Position SC 2021: Midfielder Discussion

[BomberArmy]

Betting against Neale this season (at least to start with), just a lot of $$ for someone off an interrupted preseason, even knowing what he can produce..

 

[Backbone]

Betting against Neale this season (at least to start with), just a lot of $$ for someone off an interrupted preseason, even knowing what he can produce..

The worst part is the contested pigs of the world in he and titch who are the elite of elite scorers have both had injury interrupted pre seasons. Can see both still going 115+ but hate the stigma of having players who’ve had an injury interrupted pre season.
Of the mids who hasn’t had an injury at some stage This off season?
Oliver Macrae (going wing) Bont (going forward) Fyfe (going forward young bulls coming for the crown) Merrett (crap team contract year though) jelly (durability) Steele (was it a fluke) all going well
The 2 blues walsh and Cripps look good but how many blues are we gonna start

Trac copped a shoulder knock in an intro club
Neale calf problems
Titch full on shoulder re construction
Danger groin troubles all pre season
Adams hammy
M crouch missed a big chunk of ore season
Rowell (barely done any contact work or note)

Who’s safe
Who’s not
Who’s a risk
Who’s value

At the end of the day I think we’ll still pick 1/2 guys from that injury interrupted list. Most players have question marks but I’m still most confident in the guys who’ve done it season after season

Top 5 imo will still be Neale Macrae Oliver titch and Fyfe

 

[Bomber18]

Yeah for sure
Have been monitoring teams boards looking for anything of supercoach note and have heard nothing from the lions about Neale all pre season. Just thought that was strange then read he has been on light duties getting managed the last few weeks. Maybe that’s what happens at this time of year when you’re the reigning brownlow medalist but I know as a tiger fan I’m comparing him to our A grader in dusty who is in terrific shape and looks like he is amongst everything this pre season for a change.

Good pick up this. On the money and makes it even more difficult to justify Neale.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1361225638091264000

 

[BomberArmy]

The worst part is the contested pigs of the world in he and titch who are the elite of elite scorers have both had injury interrupted pre seasons. Can see both still going 115+ but hate the stigma of having players who’ve had an injury interrupted pre season.
Of the mids who hasn’t had an injury at some stage This off season?
Oliver Macrae (going wing) Bont (going forward) Fyfe (going forward young bulls coming for the crown) Merrett (crap team contract year though) jelly (durability) Steele (was it a fluke) all going well
The 2 blues walsh and Cripps look good but how many blues are we gonna start

Trac copped a shoulder knock in an intro club
Neale calf problems
Titch full on shoulder re construction
Danger groin troubles all pre season
Adams hammy
M crouch missed a big chunk of ore season
Rowell (barely done any contact work or note)

Who’s safe
Who’s not
Who’s a risk
Who’s value

At the end of the day I think we’ll still pick 1/2 guys from that injury interrupted list. Most players have question marks but I’m still most confident in the guys who’ve done it season after season

Top 5 imo will still be Neale Macrae Oliver titch and Fyfe

Great post, atm Macrae, Oliver and Cripps are locks for me personally. Jelly has the capacity to get monster scores, is maturing in the body (not so much size, but his core strength and contested game improved imo) and is next in line along with Merrett. Fyfe, Steele and Mitchell are the next rung down for me, durability, consistency and injury interrupted in that order.

I like Cunnington (if fit) and tossing up whether to have both Heppell and Hately or just one of them along with rookies..

 

[Bermi]

Just had a cold shiver down my spine. If Gawn gets a long term injury, does that affect Oliver's SC scoring? I currently have Gawn and Oliver and that could be a double whammy to my team, hmmm?

 

[Backbone]

Great post, atm Macrae, Oliver and Cripps are locks for me personally. Jelly has the capacity to get monster scores, is maturing in the body (not so much size, but his core strength and contested game improved imo) and is next in line along with Merrett. Fyfe, Steele and Mitchell are the next rung down for me, durability, consistency and injury interrupted in that order.

