Position 2021: Ruck Discussion
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I think I do subscribe to this theory of Gawn playing more forward against weaker opponents, but that should be against weak clubs and weak rucks right?
If they were to play against a strong club with a weak ruck, they would need Gawn to assert as much dominance as possible. Think all of St Kilda, Fremantle and GWS fit this criteria.
If they were to play against a strong club with a weak ruck, they would need Gawn to assert as much dominance as possible. Think all of St Kilda, Fremantle and GWS fit this criteria.
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I sort of thought about this in reverse and is why I preferred Martin at R1.
If Gawn or Grundy have gone nuts, the dollar gap is reachable in one trade i.e. worst performing/injured premo (mid, back or forward) down to a missed rookie, then Martin up to the must-have ruck. Unless you keep significant dollars in the bank, it would be tough to reach Gawn/Grundy from a failed $124,000-or-less ruck rookie, in a 2 trade correction scenario.
If Gawn or Grundy have gone nuts, the dollar gap is reachable in one trade i.e. worst performing/injured premo (mid, back or forward) down to a missed rookie, then Martin up to the must-have ruck. Unless you keep significant dollars in the bank, it would be tough to reach Gawn/Grundy from a failed $124,000-or-less ruck rookie, in a 2 trade correction scenario.
I think 3 rookies on the ruck line is really pushing it, but I'm pretty sold on going Gawn plus two more.
As much as we know Gawn will drop in price, having those 150s as your C in the first few weeks when he monsters some weak opposition is just gold. The question now is really which two to put with him: Flynn/Meek, Flynn/Hunter, Meek/Hunter or throw Treacy/Fullerton as an F8/R3 swing set.
If Flynn isn't fit for R1 but is nearly there, I'd still be tempted to start him as my donut to play. That really might be too crazy though.
As much as we know Gawn will drop in price, having those 150s as your C in the first few weeks when he monsters some weak opposition is just gold. The question now is really which two to put with him: Flynn/Meek, Flynn/Hunter, Meek/Hunter or throw Treacy/Fullerton as an F8/R3 swing set.
If Flynn isn't fit for R1 but is nearly there, I'd still be tempted to start him as my donut to play. That really might be too crazy though.
From my read on the Tigers, it looks like Coleman-Jones could debut in round 5 (would have been earlier if not for a dodgy kebab) Big wraps on him and reasonable JS given that Soldo is out for the year and the Tigers preference for 2 rucks. He's an excellent mark and moves quite well around the ground.
His price at 161k is a bit of a put off but I think he'd be a good downgrade target for someone like Hunter who's JS is probably shot after 4 rounds.
It cannot be a one trade fix and going up to Gawndy is harder than going down unless you keep some cash spare deliberately. Which is why I prefer going with Gawndy to start and keeping the option to restructure for R3 because my assessment now is that it is more likely that it won't be necessary because of the JS questions on the rookies rucks before we even discuss their scoring potential which I worry is globally being over estimated.
Bat at least you know if you start Gawndy you don't have to be committed all year, you can pick the correct second rookie ruck in R3 with better info, but it will cost you two correction trades to undo.
Bat at least you know if you start Gawndy you don't have to be committed all year, you can pick the correct second rookie ruck in R3 with better info, but it will cost you two correction trades to undo.
Yes it is, if you have Neale + $30K or, if not. leave whatever spare cash you need to from your most expensive mid. ie, Neale plus $30K. Macrae plus $95K. Otherwise spare cash to enable to double trade. I wouldn't go in sans Neale and Gawn and no bank otherwise you get stuck without Gawn, if being stuck without Gawn ends up being bad news early.
Which two out of Hunter, Meek, Flynn?
Hunter- 28yo, could play the first 6 rounds if Ryder needs more time off or Marshall's injury takes a while to heal.
He also has a history of scoring high supercoach scores in the safl.
Meek- nearly a 23yo, Could be the first choice ruckman with Darcy marked to play as a forward and Lobb injured.
Flynn- 23yo, first choice ruckman now with Preuss out and Mumford only there as backup. Ankle injury the only concern.
Hunter- 28yo, could play the first 6 rounds if Ryder needs more time off or Marshall's injury takes a while to heal.
He also has a history of scoring high supercoach scores in the safl.
Meek- nearly a 23yo, Could be the first choice ruckman with Darcy marked to play as a forward and Lobb injured.
Flynn- 23yo, first choice ruckman now with Preuss out and Mumford only there as backup. Ankle injury the only concern.
On AFL360 he said Marshall was progressing well and "might be RD2 or RD3. If it's a bit longer, it's a bit longer. We have to get him right". And about Ryder he said "he'll come back, whether it's a week two or three", and clarified he took leave because hadn't seen his family for 15 months because of COVID and o***eason surgery, which made it sound like a short-term break rather than a serious issue to deal with.
Still up in the air and it's certainly still possible Hunter gets enough games to make money, but it's no longer a bet I want to make, given the risks involved.
Still up in the air and it's certainly still possible Hunter gets enough games to make money, but it's no longer a bet I want to make, given the risks involved.