Opinion SC 2021: Rate My Team

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Here's a different version of the side, I might prefer this one more

 

[wogitalia]

Funny you should mention as the match reports said Sydney's defence has looked a little shakey and there is no strong word on Gould's round one chances yet.

Believe there was no Rampe, who makes a huge difference, but Rampe not playing is probably why Gould is getting a chance so that's a double edged reason.

My current way of working around the possible rookie issues consists of picking way more midpricers than I usually would, unfortunately I'm not sure I see another way to navigate this situation unless players suddenly pop up.

I'm not sure about the Hayden Young pick and especially the Tom Green pick and I'm hoping some other rookies show up and make themselves viable before round 1.

Another weird thing about this team is I've ended up with 2+ midfielders from a bunch of teams, only the 3 from Carlton are likely to remain in my side throughout the year but having Oliver + Harmes, Kelly + Green as well as 4 Carlton mids to start off feels a little weird. Harmes does have some keeper potential but I'm seeing him more as a cash cow with upside as a keeper.

I'm thinking Highmore or a Wehr type can be chosen if they're a donut in round 1, could even be handy as a loophole early on in the year if Treacy is picked for Round 1.



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Holy midprice batman Risky structure, especially given the durability issues with so many of the premiums (Dunkley, Jelly, Williams, Heeney) on top of the sheer amount of midpricers.

Good luck with it though, can't say I haven't at least considered every name out there. No Ziebell probably the big standout to me, as a guy with a genuine premium history that's had a role change that is generally positive at his price he's got significant hurt factor if he hits the best case and you've missed him. He's worth the 20k over Daniher, imo, if that's the path you're walking.

 

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Believe there was no Rampe, who makes a huge difference, but Rampe not playing is probably why Gould is getting a chance so that's a double edged reason.





Holy midprice batman Risky structure, especially given the durability issues with so many of the premiums (Dunkley, Jelly, Williams, Heeney) on top of the sheer amount of midpricers.

Good luck with it though, can't say I haven't at least considered every name out there. No Ziebell probably the big standout to me, as a guy with a genuine premium history that's had a role change that is generally positive at his price he's got significant hurt factor if he hits the best case and you've missed him. He's worth the 20k over Daniher, imo, if that's the path you're walking.

It's the team I have based on the idea that there will be no rookies, there might not be any other option but to roll out a team like that, it's very far from ideal, but you sink or swim.

8 midpricers in my first team, but only 6 in my second team, I don't think there will be many teams with less than that come round 1 considering the inevitable absence of rookies.

 

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Believe there was no Rampe, who makes a huge difference, but Rampe not playing is probably why Gould is getting a chance so that's a double edged reason.





Holy midprice batman Risky structure, especially given the durability issues with so many of the premiums (Dunkley, Jelly, Williams, Heeney) on top of the sheer amount of midpricers.

Good luck with it though, can't say I haven't at least considered every name out there. No Ziebell probably the big standout to me, as a guy with a genuine premium history that's had a role change that is generally positive at his price he's got significant hurt factor if he hits the best case and you've missed him. He's worth the 20k over Daniher, imo, if that's the path you're walking.

If the rookies are available I will pick them instead of the midpiced players, I wrote that in my description of the team ^^

 

[wogitalia]

What’s your honest thoughts on Heppell? Would you rather Caldwell?

Ignoring position I think Heppell is a much stronger pick.

Considering position I think it's probably a slight edge to Caldwell with a disclaimer that it's a much bigger risk.

Basically I don't think Heppell puts up premium numbers as a mid but I do think he's a legitimate cash cow option and will match all but the best rookies.

Caldwell could easily end up outside the midfield rotation and not improve much at all, making a genuine bust scenario, but I think he's also got a better chance of premium numbers, honestly think a 90 could cut it at F6 this year and he can do that if the role holds up. Talent wise he's comparable to Brayshaw or Simpkin last year who both pulled it off for example but he could just as easily do a Rozee.

It's the team I have based on the idea that there will be no rookies, there might not be any other option but to roll out a team like that, it's very far from ideal, but you sink or swim.

8 midpricers in my first team, but only 6 in my second team, I don't think there will be many teams with less than that come round 1 considering the inevitable absence of rookies.

I think the backs are the only spot we won't have a lot of rookies. At this point I've got 6 forward and mid rookies with several backups likely in my team, of course I've got about one in the backs I'm so confident in the forward rookie options that I've gone as far as having zero premiums on the line in a couple of drafts.

 

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Ignoring position I think Heppell is a much stronger pick.

Considering position I think it's probably a slight edge to Caldwell with a disclaimer that it's a much bigger risk.

Basically I don't think Heppell puts up premium numbers as a mid but I do think he's a legitimate cash cow option and will match all but the best rookies.

