Position SC 2021: Midfielder Discussion
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I love him as a player and think he will be a great asset to the club for many years - finds the footy, kicks well and sets up play.
But I'm not a big fan of the pick this year for a few reasons...
But I'm not a big fan of the pick this year for a few reasons...
- North are 100% rebuilding this year, so we're going to lose a lot of games: doesn't mean you can't score well - just means it's uphill all the way.
- Rebuild and new coach means we will try new things (and rightly so). So while there will be some good scores, I would question the ability to get a full, consistent season from a North mid in 2020 (or just about any North player other than Goldy).
- Simpkin is still so light (quoted at 75kg). That's Connor Rozzee size, and means he's giving up 10-15kg to the big-bodied mids he is trying to win ball against. For an example, Lachie Neale, who is 5cm smaller than Simpkin, weighs 10kg more. We need him to bulk up, and he will, but he's only 23 so it may take some time yet. Until then it almost looks like he might snap in a big tackle, so it feels like he is close to an injury or a rattling bump every game.
Last year Leon Cameron said "the burden of captaincy took its toll on Coniglio", hmmm, I'm puzzled because Coniglio is still Captain this year. If he can't handle the captaincy role, then take it away from him, or are GWS confident he will handle it now???
My other thought I have is that, some very good players had a poor 2020 because of the Covid bubble, so maybe that affected his game???
What interests me about Coniglio is that he is underpriced, has a good tank, returned to training noticeably leaner and has put in a mountain of work in the off-season, a clean bill of health (except for the recent head clash at training) and has a very high ceiling.
In 2019, his highest scores were: 202, 158, 154, & 130. In 2018, his highest scores were: 157, 150, 143 &138. But he does throw in the odd low scores as well.
He's only 27 this year.
I'll be monitoring him in the preseason, but not sure my questions will be answered for me to be confident in starting him.
My other thought I have is that, some very good players had a poor 2020 because of the Covid bubble, so maybe that affected his game???
What interests me about Coniglio is that he is underpriced, has a good tank, returned to training noticeably leaner and has put in a mountain of work in the off-season, a clean bill of health (except for the recent head clash at training) and has a very high ceiling.
In 2019, his highest scores were: 202, 158, 154, & 130. In 2018, his highest scores were: 157, 150, 143 &138. But he does throw in the odd low scores as well.
He's only 27 this year.
I'll be monitoring him in the preseason, but not sure my questions will be answered for me to be confident in starting him.
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S Coniglio:
Wins avg since 2016: 107.80 from 49 (18/49 below 100, 15/49 120+)
2016 Wins Avg: 111.13 from 16 (4/16 below 100, 6/16 120+)
2017 Wins Avg: 90.2 from 5 (4/5 below 100, 1/5 120+)
2018 Wins Avg: 107.67 from 12 (6/12 below 100, 4/12 120+)
2019 Wins Avg: 120.38 from 8 (2/8 below 100, 3/8 120+)
2020 Wins Avg: 99.75 from 8 (2/8 below 100, 1/8 120+)
Losses Avg since 2016: 94.53 from 30 (17/30 below 100, 5/30 120+)
2016 Losses Avg: 89.2 from 5 (4/5 below 100)
2017 Losses Avg: 94.5 from 2 (1/2 below 100)
2018 Losses Avg: 108.63 from 8 (3/8 below 100, 3/8 120+)
2019 Losses Avg: 79.29 from 7 (4/7 below 100, 1/7 120+)
2020 Losses Avg: 97.13 from 8 (5/8 below 100, 1/8 120+)
Wins avg since 2016: 107.80 from 49 (18/49 below 100, 15/49 120+)
2016 Wins Avg: 111.13 from 16 (4/16 below 100, 6/16 120+)
2017 Wins Avg: 90.2 from 5 (4/5 below 100, 1/5 120+)
2018 Wins Avg: 107.67 from 12 (6/12 below 100, 4/12 120+)
2019 Wins Avg: 120.38 from 8 (2/8 below 100, 3/8 120+)
2020 Wins Avg: 99.75 from 8 (2/8 below 100, 1/8 120+)
Losses Avg since 2016: 94.53 from 30 (17/30 below 100, 5/30 120+)
2016 Losses Avg: 89.2 from 5 (4/5 below 100)
2017 Losses Avg: 94.5 from 2 (1/2 below 100)
2018 Losses Avg: 108.63 from 8 (3/8 below 100, 3/8 120+)
2019 Losses Avg: 79.29 from 7 (4/7 below 100, 1/7 120+)
2020 Losses Avg: 97.13 from 8 (5/8 below 100, 1/8 120+)
I think you’re right in that the bubbles (etc) are a potential reason for his poor performances - if he’d done what he did in a normal year, I’d be even more reluctant to start him. Coming back leaner is good in my view (it indicates he has done something different, and probably worked hard - a good sign), although I’d have to think bubbles are a decent chance again this year, which is not great if we’re pinning his poor 2020 on bubbles.