I like Cunnington (if fit) and tossing up whether to have both Heppell and Hately or just one of them along with rookies..

I actually think jelly was on track to miss just the 1 game last year. The knock out was a freak injury and was an absolutely massive hit from mummy! Nothing to do with being injury prone. 2 years ago Fyfe missed just the 1 game with his Own concussion so maybe they both play 22 games and not starting them will look silly come the end of the year!
Jelly is in the upper echelon of scorers and the more I’m writing this message the more I think I’m gonna start him at m3 behind safe guys in Macrae and Oliver

 

[Professor]

Just had a cold shiver down my spine. If Gawn gets a long term injury, does that affect Oliver's SC scoring? I currently have Gawn and Oliver and that could be a double whammy to my team, hmmm?

I'm sure 70% of the teams will be in the same boat, don't stress, but fear the beard. 😆

 

[Vicwood]

surely we cant start

cripps, walsh and williams

unless...

And Paddy Dow could sneak onto the FWD Line.

 

[Hasnoshoes]

Oliver v Steele v Macrae

I'm really rotting with this one. With Laird in Def for me it is kinda a vs Lloyd too.

I have been a bit off the 650k guys but starting to warm to Steele.

What are people's view on a tag. As I see it there really isn't anyone else at the Saints you'd go to. If Steele really is a 120 guy for full qrts at least we'll know round one after he meets the Dutchman! Would be so much easier picking him if I know they played GWS Rd 9!

Steele seems to have the perfect game to avoid tags. Doesn't need high disposals and tackles a lot.

Even if he isn't tagging he usually gets the defensive job on the oppositions best player anyway. You could try tag him but what you gonna do when he just ignores you and keeps his own "tag".

 

[manyproblems]

I aint payin no 720k for Neale and his interrupted preseason. Grundy/Gawn/Oliver/Steele C options for the time being.

 

[Backbone]

I’m looking at Steele’s stats last year and upon reflection im baffled he averaged what he did

I think scaling and st Kilda winning games added on 5-10 points comfortably to what he truly should’ve scored. He’s at the top of inflation in my eyes. At least Oliver was getting 25 a week + petracca was getting big numbers and having huge impact. They both look more likely to continue on as super premos over Steele.

Having 18 disposals and kicking 2 goals won’t be scoring 149 points in 2021
26 touches 1 goal 5 frees against 162sc

Just don’t get it.
The saints didn’t have anyone taking points off him. Players like danger and Macrae compete with multiple guys averaging 100+ the saints just don’t which is the one thing in steeles favour.

I think he’ll fall out of the top 8 mids into that 10-15 range which is still good but not in that super premo range.

Trac Neale Oliver titch Macrae Bont jelly Fyfe Merrett all more likely and have done it over multiple years. Waiting to be proved wrong before I bring him into my team

Maybe it’s the fact I went a year early and had him in 2019 that I’m so salty. Prove me wrong man of Steele

 

[manyproblems]

I’m looking at Steele’s stats last year and upon reflection im baffled he averaged what he did

I think scaling and st Kilda winning games added on 5-10 points comfortably to what he truly should’ve scored. He’s at the top of inflation in my eyes. At least Oliver was getting 25 a week + petracca was getting big numbers and having huge impact. They both look more likely to continue on as super premos over Steele.

Having 18 disposals and kicking 2 goals won’t be scoring 149 points in 2021
26 touches 1 goal 5 frees against 162sc

Just don’t get it.
The saints didn’t have anyone taking points off him. Players like danger and Macrae compete with multiple guys averaging 100+ the saints just don’t which is the one thing in steeles favour.

I think he’ll fall out of the top 8 mids into that 10-15 range which is still good but not in that super premo range.

