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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/17/what-is-a-pass-mark-for-the-adelaide-crows-in-2021/
Veteran Taylor Walker told local radio earlier in the week to expect a Round 1 debut for second round draft pick James Rowe.

Cornes believes the 21-year-old out of Woodville-West Torrens will be the only Adelaide rookie we see early in the year.

“The word out of Adelaide is he’s the only one ready to go,” he said.

“I’d have thought Thilthorpe wouldn’t be too far away.

“Crows fans, what the club is saying is don’t expect too many of the young players to have a big impact straight up, James Rowe will be one of those.”
Cornes admits Thilthorpe, the number two pick in the draft, has shown a lot of promise at training so far this summer.

“I can’t wait to watch Thilthorpe play," he said.

I think he’s going to excite a lot of people and what I’m excited about his aggression and his attack on the footy and his versatility to ruck, to go forward, but to also be clean at ground level and his ability to score as well, so I hope he gets a good run at it.

“Perhaps 10 or so games would be a good result for him this year.”

Cornes and Hayes debated what Adelaide’s forward line could look like in 2021 if Thilthorpe is ready to go early.

Hayes: “I’d be extremely surprised if he (Thilthorpe) doesn’t play Round 1.”

Cornes: “Pick me a forward line then, who misses? Taylor Walker, Darcy Fogarty, Elliott Himmelberg or Riley Thilthorpe? You can’t play four of them, you can’t.”

Hayes: “It’s really hard. Tex is playing, Fogarty is playing as well.”

Cornes: “So Himmelberg is out? Hayesy’s dropped Himmelberg, everyone.”

Hayes: “Kane’s jumped the gun everyone … it’s pretty hard to select a team, someone’s going to miss out.”

Adelaide takes on Geelong at the Adelaide Oval in Round 1.
 