He does have a massive ceiling, although he also has a history of throwing out 60s and 70s with some regularity. He’s only c. $50k cheap on the best he has ever produced in a season, and he always misses games, so I’d be more inclined to treat him as an upgrade candidate if he gets really cheap for some reason.
He does have a massive ceiling, although he also has a history of throwing out 60s and 70s with some regularity. He’s only c. $50k cheap on the best he has ever produced in a season, and he always misses games, so I’d be more inclined to treat him as an upgrade candidate if he gets really cheap for some reason.
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Does Heppell become relevant now that he is fit for R1?
https://supercoachscores.com/threads/injuries-suspensions.3987/page-217#post-690154
https://supercoachscores.com/threads/injuries-suspensions.3987/page-217#post-690154
Found this on the Suns FB page re Rowell in the practice game :-
- the teams were not clear 1s vs 2s, or possibles vs probables. Blues had more established defenders, reds had betters mids and forwards. A lot were playing out of position.
- rowelly’s shoulder looks 100%, didn’t feel like he is concerned about it at all. Played the whole 2 quarters forward of the contest, clearly he was instructed to take it super easy.
Probably got about 8 touches.
- our first year players did what they needed to do. Jeffrey and Ace stood out. Joel kicked the ball beautifully and ace was so hard to catch.
- We have added more depth to every position, no doubt this will give the coaches chances to play different players in different positions.
Eg: Dave/Greenwood forward, Luko wing/HF etc
- it’d be silly to get disappointed at this stage, it was a intra-club Prac match. If our goal is to be successful at the back end of the season, this is the very beginning.
- the teams were not clear 1s vs 2s, or possibles vs probables. Blues had more established defenders, reds had betters mids and forwards. A lot were playing out of position.
- rowelly’s shoulder looks 100%, didn’t feel like he is concerned about it at all. Played the whole 2 quarters forward of the contest, clearly he was instructed to take it super easy.
Probably got about 8 touches.
- our first year players did what they needed to do. Jeffrey and Ace stood out. Joel kicked the ball beautifully and ace was so hard to catch.
- We have added more depth to every position, no doubt this will give the coaches chances to play different players in different positions.
Eg: Dave/Greenwood forward, Luko wing/HF etc
- it’d be silly to get disappointed at this stage, it was a intra-club Prac match. If our goal is to be successful at the back end of the season, this is the very beginning.
Yep for me he is, this sounds very promising:-
Dyson has been managed really well by the medical and high performance team he’s now essentially in full training. He is expecting to play the pre-season games and he’s playing a new role off half back. He gives the defensive some real experience which is important,” he said.
I think half back suits him better than midfield, he has averaged over 100 playing half back previously.
319K with excellent JS playing in the lucrative half back role where he has averaged 100 previously makes him very fantasy relevant/ great stepping stone to a fallen mid premium in my eyes. Currently sitting at my M7 in my team.
Dyson has been managed really well by the medical and high performance team he’s now essentially in full training. He is expecting to play the pre-season games and he’s playing a new role off half back. He gives the defensive some real experience which is important,” he said.
I think half back suits him better than midfield, he has averaged over 100 playing half back previously.
319K with excellent JS playing in the lucrative half back role where he has averaged 100 previously makes him very fantasy relevant/ great stepping stone to a fallen mid premium in my eyes. Currently sitting at my M7 in my team.
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Feels like a real high variance outcome. For a similar reason, Taranto is not in my team, neither will be Cogs. While he'll be part of the mid rotation, I suspect he'll be used elsewhere. Which is a shame for us SC'ers. If he does 85% CBA in praccy matches I might bust a move to get him in. But it's hard no until that day.
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Nope. First para, he's there because of troublesome foot. He's basically in full training: read he is not in full training. Later more about not being up to a mid standard b/c foot. Will make $ no doubt. Will not grace my team, sadly, as he was in many early versions of my team. Would change mind if he did preseason match and didn't need to ice bath foot following.
Ps what is puff piece going to say about the medicos...they did a sh!t job and he's no where near ready? Yeah nah.
Ps what is puff piece going to say about the medicos...they did a sh!t job and he's no where near ready? Yeah nah.
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CBA's 60-80% in last 5 games except round 15, scored ave 85-90 in this games (ex round 15). Seemed to go on a frenzy in our premiership year and never backed it up. Gaff is much more the link man and racks up possession for that role, hence why he is targeted for the tag. Sheed splits mid and fwd and doesn't get the ball as much.
