeah that’s right, but without looking at the numbers I’d guess a $115k rookie averaging 60 would make $100k quicker than a $250k player averaging 80. Again with both sides it comes down to invested money elsewhere also. Now I just need to find a $115k rookie that will average 60 ???

 

[THCLT]

Now I just need to find a $115k rookie that will average 60 ???

Hibberd...if and when he's fit to play!

 

[jobeywatto]

Another aspect of picking Gawn is the value of captaincy. He rotates so well with Grundy for VC/C this year - I think it's something like 16/22 rounds you can use this combo if you have a North player as your FD (Comben). Just having that 125-130ppg player who isn't really susceptible to tags that you can captain with confidence is so reassuring. It can sometimes be a struggle selecting a decent captain from your midfielders.

 

[Yikes]

Has Goldstein always performed better in the latter half of the season or just the last 2 years? So such having such a large variance, anyone have an explanation for this?

 

[Kidult]

This is simply not true and what has been hard to convince people of, he was back running first week of February

I'm wondering what peoples thoughts would be if Gawn hadn't of been injured and whether people are self justifying the selection of Naismith putting it down to Gawn's amputated leg this pre-season.

With their new fitness Guru im backing he had done alot more work still missing a month than in any other previous preseason