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ADELAIDE
James Rowe
was one of the best stories of last year’s draft – and according to teammate Taylor Walker, he could be injected into Adelaide’s best 22 from week one. Walker this week predicted on Triple M Adelaide that Rowe, who kicked 38 goals in the SANFL last year and fills a small forward chasm at the Crows, would play Round 1, saying he was a “big chance” to debut. Walker also nominated Riley Thilthorpe and Sam Berry as potential early-season debutants. However Thilthorpe, who’s played SANFL league footy in recent years, would be more an outside chance after his injury-plagued 2020 campaign.
BRISBANE LIONS
Whether it comes in Round 1 or later in the year, Ely Smith is set to be unleashed by the Lions at AFL level this season. Heading into his third year on the Lions’ list, inside midfielder Smith has significantly improved his aerobic capacity over the off-season after being challenged to develop his outside game. He recently told the club’s website: “I went home for the break for a couple of months and just got hooked into it, dieting pretty hard … It feels pretty good knowing that everyone is noticing (the hard work). It drives you to keep going throughout the season.”
CARLTON
It’s unlikely the Blues will be unveiling any debutants in Round 1. Perhaps the best chance of an early-season game is Jack Carroll, who recently impressed at Carlton match simulation in an on-ball role. Carroll was arguably the biggest slider of last year’s draft, with the Blues snapping the smooth-moving midfielder up with Pick 41.
COLLINGWOOD
At this stage not, there hasn’t been too much hype out of the Magpies about opening-round bolters, but Tassie product Isaac Chugg is one to watch closely. After being picked up in the rookie draft, Chugg has made an excellent first impression at the club, turning heads as a small defender with his ball use off half-back. It’s put him in the mix for an early debut. Oliver Henry, who was taken with Pick 17 in last year’s national draft, could also be an outside chance.
ESSENDON
It’s likely all of three of Essendon’s top-10 2020 draftees will be exposed at AFL level during the early stages of the season. One of last year’s more unique draft prospects at 200cm, Nik Cox has the versatility and aerobic capacity – he took out the club’s 2km time trial – to play almost anywhere on the ground. That includes in the midfield, where he’s spent much of his time training over the off-season. Fellow 200cm draftee Zach Reid has also shown off his athleticism over summer, but it’s uncertain which position he’d play in at AFL level during the early stages of his career. Bombers football boss Josh Mahoney recently told the Herald Sun: “Physically both him (Cox) and Zach Reid are a fair way from being the key-position players they will grow into, but their athletic profile will allow them to play before that.” Archie Perkins is a “bit more physically developed than some of the other draftees”, according to Mahoney. Perkins is the tall inside midfielder the Bombers have been searching for, but has mainly been training as a forward this off-season. Mahoney declared Perkins had “already shown the class that he has got as that type of player”.
FREMANTLE
There’s a competition among the Dockers’ 2020 draftees around who could debut first – and Heath Chapman arguably leads the race at this stage. Aerially gifted with the ability to adapt to several defensive roles, Chapman should be a Round 1 contender after an excellent off-season that’s seen him put in a lot of work away from the club’s official training sessions. He’s been compared to Giant Nick Haynes, but Freo teammate Luke Ryan recently likened Chapman to Dustin Fletcher due to his long arms, saying: “It looks like he’s played the game for two or three years already.” The other strong chance is midfielder Luke Valente, who has finally had a good run with injury and trimmed down in an attempt to win an early AFL debut heading into his third season at the club. Dockers coach Justin Longmuir said in December: “We’ve got strong confidence that Luke can become not only a very good AFL footballer, but we have high hopes for him to be someone who can influence others at the football club.”
GEELONG
It’s going to be hard to get a gig in that star-studded side in Round 1. The most likely debutant contender could be Cooper Stephens – the 2019 first-round draftee that was named as an emergency five times last year. Stephens has had a strong and, importantly, injury-free summer and looks ready to launch his AFL career at senior level. Nathan Kreuger could also be in the early-round debut mix after training with Geelong’s defensive group over the summer and impressing Cats assistant Matthew Scarlett.
GOLD COAST SUNS
The best chance of a Round 1 berth would be Alex Davies – a tall, big-bodied midfielder with a knack for winning contested ball. But whether the Suns would be prepared to pull the trigger so early remains to be seen.
GWS GIANTS
The club’s top draftee Tanner Bruhn would be in the mix for Round 1. He thrives at the contest, but with lots of inside ball-winners already at the Giants, Bruhn could play as a forward during the early stages of his Giants career.
HAWTHORN
James Sicily’s injury puts top-five draftee Denver Grainger-Barras in an excellent position to make his Round 1 debut. But even if Sicily was fit, Grainger-Barras would still be hard to ignore after an excellent summer. Under 18 talent guru Mick Ablett compared Grainger-Barras to triple premiership Tiger Dylan Grimes for his ability to intercept, as well as play on both small and tall forwards. Hawks assistant coach Sam Mitchell recently told the Herald Sun: “It’s not for me to say who is in the selection frame (for Round 1) but if you looked at his (Grainger-Barras’) match play last week you would say he’s ready to play.” NGA recruit Connor Downie, who uses the ball well in space, would also be an outside chance to line up on a wing or across either flank. Grainger-Barras and Downie have a great opportunity to push their respective Round 1 cases over the next month.
MELBOURNE
The Demons are unlikely to unleash a debutant in Round 1, even though both Bailey Laurie and Jack Bowey would be capable of stepping up. Laurie, who has a high footy IQ, would play as a small forward, but the likes of Kysaiah Pickett and Charlie Spargo could be ahead of him at this stage. Bowey was also drafted after impressing as a small forward, but he could be trialled as a half-back during the early stages of his career. When that begins for Bowey, though, remains unclear.
NORTH MELBOURNE
It’s been hard to ignore the hype around Will Phillips – the best pure midfielder in last year’s draft. As a bottom-ager in the NAB League, Phillips slotted into the Oakleigh Chargers’ midfield brigade — which included Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson — with aplomb. Skipper Jack Ziebell recently said the “sky is the limit” for Phillips, who’s “had it on a string at training”. Fellow midfielder and first-round draftee Tom Powell, who won the 2020 McCallum Tomkins medal as the SANFL’s best Under 19s player, has also surged into contention over summer and could be injected into North’s midfield early in 2021.
PORT ADELAIDE
Coach Ken Hinkley recently described first-round draftee Lachlan Jones as “a bit of a beast” that was “going to have some opportunities this year to show everyone what he is capable of”. A strong defender with a ready-made frame and a beautiful kick, Jones has all the traits to make an early impact at the Power. Jackson Mead and Miles Bergman, who were both taken in the 2019 draft, have also trained well and could be unleashed during the first few rounds. Bergman could spend time in defence, should he debut early, despite being drafted as a forward.
RICHMOND
It’s a darn hard team to break into, but Riley Collier-Dawkins is a chance to be named in Richmond’s Round 1 team after a “fantastic pre-season”, according to coach Damien Hardwick. After being close to playing last year, Collier-Dawkins has matured a lot over the off-season, putting himself in a great position for an early debut after being drafted with Pick 20 in 2018. Speaking about Collier-Dawkins, Hardwick told SEN Breakfast this week: “He’s very explosive, he’s very powerful, his fitness base has really improved and he’s matured. I think he’s going to be a really, really good player for us.”
 