Caldwell could easily end up outside the midfield rotation and not improve much at all, making a genuine bust scenario, but I think he's also got a better chance of premium numbers, honestly think a 90 could cut it at F6 this year and he can do that if the role holds up. Talent wise he's comparable to Brayshaw or Simpkin last year who both pulled it off for example but he could just as easily do a Rozee.





I think the backs are the only spot we won't have a lot of rookies. At this point I've got 6 forward and mid rookies with several backups likely in my team, of course I've got about one in the backs I'm so confident in the forward rookie options that I've gone as far as having zero premiums on the line in a couple of drafts.

I don't know where you are seeing all of these rookies haha, all of them seem like they are very questionable to play and look like they would have bad scoring potential and job security even if they get named. I would rather pay for Daniher, Dow and Impey than pay for someone like Campbell or even Cahill, for a bit more money I feel like I'm not going to get burned by an overpriced rookie. I would consider Dow and Impey to pretty much be rookies given their price.

 

[PC]

Ignoring position I think Heppell is a much stronger pick.

Considering position I think it's probably a slight edge to Caldwell with a disclaimer that it's a much bigger risk.

Basically I don't think Heppell puts up premium numbers as a mid but I do think he's a legitimate cash cow option and will match all but the best rookies.

Caldwell could easily end up outside the midfield rotation and not improve much at all, making a genuine bust scenario, but I think he's also got a better chance of premium numbers, honestly think a 90 could cut it at F6 this year and he can do that if the role holds up. Talent wise he's comparable to Brayshaw or Simpkin last year who both pulled it off for example but he could just as easily do a Rozee.

Think we have to take Heppell's injury history into account as well.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Funny you should mention as the match reports said Sydney's defence has looked a little shakey and there is no strong word on Gould's round one chances yet.

Assuming Campbell is taking Mills role. Gould does appear he may not be there round 1. You are right, may be one injury away from Mills in defence.

Whilst Mills played mids as a junior, his scoring last year when he received CBA’s wasnt great. At $550k, happy to wait.

 

[Under The Dome]

Ok this is where I am at now with lack of Defence rookies about. Will cull Ridley if someone shows up.

 

[Shannon]

Ok this is where I am at now with lack of Defence rookies about. Will cull Ridley if someone shows up.

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3 forward rookies starting on the ground ... yikes, braver man than me!

Any reason for no Impey? I would certainly try to fit him at F4 if possible. Maybe change Ridley to Harmes or Young to bolster the fwds, rest of the side looks good.

 

[Eagling]

People not going with at least 9 on field rookies are base cowards, afraid of delicious doughnuts, who will be ironically punished when the fixture is torn up when a random outbreak hits Perth and the borders close and the fixture is torn up with best 18 bye rounds every week.

 

[Under The Dome]

3 forward rookies starting on the ground ... yikes, braver man than me!

Any reason for no Impey? I would certainly try to fit him at F4 if possible. Maybe change Ridley to Harmes or Young to bolster the fwds, rest of the side looks good.

Impey is a break glass in case of emergency type if I do end up moving Ridley out. Never been a fan of his after watching him every week when he played at Port. His decision making and kicking is pretty poor. There is a bit of wiggle room with those Sunday players being named with a change here and there. A Lloyd or Neale type down to Daniel or Petracca frees up 90-100k. There is also cash in some of the expensive rookies if others show up.

 

[PC]

Impey is a break glass in case of emergency type if I do end up moving Ridley out. Never been a fan of his after watching him every week when he played at Port. His decision making and kicking is pretty poor. There is a bit of wiggle room with those Sunday players being named with a change here and there. A Lloyd or Neale type down to Daniel or Petracca frees up 90-100k. There is also cash in some of the expensive rookies if others show up.

Impey is a very important player for the Hawks and has excellent JS as a result.

 

[Manikato1]

Ok this is where I am at now with lack of Defence rookies about. Will cull Ridley if someone shows up.

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I think @Under The Dome has hit the nail on the head with this team. Other posts hint at this kind of set up but it is becoming increasing obvious that some major adjustments might need to be made between now and Rd 1 on other lines to accommodate the likely lack of def rookies.

Unless some really solid rookies appear the classic 3-0-3, 3-1-2 or 4-0-2 set up is probably not going to make it. IMO right now there is not four rookies (2 on field and 2 on bench) available with any confidence. If you are going with one of those set ups just mentioned you will need a plan B or even C or D in place.

Players like Young (Port), Young and Chapman (Freo) look promising but will find it hard to break into well established back lines and even if they do their JS is probably not good. Madden is also in the boat. We don’t know about Gould yet, Wehr is unseen and Highmore seems very iffy. DBG seems to have dropped off the preferred list.

N Cox is the most likely for mine to get an on field spot and be able to hold it. J Kosi is another but many comments I have seen suggest he will be slow burner. FD in def has also been mooted but I have found it only takes a couples rounds and I have a donut already without deliberately sticking one in. And you lose the chance to have a cash making rookie.

