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cheers Herbie,

only got a few $$ lew in the bank around 6k

havent fully locked in rookies but will probably need some cash from somewhere, will end up dropping one of my 600k midfielders to cripps to fund it

not confident on fantasia or anyone under 400k other than caldwell really, especially up forward
Fair enough , I have relented and loaded up in defence and going 7 deep in the mids (including Danger) so Fantasia is sitting at F1 now 😀

Decided on Fantasia , Ziebell , Daniher + 5 rookies if named.

I can't predict which ones out of Bailey , Bolton , Butters , Caldwell , Ryan etc will break out so prepared to wait and see , and if it costs me more down the track sobeit.

Still think the likes of Danger , Dunkley , Dusty , Marshall , Sidebottom & Zorko will be close to the highest averaging forwards.

As much as I want to start all 3 of the rookie rucks , have relented with Gawn at R1 due to his captaincy factor for the first 6 rounds.

If needed (more info on Marshall/Ryder and the Darcy/Meek situation) can possibly correct in Round 3.
 
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Thought Downie was mid only ?

Treacy may not even play , think Henry scored 7 in Aami game , be surprised if he debuts Round 1.

If Powell is not named , who replaces him onfield ? then need a alternative for the bench.

Could see problems very easily with the mid rookies.

I guess we just wait for teams maybe Bowey , Jordon , Lazarro , Sharp etc are viable alternatives.

It changes quickly a few weeks ago RMT had all of Cockatoo , Collier-Dawkins , Macrae , Mead , E Smith , Stephens & Valente in them , now it looks like none of them will play Round 1.

I guess I am just trying to get ideas that come Friday/Saturday if a few of these popular mid options are actually not named what are the alternatives apart from going into panic mode.
Easier way was just create my team with Campbell @ M9 and Powell @ M10 and make adjustments when debutants/teams are announced.
 
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Looking for genuine feedback, haven’t posted any sides to date, don’t think.

Mills, Duggan and Dow obvious ones that could be contentious.

Also not running a dedicated loop, and from a risk perspective, don’treally like the idea of running Ziebell, Dow and Daniher up forward.

Any feedback greatly appreciated, easy to get tunnel vision after a while.
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Yeah the 3 rookie ruck option does make for some solid looking teams. THe problem I had with it though was that I couldn't decide what to do with the loose change. I was good down to D5, M5(+1) and F3(+2), which left me looking at just 3 rooks for each of my backs and forwards. Felt like I wasn't giving myself the best chance of getting the right ones. And as to spending bigger in the mids, well yeah I could get Steele but then Oliver, Kelly and Neale come with injury risk and you really notice that once you ditch the reliability of Gawndy.

Then there was the rucks themselves. 3 rookies means you can be in a world of hurt if 2 of them don't show and the 3 in question all carry risk. I liked Meek's game against a quality opponent and Hunter should be OK unless Ryder jsut decides out of nowhere to come back and I haven't seen Flynn play. I saw Briggs play and he looked great. Flynn is carrying an ankle. Too risky.

So if I keep one of Gawndy, then I can trust that he will stay upright as good as any other ruck and if it hits the fan with the rookies, I can fix it with one trade. Hunter to miss out because it is easier to trade down to a 102k player than go the other way. This has also stopped me overspending on backs and given the squad a nice balance, I think. I chose Grundy over Gawn due to Reg's down year last year against Maxy's big year out. It left me an extra hunjy to splash around the park.

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$2,400 spare. Nowhere near as much as I'd like.

Not sure when the GWS team will drop but we should at least see extended benches on Friday night. If Briggs is on field, that would be nice. Otherwise I have to pay attention on the Saturday. Pity the drop is so late because many drafts had Young in them but Freo plays early on Saturday so at the moment, he's out. I can't run the risk of having him in, only to find that Briggs isn't named. I can only afford 3 of Phillips, Young, Clark and Caldwell. Young is the one I am least against losing.

In the event of a Briggs no-show I'd hope that a Bergman type would appear but if it the more expensive Warner, then maybe Caldwell or Phillips into Daniher and Briggs into Warner or even Impey. If it's early enough, I could still maybe go a Murray type into Young after all.

Other option is axing Powell as I wasn't too impressed with what I saw there and using that cash instead. Hoping Sharp gets picked. I really liked his game on the weekend. Yeah he'll miss games but he should still play plenty.
 
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Looking for genuine feedback, haven’t posted any sides to date, don’t think.

Mills, Duggan and Dow obvious ones that could be contentious.

Also not running a dedicated loop, and from a risk perspective, don’treally like the idea of running Ziebell, Dow and Daniher up forward.