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ST KILDA
Mature-age draftee Tom Highmore recently told the AFL NSW/ACT website he was approaching 2021 with a mindset that “there’s no limits on what I can achieve”. And the 22-year-old could achieve an early-season debut after showing off his excellent intercept marking ability since arriving at the club. The athletic former Giants Academy prospect dominated the 2020 SANFL this season, leading the comp for intercept marks.
SYDNEY SWANS
After being overlooked for all of 2020, Will Gould has worked tirelessly on his fitness over the summer in a bid to earn an early AFL debut as an intercepting third tall defender. That bid could come to fruition as early as in Round 1. Then there’s the Swans’ top two 2020 national draftees, who both have the potential to play in the first week. Logan McDonald kicked 21 goals to finish fourth on the WAFL league goalkicking ladder last year and made the competition’s team of the year. Sydney coach John Longmire recently told AFL Media that McDonald would play “when he’s ready”, adding the Swans “won’t force him into it”. Fellow top-10 draftee Braeden Campbell, a classy left-footer with ample zip, has already declared he wants to play Round 1 and have a 200-game career at the Swans. Longmire said the Swans like what Campbell can “deliver off half-back and through the midfield, just because of his kicking”.
WEST COAST EAGLES
After sliding in the draft and attracting headlines last December – former state Under 18s coach Peter Sumich bluntly said the WA product “gets the sooks a bit if things don’t go his way” – rookie Zane Trew has impressed in his first pre-season at the Eagles. The West Australian recently reported Trew was a standout during a club match simulation, delivering “laser-like passes to forwards”. A Round 1 debut for Trew seems a long shot, but the early signs have been promising.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
No. 1 pick Jamarra Ugle-Hagan should play early in the season, but how early may depend on his upcoming pre-season game performances. Widely regarded as the rightful first pick in last year’s draft, Ugle-Hagan had a standout junior career playing as a key forward. But over the off-season, the 197cm key-position player has been deployed all over the ground at Bulldogs training, including in the midfield. The Oakleigh Chargers product is blessed with great power, speed and aerial ability, but it’s his body strength that might delay his debut. Ugle-Hagan recently told SEN’s Bob and Andy: “Round 1 or Round 7 or even next season, there’s no rush to play a game.”
 

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Nathan Kreuger could also be in the early-round debut mix after training with Geelong’s defensive group over the summer and impressing Cats assistant Matthew Scarlett.
This was the biggest takeaway for me out of that article, most others we knew were in the frame at least, but to find out Kreuger is training with the defenders, and there being a spot opened up with Harry Taylor's retirement, makes him an interesting prospect. I noticed having watched a few highlights of Geelong reserves hub matches last year that he was used in the ruck in those games, so he might be even able to offer the chop out to Stanley at times if he gets a look in.
 
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@Goodie's Guns @Ironhawk & any other hawk supporters, keep hearing good things about Brockman, your thoughts on him playing round 1? He had a very good season for the Subiaco colts over here in WA. Here is the draft analysis on him :-

DRAFT ANALYSIS: “Brockman is a powerful small-medium forward/midfielder who brings plenty of excitement with his attacking play and sharp skills.” – Michael Alvaro
Subiaco Colts premiership player Tyler Brockman has put himself in AFL Draft contention this year with a terrific top-age season, rotating through the midfield from his usual forward post. The 181cm prospect is a high-impact type, able to break the game open with his explosive speed and creativity in the forward half. Having previously been a part of Western Australia’s Under 16 squad, Brockman has shown a good level of commitment in 2020 to help fulfil his potential and stand out as one of the WAFL Colts’ most watchable talents. His form was enough to warrant a state combine invite, confirming interest from AFL clubs, while also earning selection in the WA Under 18 All-Stars fixtures.
 
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I thought that we were banned from posting stuff from that twitter account due to the amount of "fake news" it posted last year...

Anyway, he would be in the mix for sure, but I'm not sure he gets in round 1 - see the probable Rd 1 teams topic. There's probably 10-12 players in good enough pre-season form for about 4 spots in the team from various pre-season reports I have seen. @Goodie's Guns usually has the good word on team news, but at this stage I would say it's too early to say if he plays or not in Rd 1.
 

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@Goodie's Guns @Ironhawk & any other hawk supporters, keep hearing good things about Brockman, your thoughts on him playing round 1? He had a very good season for the Subiaco colts over here in WA. Here is the draft analysis on him :-

DRAFT ANALYSIS: “Brockman is a powerful small-medium forward/midfielder who brings plenty of excitement with his attacking play and sharp skills.” – Michael Alvaro
Subiaco Colts premiership player Tyler Brockman has put himself in AFL Draft contention this year with a terrific top-age season, rotating through the midfield from his usual forward post. The 181cm prospect is a high-impact type, able to break the game open with his explosive speed and creativity in the forward half. Having previously been a part of Western Australia’s Under 16 squad, Brockman has shown a good level of commitment in 2020 to help fulfil his potential and stand out as one of the WAFL Colts’ most watchable talents. His form was enough to warrant a state combine invite, confirming interest from AFL clubs, while also earning selection in the WA Under 18 All-Stars fixtures.
That SC IQ on twitter has traditionally been a poor resource to depend on re. Injury news and stuff like that, from memory.

