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[KLo30]

Wade

8 , 33
30 , 40
13 , 4
45 , 0

Average 21.6

Context is needed.


Selectors and/or Captain need dropping before Wade in many of the arguments on context.

We've been here in the 80s with selections, however the Shield gave us answers for the solution. It aren't here now with half of it being played when the international season is done and dusted.


Given world uncertainty, and ceasing the need to fast track player development, I'd grab 6 "teams" in the Far North and play a short season of 4 day games in July and August. Australia, New Zealand and hand picked Asians (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) players split into teams playing in the Northern Territory and FNQ (Cairns, Townsville)

Expand on the idea as much as you like, but keep the concept towards developing aussies as the priority.

 

[Herbie66]

Context is needed.


Selectors and/or Captain need dropping before Wade in many of the arguments on context.

We've been here in the 80s with selections, however the Shield gave us answers for the solution. It aren't here now with half of it being played when the international season is done and dusted.


Given world uncertainty, and ceasing the need to fast track player development, I'd grab 6 "teams" in the Far North and play a short season of 4 day games in July and August. Australia, New Zealand and hand picked Asians (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) players split into teams playing in the Northern Territory and FNQ (Cairns, Townsville)

Expand on the idea as much as you like, but keep the concept towards developing aussies as the priority.

I like that idea a lot.

I recall years ago something similar involving Australia A , India A & South Africa A , think that may have been a mixture of 4 day games and 1 day games.

McDermott is gathering more and more support and has a first class average of less than 35 , so not quite sure if he is the answer.

Hard to make change for the South African series though without any cricket to go on

So they either stick with Wade , go back to Head or the other option is Henriques or add a Maddinson/McDermott.

Paine's captaincy certainly has dropped off rapidly in the last few tests.

Do they try Cummins or go back to Smith ?

 

[mike89]

I wonder how much the upcoming schedule will spook the selectors off making large scale change at the top. You have the World Test Championship final in June and then a home Ashes series - I've been thinking for a while that the obvious target for Paine is Lord's but then you throw say, Alex Carey, straight into the fire on debut, and potentially a new captain on top of that. It would be a big risk.

 

[Herbie66]

Wade hasn't passed 50 in his last 14 Test Innings

Test average is now 29.87

Regardless of context that is not acceptable.

Time for change.

 

[Ironhawk]

Looks like Pujara is playing for the draw, 8 runs from 90 balls at lunch.

The only way the Aussies had a chance to win was to encourage India to have a go at chasing a total, not to just keep building a massive lead as they did yesterday. India don't care if they draw - they keep the trophy that way. May as well give yourself a shot at a win, when a draw is not good enough.

 

[Herbie66]

Looks like Pujara is playing for the draw, 8 runs from 90 balls at lunch.

The only way the Aussies had a chance to win was to encourage India to have a go at chasing a total, not to just keep building a massive lead as they did yesterday. India don't care if they draw - they keep the trophy that way. May as well give yourself a shot at a win, when a draw is not good enough.

Disagree totally actually

Declare to early and India get a quick 60-70 last night , they are then looking at 150-200 on the final day which is more than gettable.

 

[Ironhawk]

Disagree totally actually

Declare to early and India get a quick 60-70 last night , they are then looking at 150-200 on the final day which is more than gettable.

Guess it depends if you can back in your bowlers.

I agree they should have batted a bit longer than when I originally suggested declaring last night (wasn't watching, just saw there was a rain interruption at that time), didn't look at the radar then. But still think they didn't get enough of a chance at bowling last night. Going to be a draw in any case.

 

[Herbie66]

Guess it depends if you can back in your bowlers.

I agree they should have batted a bit longer than when I originally suggested declaring last night (wasn't watching, just saw there was a rain interruption at that time), didn't look at the radar then. But still think they didn't get enough of a chance at bowling last night. Going to be a draw in any case.

They probably would have said we need 90 overs.