Any feedback greatly appreciated, easy to get tunnel vision after a while.
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It's very mid-pricey. I count Duggan, Taranto, Clark, Dow, Phillips, Ziebell, Daniher and Impey = 8 players there that are likely to need upgrading. Maybe Duggan can go top 10 on his line and perhaps Phillips but none of the others will and that's a problem when you are also gambling on value picks (this year) in Mitchell, Cripps and Mills. You'll get off to a flyer though with only 4 or 5 rookie level players on field
 
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It's very mid-pricey. I count Duggan, Taranto, Clark, Dow, Phillips, Ziebell, Daniher and Impey = 8 players there that are likely to need upgrading. Maybe Duggan can go top 10 on his line and perhaps Phillips but none of the others will and that's a problem when you are also gambling on value picks (this year) in Mitchell, Cripps and Mills. You'll get off to a flyer though with only 4 or 5 rookie level players on field
Yeah, it would definitely contain a few in that band.
Looked at one without the 200k+ types, which would enable grabbing another midfielder (as an example). But the rookies seem really questionable.
Struggling a bit to find a decent balance

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Lot of tinkering going on here and a very interesting mix obtained, there's a few versions of this but currently this is the one I've settled, this is a pure speculation and I'm sure anyone who's paid any attention to what I've said will be laughing at some of the choices :)

My final team may look nothing like this, ultimately the rookies will pick my side and I'd happily ditch a defender if I can.

Backs

Laird - Hasn't left my side although I'll admit I wavered a little for the first time after the preseason game!
Ridley - Was in my very first draft, didn't love his preseason but he played well in the games and I love his upside.
Daniel - Probably the one I like the least with the fear of tags but also the one I like the rule changes the most for.
Stewart - Finally got him in, even if it cost me Lloyd, I see some upside here also.
Short - Just love him as a player so happy to turn that into hatred very quickly if he lets me down :LOL:

Highmore - The best on-field value right now, I still like Cox but only paying for him if I have to.
Kosi - Safe bench choice.
Murray - Value and he looked good and has a chance. I would like someone a bit safer but I'll let you know when that unicorn appears.

I'd like Lloyd, especially with 5 premiums but going down to Stewart (I think it's really Daniel who is the 5th chosen here though) effectively allowed me to get Dunkley in (there were two other moves also).

At this point I'm basically on the 5 premiums path, to Lloyd or not to Lloyd is the question.

Mids

Macrae - Love the rule changes for him. Love his durability. Love his scoring history. Don't love the Treloar cat among the pigeons but he's the guy I think is able to weather the storm and will still be the top Dog, pardon the pun.
Merrett - Loved his preseason, looks excellent. Rule changes suit him, role change matching with end of last year and love him as a player.
Walsh - Speculative but I think the rule changes suit him and I think he can push 115, which is what I need from one of the 4 "speculative" picks.
Cripps - It's amazing how a bad game can sway the feelings, went from locked in until I watched him and then panic sets in. Ultimately it's a guy who has gone 117+ in 2 of his last 3 years priced at 97. 110 will do the job.
Rowell - Yep... he weaseled his way in, I can't say it was a plan but when I ditched Gawn all of a sudden Dow and a 123k rookie could be Taranto and Rowell and, while I'm not a huge believer in either, I can't stop the idea that both can hit premium numbers and that at their prices the keeper threshold is reduced. I'm hoping for 110 here.
Taranto - Yep... after what has felt like a preseason waging a vendetta against him (despite actually liking him as a player!) he also has found a way in. This particular team needs a 105 from him. Really what I need is a 115, two 110s and a 105 from the 4 value picks and they can all stay all season. Taranto handballs a bit more and he fixes his ratio a decent chunk.

Campbell - I think he's my top rated of the genuine rookies at this point. Worth the premium.
Powell - Also really liked what I saw from him, looks the kind who if he's there round one he'll be very successful. There is a fair bit of competition for spots though. He's worth the premium imo but if the JS looks very iffy I can drop to other options.
Gulden - Love him.
Scott - Will see what happens but I think he's there round 1 and a very solid rookie, FWIW I'd probably start him up forward over Rowe, I haven't actually tinkered with rookies in this draft except the ruck setup.

I actually really like this mix, I'd love Neale. I had to drop Kelly to Cripps to get Dunkley in up forward but otherwise I think I'm happy with the choices. Which feels weird. Rookies are the interesting part.

Rucks

Grundy - I think the rucks are going to fall a fair bit. I think Grundy is underpriced on previous seasons, therefore I think Grundy will be ball park fair value at this price if he can bounce back to previous levels while copping a hit from market movement. Somehow despite that, I'd still prefer Gawn but this was the other change that allowed Dunkley and I think Dunkley could go hard.
Flynn - Like him a lot, was genuinely impressed by his work. I remember being impressed with him a few years ago in preseason as well. I feel very confident that he's a top 3 rookie this year barring injury.
Meek - Was super impressed with his game, just looks a talent and as much as I rate Darcy he's done nothing to deserve to play ahead of Meek after a few years of opportunity, if anything he's done the opposite by constantly being grossly overweight. I'm actually confident that Meek makes the #1 ruck spot his own, Darcy will get the chance to do a Marshall basically if he can.

