Position SC 2021: Defender Discussion

[Herbie66]

Picking Williams is a flawed choice, unless you think he's an exceptional starting pick, like a 110+ guy. Compounding that with more flawed to outright bad choices doesn't make that a better move...

Starting Laird in the mids is essentially saying the defender rookies are better than the mid rookies, which makes then switching them to cover with a mid instead of the defender you picked over the mids kind of illogical. Realistically the only reason to start a DEF/FWD in the mids is if the rookies in the DEF/FWD are better and you want them on field and in your team over the mid rookies.

Picking Fantasia to cover for Williams is a train wreck. Picking a midpricer that is a durability disaster, with no premium scoring history that is playing forward pocket so you can pick a premium to not play a game just hurts me!

Don't change your structure and push out better picks so you can take Williams. You're either happy with your back cover and willing to ride out the week because you think he's that good a starting pick or you're not and you don't.

Maybe the back rookies will surprise and all of them will be picked and look safe in the side but I strongly doubt it.

wow

was just a simple comment about why it had to be a defender rookie to cover Williams if someone still wanted to start him Round 1.

and possibly can be covered by Laird with DPP or maybe Fantasia if they didn't trust a rookie at D7.

Williams is just a matter of when he breaks , good luck if he does now play 21 games

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Sharp is unlikely I'd think given he's got high school to attend to and the priority clubs put on that, I may be wrong but Hanners is the last player I can recall playing while in HS.

Kayne Turner and Josh Battle a couple of others who did a touch more recently.

 

[Bomber18]

I love an injury prone player with good scoring potential but even Fantasia is too injury prone for me haha. If he was 150-200k, I’d be on board but his soft tissue history and 270k price makes him hard to pick for me personally. Struggled to put together 5+ games in a row at the Dons.

Could do really well at Port and sounds like he has had a decent preseason so wish him all the best. But too much risk for me at that price which o***ets the reward.

 

[Rumbler]

Didn't know Whitfield was injured but can't say I'm not surprised

Tossing up between L.Ryan, T.Stewart and C.Daniel as replacements
Willing to be convinced of someone else too!

 

[jaca]

Do we still like Doc?

He's not left my side, he's only in 7% of teams (using @Rowsus' method I think he's a higher chance than that to be a good pick) , but is currently at D4 and I'm getting cold feet.

 

[BigRuss]

Do we still like Doc?

He's not left my side, he's only in 7% of teams (using @Rowsus' method I think he's a higher chance than that to be a good pick) , but is currently at D4 and I'm getting cold feet.

Hasn’t left my side. All these people frothing for kick in taking, long kicking defenders and he’s barely had a mention. 2nd year back from ACL traditionally a better year too.

Gone from champ to chump in a matter of days

 

[freowho]

Has anyone released kick in stats for all the preseason games? Did I miss it?

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Has anyone released kick in stats for all the preseason games? Did I miss it?

Released earlier this morning, see Bombers post below...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1369371188984766468

 

[N29]

I think Docherty as a pick is fine, slight concern that he struggled with the workload as the season went on in 2020 and now the workload has picked up again (longer quarters, less interchanges). But last years decline is to be expected, coming off the injury run he had.

I think you'd find if he had a better score in the pre-season game people would be all over him, so if you like him as a pick that was a great result for you creating a POD. He's definitely in my considerations.

One guy with a similar ownership who I haven't seen mentioned around here too often is Jordan Ridley - and he did put up 110 in the preseason game. Hasn't had a perfect pre-season but played 97% TOG against the Cats which would suggest he is fit and firing.

 

[freowho]

Released earlier this morning, see Bombers post below...

Thanks Goodies. More soup for you. 👍

 

[Shannon]

I think Docherty as a pick is fine, slight concern that he struggled with the workload as the season went on in 2020 and now the workload has picked up again (longer quarters, less interchanges). But last years decline is to be expected, coming off the injury run he had.

I think you'd find if he had a better score in the pre-season game people would be all over him, so if you like him as a pick that was a great result for you creating a POD. He's definitely in my considerations.

One guy with a similar ownership who I haven't seen mentioned around here too often is Jordan Ridley - and he did put up 110 in the preseason game. Hasn't had a perfect pre-season but played 97% TOG against the Cats which would suggest he is fit and firing.

Ridley would be the guy I would pick if I wanted 1 more defender premium - looked really good, took all the kick ins also I note v the cats.

 

[Athomas]

One guy with a similar ownership who I haven't seen mentioned around here too often is Jordan Ridley - and he did put up 110 in the preseason game. Hasn't had a perfect pre-season but played 97% TOG against the Cats which would suggest he is fit and firing.