3 RPO = 270
3.5 RPO = 315

Ideally they would have wanted 45-60 minutes at them last night so would want another say 50 runs padding in case Rohit went gang busters (even though his Test away form is not that good still a danger).

Pitch seems to have settled again from yesterday when it was hitting a few cracks.

Certainly would have wanted 2-3 wickets by lunch , so a big afternoon session coming up.

5-6 down at Tea and still a big chance for the win.

 

[Herbie66]

The supposed best bowling attack in Test history needs a massive lift.

 

[Herbie66]

201 to get , 54 overs maybe 🤔

 

[Deeman1]

201 to get , 54 overs maybe 🤔

The only way Australia has a chance is if they decide to go for it.

I guess realistically its only 4 per over with 9 wickets in hand, comfortable enough.

The other problem is that India do not need to win too retain the trophy.

I think they will go a long as normal and see where they are at with 20 overs left and go from there.

Australia need to do something if they are any chance and they need to do it quickly.

Edit: lost a wicket as I typed

 

[Herbie66]

The only way Australia has a chance is if they decide to go for it.

I guess realistically its only 4 per over with 9 wickets in hand, comfortable enough.

The other problem is that India do not need to win too retain the trophy.

I think they will go a long as normal and see where they are at with 20 overs left and go from there.

Australia need to do something if they are any chance and they need to do it quickly.

Edit: lost a wicket as I typed

India won't win.

4 per over in a Test match over 50 overs on the last day , geez I would like to see that happening

When can we use the X-Factor and get Starc off ?

Damn was hoping Gill got his 💯

 

[Deeman1]

India won't win.

4 per over in a Test match over 50 overs on the last day , geez I would like to see that happening

When can we use the X-Factor and get Starc off ?

Damn was hoping Gill got his 💯

Fair enough, not watching the match, but either Australia is only bowling averagely or the pitch is playing pretty well.

You seem pretty confident they won't win.

My was of looking at it (weather aside) if India continued at 2-3 runs per over for the next 30 overs which pitch dependant is not out of the question. Gets it down to say 100 of 20 overs, with wickets in hand, not out of the question.

May just be wishful thinking, but not out of the question.

 

[Herbie66]

Fair enough, not watching the match, but either Australia is only bowling averagely or the pitch is playing pretty well.

You seem pretty confident they won't win.

My was of looking at it (weather aside) if India continued at 2-3 runs per over for the next 30 overs which pitch dependant is not out of the question. Gets it down to say 100 of 20 overs, with wickets in hand, not out of the question.

May just be wishful thinking, but not out of the question.

Wouldn't think too many teams are going at 4 an over for that long on the 5th day in the history of Test cricket (could be completely wrong)

Far too easy to bowl restrictive deliveries.

I think India's best chance would have been if they had batted last night and Rohit went hammer and tong for 45 minutes.

Almost thought they might have sent in Pant if they were going for the win.

Fairly ordinary bowling at the moment , they have hit Pujara 10 times so maybe they are trying to break him.

Almost time to throw the ball to Labuschagne , Smith , Wade for a handful of overs and bowl some "concentrate breaker" balls and try and snag a wicket that way.

Everyone has mentioned the trophy not sure how the draw affects the WTC table.

England 1-0 v SL , us off to SA , IND v England series to come.

NZ sitting back waiting.

 

[Deeman1]

Pujara needs to learn to get his head out of the road

 

[Deeman1]

Wouldn't think too many teams are going at 4 an over for that long on the 5th day in the history of Test cricket (could be completely wrong)

Fair enough, but then again history is just that.

 

[Herbie66]

Pujara needs to learn to get his head out of the road

He is in very real danger of getting seriously hurt.

Watch the ball Pujara

 

[Herbie66]

Fair enough, but then again history is just that.

Fair point.

Generally a very good indicator.

Be one hell of a run chase though if Pujara & Rahane decide to go for it.

My seat belt is fastened tight.

 

[Herbie66]

175 from 46

8 wickets

 

[Herbie66]

Tea India 3/183

37 overs remaining

Australia need help

India need 145 more runs