Like this team I have put Dow into the mids for Heppell (I hope his form is confirmed this weekend) and also compromised on one of my mids by taking Macrae out and putting Dunkley in with the future idea of the fwd rookies creating enough cash to switch Dunkley forward and do a mid upgrade.

That assists with some mid pricers like a Cummins or Idun but they still don’t give me a lot of confidence.

 

[BIGB0Y]

Here's a different version of the side, I might prefer this one more

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I like the guts not starting Lloyd and Neale. I’m really considering not starting one of them I just don’t know which one....

 

[Shannon]

I think @Under The Dome has hit the nail on the head with this team. Other posts hint at this kind of set up but it is becoming increasing obvious that some major adjustments might need to be made between now and Rd 1 on other lines to accommodate the likely lack of def rookies.

Unless some really solid rookies appear the classic 3-0-3, 3-1-2 or 4-0-2 set up is probably not going to make it. IMO right now there is not four rookies (2 on field and 2 on bench) available with any confidence. If you are going with one of those set ups just mentioned you will need a plan B or even C or D in place.

Players like Young (Port), Young and Chapman (Freo) look promising but will find it hard to break into well established back lines and even if they do their JS is probably not good. Madden is also in the boat. We don’t know about Gould yet, Wehr is unseen and Highmore seems very iffy. DBG seems to have dropped off the preferred list.

N Cox is the most likely for mine to get an on field spot and be able to hold it. J Kosi is another but many comments I have seen suggest he will be slow burner. FD in def has also been mooted but I have found it only takes a couples rounds and I have a donut already without deliberately sticking one in. And you lose the chance to have a cash making rookie.

Like this team I have put Dow into the mids for Heppell (I hope his form is confirmed this weekend) and also compromised on one of my mids by taking Macrae out and putting Dunkley in with the future idea of the fwd rookies creating enough cash to switch Dunkley forward and do a mid upgrade.

That assists with some mid pricers like a Cummins or Idun but they still don’t give me a lot of confidence.

What makes you think Hayden Young from Freo will find it difficult to “break into” their backline? Before he got injured last season he was looking very comfortable at AFL level. Has had a great preseason/ noticeable stronger & one of the stars on the training track.
He has been sharing kick in duties with Ryan, in training it looks like they want to get the ball to him when possible as he is such a quality kick. Firmly believe he is in their best 22 myself no question.

 

[Under The Dome]

Impey is a very important player for the Hawks and has excellent JS as a result.

Yeh he is a decent option but atm I prefer Dow pending round 1. Could also end up a backup if a Ziebell/Daniher break down.

 

[wogitalia]

I don't know where you are seeing all of these rookies haha, all of them seem like they are very questionable to play and look like they would have bad scoring potential and job security even if they get named. I would rather pay for Daniher, Dow and Impey than pay for someone like Campbell or even Cahill, for a bit more money I feel like I'm not going to get burned by an overpriced rookie. I would consider Dow and Impey to pretty much be rookies given their price.

I need to start using cash cow instead of rookie because this place has such an incredibly specific meaning to the word rookie being a kid who hasn't played a game before... good old semantics

When I say rookie I just mean rookie priced players so I'm counting Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, Dow, L. Young, Cahill and the likes in that group.

Looking at the forwards you've got Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, Dow, Campbell, Cahill, Perkins, Chandler, Jones, Thilthorpe, Warner, Jarvis, Henry, Macrae, Cockatoo, Smith, Jones, Evans, Ralphsmith, Rowe, Brockman, Treacy and Scott who've all at least put their names in the mix and I would be surprised if half of them don't play, that's 23 names there.

A good chunk of that group are also mid eligible but also can throw in Powell, Downie, Gulden, Valente, RAT, Bruhn, Sharp, Jordon, Shipley, Martyn, Berry, Lazzaro and McNeil who are also in the mix, several very strongly so.

Meanwhile in defense I've got Cox, L. Young, Clark, Hamill, Zuthrie and Butts all at least 170k+ and then Ling, Chapman, Madden, Gould and Kosi and of that 2nd group I'd be surprised if much more than 2 get named. Really praying for a couple of cheap bench guys at least!

 

[Manikato1]

What makes you think Hayden Young from Freo will find it difficult to “break into” their backline? Before he got injured last season he was looking very comfortable at AFL level. Has had a great preseason/ noticeable stronger & one of the stars on the training track.
He has been sharing kick in duties with Ryan, in training it looks like they want to get the ball to him when possible as he is such a quality kick. Firmly believe he is in their best 22 myself no question.

You may well be right. Pretty sure from memory they had injuries last year when he got his debut. He had a good score against Gold Coast. I will be happy if he gets a game and Freo indicate he is best 22 but we will wait and see.

 

[Connoisseur]

@Herbie66

$0 remaining salary, Ziebell at F1 and Cumming at D6