Position 2021: Ruck Discussion
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Just putting this out here
If any of 2 of Meek/Hunter/Flynn score 80+ 2x and end up with a huge negative breakevens (one way or the other) in say R1-2, will those with Gawndy have to decide to downgrade to bank cash generation?
Points is one thing but isn’t the priority near the beginning of the season to try bank as much $ with rookies as possible? I’m personally going to go with the Gawn + 2 rook lineup because the first 1-2 price rises are always the steepest
You could easily see Hunter/Meek/Flynn reach 300k by R6, and for those running Gawndy, will the extra points scored o***et the value gained? For me it’s a no-brainer - playing rookies at basement price with reasonable job security should be a considered a priority early on
If any of 2 of Meek/Hunter/Flynn score 80+ 2x and end up with a huge negative breakevens (one way or the other) in say R1-2, will those with Gawndy have to decide to downgrade to bank cash generation?
Points is one thing but isn’t the priority near the beginning of the season to try bank as much $ with rookies as possible? I’m personally going to go with the Gawn + 2 rook lineup because the first 1-2 price rises are always the steepest
You could easily see Hunter/Meek/Flynn reach 300k by R6, and for those running Gawndy, will the extra points scored o***et the value gained? For me it’s a no-brainer - playing rookies at basement price with reasonable job security should be a considered a priority early on
It’s the scoring ppg bar I am questioning moreso than the concept of the premium cash out. The comment I quoted was that a 80 rookie was good enough to cull a premium for. Yes I guess if the premium was injured or seriously underperforming.
But otherwise I usually would hold fire unless the rookie is pushing up over 90.
Draper last year had a 122 but the rest around 74 and below. Would you trade out Gawn for that? ROB first 4 scores were 80-90. That’s more in the range.
But otherwise I usually would hold fire unless the rookie is pushing up over 90.
Draper last year had a 122 but the rest around 74 and below. Would you trade out Gawn for that? ROB first 4 scores were 80-90. That’s more in the range.
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In a vaccuum probably not enough but there are so many moving parts it's hard to tell. The proposition was that two out of the Flynn/Meek/Hunter were scoring 80+. So the correction would be to bring the 80+ on field and add what would look like a $300k earning cash cow. If that coincided with an underperforming rookie elsewhere (say you were relying on Highmore on field but he got dropped, or scored a couple of 40s) then that would probably be enough for me unless both Gawn and Grundy were looking unstoppable.
I think the rookie averaging 80 is kind of the constant to work around and all the other factors make the decision.
Gawn and Grundy starting slow or with a tanking score in round 2, would make the trade easy.
Several other rookies already out of the side and cash looking awfully thin would also make it a pretty easy choice unless Gawn/Grundy were far outproducing their starting points.
Anything else and it's line ball at 80. I personally put the value of a trade at around 100k, so at 80 you'd be making ~200k profit on the trade which is probably worth it but there is certainly risks that that profit doesn't happen (dropped, injured, not actually being an 80) so I can understand not doing it.
Gawn and Grundy starting slow or with a tanking score in round 2, would make the trade easy.
Several other rookies already out of the side and cash looking awfully thin would also make it a pretty easy choice unless Gawn/Grundy were far outproducing their starting points.
Anything else and it's line ball at 80. I personally put the value of a trade at around 100k, so at 80 you'd be making ~200k profit on the trade which is probably worth it but there is certainly risks that that profit doesn't happen (dropped, injured, not actually being an 80) so I can understand not doing it.
Based on the last 3 years of Gawndy it’s a lot to give up just to get another 20-30 points on a rookie swap. A rookie swap you could make in another position in one trade in theory.
We know either Gawn or Grundy can start slow but then drop a huge score and there ends up being no really big price drop.
As you say, lots of moving parts involved.
One thing that would really stick under the fingernails would be you make the big downgrade and the rookie ruck gets dropped the week after. Max then rubs salt into the wound that round and drops a lazy 160.
In a roundabout way I’m saying across these multiple posts i think it would have to look irresistible to me rather than just wanting 80 in one rookie spot instead of 50. I would need there to be no other solution to my 50ppg rookie.
We know either Gawn or Grundy can start slow but then drop a huge score and there ends up being no really big price drop.
As you say, lots of moving parts involved.
One thing that would really stick under the fingernails would be you make the big downgrade and the rookie ruck gets dropped the week after. Max then rubs salt into the wound that round and drops a lazy 160.
In a roundabout way I’m saying across these multiple posts i think it would have to look irresistible to me rather than just wanting 80 in one rookie spot instead of 50. I would need there to be no other solution to my 50ppg rookie.
Yep, it would be a real buttclencher for sure.
The main thing keeping me on Gawn is the fear he will monster the early draw, so if he didn't do that against Meek and Hunter first up it would have me jittery. Obviously that would be a major factor one way or the other.
But 20-30 points of advantage with your on-field rookie is nothing to be sneezed at, particularly if it's on top of 200k extra cash gen. If Gawn was doing anything other than being the dominant captaincy option, and there were premos on other lines that were outperforming and you wanted to jump on, you're already close to enough to warrant the trades IMO.
The main thing keeping me on Gawn is the fear he will monster the early draw, so if he didn't do that against Meek and Hunter first up it would have me jittery. Obviously that would be a major factor one way or the other.
But 20-30 points of advantage with your on-field rookie is nothing to be sneezed at, particularly if it's on top of 200k extra cash gen. If Gawn was doing anything other than being the dominant captaincy option, and there were premos on other lines that were outperforming and you wanted to jump on, you're already close to enough to warrant the trades IMO.
I reckon the Draper example is decent. I would have Flynn at 70-80. If Meek was playing solo would give him similar. But assuming he shares with Darcy before long (if he plays at all) I would bump it down to 60ish. That plus JS issues plus Gawn FOMO plus good enough looking rookies on other lines is enough to keep me on Gawn/Grundy for now.