I’m yet to hear anything about how he went today. Let me suss it out and I’ll try and get a response posted later tonight after cricket training.

My initial reaction was ‘could the tweet have mistaken Dyl Moore for Brockman?’. As I’m pretty sure Moore had early 20’s touches and two snags.

EDIT: Per @Ironhawk’s post, appears my thoughts in regards that twitter account were right. And it’s also a massive statement to be so confident to say a bloke will definitely play round one at this stage.
 
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That SC IQ on twitter has traditionally been a poor resource to depend on re. Injury news and stuff like that, from memory.

I’m yet to hear anything about how he went today. Let me suss it out and I’ll try and get a response posted later tonight after cricket training.

My initial reaction was ‘could the tweet have mistaken Dyl Moore for Brockman?’. As I’m pretty sure Moore had early 20’s touches and two snags.

EDIT: Per @Ironhawk’s post, appears my thoughts in regards that twitter account were right. And it’s also a massive statement to be so confident to say a bloke will definitely play round one at this stage.
There's a lengthy write up on the Hawthorn BF board. Seems everyone killed it today. Apparently Moore was close to BOG today, so it may have been him. Downie very good too in terms of rookies.
 
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Brockman was the standout for the possibles so still just on the outside and will probably be competing with Moore who also reportedly had a strong showing for the probables. Both Koschitzke and Downie played for the probables and didn't look out of place according to reports. Does anyone know which side Ceglar played for as he wasn't mentioned in report at all, only mention was that McEvoy shouldered much of the ruckwork early.
 
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Brockman was the standout for the possibles so still just on the outside and will probably be competing with Moore who also reportedly had a strong showing for the probables. Both Koschitzke and Downie played for the probables and didn't look out of place according to reports. Does anyone know which side Ceglar played for as he wasn't mentioned in report at all, only mention was that McEvoy shouldered much of the ruckwork early.
Played for the probables, McEvoy apparently spent a fair bit of time on the bench and forward. Not a lot of opposition in the ruck for Ceglar for a fair chunk of the game by the sound of it, so hard to judge how well he is going. I'll say he will be better this year than last year, but that's not saying much.
 
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On the hawks website now :-

https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/...oxtuDj5uI7X8Ajc57nc7kIvzMnrNrXbTrNWJXHE-Ripv8

The Hawks took to the field for the club’s first intraclub of the summer on Wednesday, with the list divided into two teams of ‘Probables’ and ‘Possibles’.

As to be expected, the Probables ultimately prevailed, but the Possibles side was gallant all day, highlighting the depth of the list as the season approaches.

Young pair James Worpel and Dylan Moore were among the stand-outs for the winners, while Tim O’Brien was the key beneficiary of some improved, fast ball movement as he finished with a game-high six goals.

Jacob Koschitzke didn’t look out of place in the Probables side; he was busy in his new role of key forward, showing strong hands and providing plenty of assists for his teammates.

Meanwhile draftee Tyler Brockman was a standout for the Possibles – the 18-year-old’s pace and creativity with ball in hand was on show.
 

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I thought FiveAA confirmed his RD1 debut in early December. ;)
Crowey went as early as September 1999 😀

Poor bloke could have a heart attack if he does debut and he is commentating the game.

Thought Nicks comments today were interesting.

Think I have commented on the Crows enough already this preseason so will leave it to the match committee.

12 minutes into the News and still waiting for a Crouch update
 
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On the hawks website now :-

https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/...oxtuDj5uI7X8Ajc57nc7kIvzMnrNrXbTrNWJXHE-Ripv8

The Hawks took to the field for the club’s first intraclub of the summer on Wednesday, with the list divided into two teams of ‘Probables’ and ‘Possibles’.

As to be expected, the Probables ultimately prevailed, but the Possibles side was gallant all day, highlighting the depth of the list as the season approaches.

Young pair James Worpel and Dylan Moore were among the stand-outs for the winners, while Tim O’Brien was the key beneficiary of some improved, fast ball movement as he finished with a game-high six goals.

Jacob Koschitzke didn’t look out of place in the Probables side; he was busy in his new role of key forward, showing strong hands and providing plenty of assists for his teammates.

Meanwhile draftee Tyler Brockman was a standout for the Possibles – the 18-year-old’s pace and creativity with ball in hand was on show.
Rozee out, TOB in :cool: :p
 
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