Very enticing, mainly the 97% TOG but taking all 7 kick-ins (and playing on from all 7) help as well.

Not sure what the breakdown was in 2020 with someone like Saad.

 

[Tranterpants]

Very enticing, mainly the 97% TOG but taking all 7 kick-ins (and playing on from all 7) help as well.

Not sure what the breakdown was in 2020 with someone like Saad.

I would’ve thought Hurley would’ve been the other main one taking them off him, but with him out for the year as well, could be an opportunity...

 

[SuchIsLife]

Do we still like Doc?

He's not left my side, he's only in 7% of teams (using @Rowsus' method I think he's a higher chance than that to be a good pick) , but is currently at D4 and I'm getting cold feet.

Debating Doc vs Crisp vs Ridley vs Daniel vs Mcdonald at D4.

What worries me is the wrong trajectory of Doc's scores. Coming off a significant injury, he shouldve started poorly, before rebounding as he regain fitness. But the fact that his latter half of the season was significantly worse indicates to me that he was playing at close to 100% in 2020, but there was a structural change in the way they plan/positional change for him as a player.

 

[McLovin]

Debating Doc vs Crisp vs Ridley vs Daniel vs Mcdonald at D4.

What worries me is the wrong trajectory of Doc's scores. Coming off a significant injury, he shouldve started poorly, before rebounding as he regain fitness. But the fact that his latter half of the season was significantly worse indicates to me that he was playing at close to 100% in 2020, but there was a structural change in the way they plan/positional change for him as a player.

You might be onto something there. I thought Docherty might've been playing a more team oriented organising role in the backline at times. It's hard to know for sure of course.

 

[Bomber18]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1369497283218214916

 

[Grundogging]

Debating Doc vs Crisp vs Ridley vs Daniel vs Mcdonald at D4.

What worries me is the wrong trajectory of Doc's scores. Coming off a significant injury, he shouldve started poorly, before rebounding as he regain fitness. But the fact that his latter half of the season was significantly worse indicates to me that he was playing at close to 100% in 2020, but there was a structural change in the way they plan/positional change for him as a player.

It was just as much a case of his form going down the toilet as anything else - looked sluggish and couldn't get near the ball in a lot of games in the second half and his disposal effectiveness dipped significantly just as the cherry on top.

 

[wogitalia]

I love an injury prone player with good scoring potential but even Fantasia is too injury prone for me haha. If he was 150-200k, I’d be on board but his soft tissue history and 270k price makes him hard to pick for me personally. Struggled to put together 5+ games in a row at the Dons.

Could do really well at Port and sounds like he has had a decent preseason so wish him all the best. But too much risk for me at that price which o***ets the reward.

It's tough to underrate how bad the Bombers medical staff has been at times though so that in itself can be a pretty big factor. Still agree entirely, too much risk.

Hasn’t left my side. All these people frothing for kick in taking, long kicking defenders and he’s barely had a mention. 2nd year back from ACL traditionally a better year too.

Gone from champ to chump in a matter of days

In my side currently, agree entirely but there's definitely some concerns with him.

Very enticing, mainly the 97% TOG but taking all 7 kick-ins (and playing on from all 7) help as well.

Not sure what the breakdown was in 2020 with someone like Saad.

Also intercept marks, having two strings to the bow makes him much harder to tag or remove from scoring and increases his ceiling significantly.

It was just as much a case of his form going down the toilet as anything else - looked sluggish and couldn't get near the ball in a lot of games in the second half and his disposal effectiveness dipped significantly just as the cherry on top.

He copped a couple of tags, starting with Geary in round 5 and continuing for the next month. After that he looked pretty banged up before hurting the calf (but I reckon he was carrying that for a bit).

The problem is the durability has been an issue, cancer and surgery this o***eason, and the tags will come again if he's too good.

As "bad" as he was last year he averaged 97.6 prior to the injury game. Saad is going to take attention away as well, think he's a net positive alongside the rule changes.

That said, can totally buy not taking on the risk, durability in particular, and just paying up for the extra security on some of the other names.

 

[blue dreamer]

Can see all the logic in not selecting Williams.
He is probably staying in my team on the contrarian anti logic that had the incident occurred in any round during the season a one week suspension would not normally lead me to trade out unless there were significant other reasons to trade.

 

[Zagbag]

Can see all the logic in not selecting Williams.
He is probably staying in my team on the contrarian anti logic that had the incident occurred in any round during the season a one week suspension would not normally lead me to trade out unless there were significant other reasons to trade.

Except when it happens during the season you don’t have prior knowledge that it’s about to happen. Now, you do...