Trac Neale Oliver titch Macrae Bont jelly Fyfe Merrett all more likely and have done it over multiple years. Waiting to be proved wrong before I bring him into my team

Maybe it’s the fact I went a year early and had him in 2019 that I’m so salty. Prove me wrong man of Steele

I think the small differences highlighted contributed to Steele averaging the same as Oliver. (Steele on the left, Oliver on the right). I'd say he's perhaps slightly inflated because he kicked 11.2, so would expect that accuracy to drop a bit. I am starting Steele and expect him to go around 120.

 

[Backbone]

I think the small differences highlighted contributed to Steele averaging the same as Oliver. (Steele on the left, Oliver on the right). I'd say he's perhaps slightly inflated because he kicked 11.2, so would expect that accuracy to drop a bit. I am starting Steele and expect him to go around 120.

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Good player
Doesn’t scream elite to me yet

Would want to see him averaging 115+ before his bye before I take the punt

Can definitely see him falling back to between 100-110 this year

 

[pizza safety]

What are people's thoughts on Bont this year? With a lack of good-value options in the midfield and my sense being that Macrae is going to spend more time stationed on the wing with Treloar arriving, I've currently got him at M2.

In a sense it feels too risky to start either Bont or Macrae and it seems like waiting is the better option with Treloar being added to the team and the amount of point sharing that will go on.

At the same time, turning 26 next year, Bont should be coming into his absolute prime and if he is ever going to be a 120+ average player it is likely to happen in the next two years. There is obviously no way of knowing whether that can happen, but he does have decent potential to be that kind of player, and that's not true for everyone averaging 110-120.

I'm also open to starting Macrae, but I really feel he's going to spend more time playing outside midfield.

 

[Under The Dome]

At the end of 15/2.
53% own Neale in their current set up. With the news of the injury finally appearing I'm going to keep track of it until round 1.

 

[Eagling]

Oliver v Steele v Macrae

I'm really rotting with this one. With Laird in Def for me it is kinda a vs Lloyd too.

I have been a bit off the 650k guys but starting to warm to Steele.

What are people's view on a tag. As I see it there really isn't anyone else at the Saints you'd go to. If Steele really is a 120 guy for full qrts at least we'll know round one after he meets the Dutchman! Would be so much easier picking him if I know they played GWS Rd 9!

Just have all 5.

In all seriousness, prioritise Oliver and Laird.

 

[Eagling]

I think Steele does potentially drop off, but I think it's the same case for all elite mids.

I don't watch a lot of football but Steele was insanely impressive as a non-owner last season. I think there's room for improvement as he keeps up a more attacking midfielder stance which could counter the lower tog %.

 

[Eagling]

Generally speaking, I'm thinking 5-15 average drop at the top of midfield will happen in 2020. I'm also picking the 4 most expensive midfielders because I reckon they'll easily be top 8 anyway.

 

[Gruffles]

What are people's thoughts on Bont this year? With a lack of good-value options in the midfield and my gut feeling being that Macrae is going to spend more time stationed on the wing with Treloar arriving, I've currently got him at M2.

In a sense it feels too risky to start either Bont or Macrae and it seems like waiting is the better option with Treloar being added to the team and the amount of point sharing that will go on.

At the same time, turning 26, Bont should be coming into his absolute prime next year and if he is ever going to be a 120+ average player it is likely to happen in the next two years. There is obviously no way of knowing whether that can happen, but he does have decent potential to be that kind of player, and that's not true for everyone averaging 110-120.

Bont has been quoted as saying he expects to be spending a little more time up forward this year, not sure how that would increase his scoring.
I think your instincts to ''wait and see'' are spot on, why risk it unless you somehow see some upside to Treloar arriving?

 

[Gruffles]

I am finally understanding the Rowell pick!

With all of the best mids greatly overpriced it makes guys like Rowell and Taranto far less risky than it would in years gone by. Reason.
Knowing that some premo mids are going to drop 50-100k, even if Rowell doesn't come out guns blazing GC have a great run after their initial game vs WC so he might make a cool 50-75k anyway, throw in the same kind of drop on a guy like Neale, Oliver, Steele and you have made your 150k for the trade.

I am really coming around to this approach in the midfield this season.