I really want to go the 3 rookies but as much as I rate Meek I know how highly Darcy is rated internally and he should be so if Meek failed his JS is an issue and if he's not playing the 3 rookie rucks can quickly become a disaster. Hunter doesn't have the JS either with all the unknown. FWIW I actually really like the look of Hunter and think he holds out McKernan so Marshall can ease back in up forward but Ryder is playing whenever he's back and we have no idea when. If they came out and said Ryder wont be back until round 6, Meek is picked alongside Darcy and Flynn is picked, I'd go 3 rookies.

Forwards

Dunkley - I like Danger more but I can't find the cash and I still like Dunkley and even though I like Danger more I can totally create the story where Dunkley is the top forward.
Phillips - This pick is probably more about my overall forward expectations than it is Phillips. I think 95 is going to be good for F4-6 this year, especially if you're paying 75 for it. At 75, if Phillips can get to 90 I think he works out as a keeper.
Caldwell - Same theory basically only high 80s would probably do the trick here. I think Caldwell can push to something similar to Bailey Smith last year (92) and if he did that's a keeper by my numbers.
Ziebell - High end rookie with genuine keeper potential, imo. If he's bad at his role he should score mid 80s. If he's good, 100 is genuinely in play. He won't matter though until people start trading him out as he should be the first player picked in every side.

Warner - Not sold here but if he's there round 1 and genuinely looks to have the wing, that changes. Plenty of options but the issue is so many are more expensive which would mean changes, did someone say 3 rookie rucks :LOL:
Rowe - Safe as houses, as mentioned, probably start Scott over him.
Fullarton - Honestly, I forgot about him after tinkering with a 3 rookie ruck setup, probably go someone else here but don't mind him.
Brockman - Liked what I saw. There are options around for this spot.

Would be targeting Danger and probably Marshall as the final two here if they look good. Dusty at his annual round 8 discount also an option. Mostly this structure here is about a belief in the forward premium group being overpriced or unavailable to the point that the requirements for the position drop. I don't really love any of the sub-premium guys to push 105+ under current scenarios, which means I think you've basically got Dunkley and Danger as the 105+ guys and then I think a group of 95-100 guys left over which means well priced 92s will match that.


Generally if I've nailed my picks/thoughts then this is a 16 keeper team which makes the Lloyd, Danger, Gawn and Neale upgrades a heck of a lot more obtainable, especially if I can get a Martin/Marshall for a nice discount, the final mid I'm not worried, one of those guys is going to be cheap at some point. The risk obviously is that I need the cows to produce as I don't have as many of them and working with less "cash generation" spots means I need upgrade targets that also generate some cash.

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I see 10 Keepers, way to many mid pricers for my liking, Rowell , Taranto, Walsh, Phillips, Caldwell???? Some may pay off but to many for my liking
 
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Looking for genuine feedback, haven’t posted any sides to date, don’t think.

Mills, Duggan and Dow obvious ones that could be contentious.

Also not running a dedicated loop, and from a risk perspective, don’treally like the idea of running Ziebell, Dow and Daniher up forward.

Any feedback greatly appreciated, easy to get tunnel vision after a while.
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Thanks for all your posts this year Gutsroy.

Team is well balance, no obvious holes anywhere in terms of having picked cheap rookies who will be sharing a donut with you. Just comes down to personal choice of selections.

Mitchell burnt us last year when picked without a preseason game. Not sure what has held him back, if not conservatism on shoulder then lack of game time is a concern. He started slow for a reason last year. Should be fine by year end.

Mills a hard one, last year and AAMI season game suggest he may not be a 105 player. prefer to gamble on one of the prove defenders at this price.

Question marks whether Cripps and Duggan get to premium status. I like Phillips, although, keeping expectations modest given its Hawks and they played NM in AAMI.

Bench is perfect.

Have you consider Clark into defence, Duggan out, downgrade Daniher or Dow and upgrade Duggan to Rowell and it may allow another change to Mills/Cripps/Mitchell/Taranto if you were not sold on one of them.

Given defenders may have a high bar this year, does Duggan get there? Rowell hard to gauge, ave 140 last year playing mids for 3 games, will get attention, 17 CP in preseason game, what happens if he get cheap possessions.
 
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Thanks for all your posts this year Gutsroy.

Team is well balance, no obvious holes anywhere in terms of having picked cheap rookies who will be sharing a donut with you. Just comes down to personal choice of selections.

Mitchell burnt us last year when picked without a preseason game. Not sure what has held him back, if not conservatism on shoulder then lack of game time is a concern. He started slow for a reason last year. Should be fine by year end.

Mills a hard one, last year and AAMI season game suggest he may not be a 105 player. prefer to gamble on one of the prove defenders at this price.

Question marks whether Cripps and Duggan get to premium status. I like Phillips, although, keeping expectations modest given its Hawks and they played NM in AAMI.

Bench is perfect.

Have you consider Clark into defence, Duggan out, downgrade Daniher or Dow and upgrade Duggan to Rowell and it may allow another change to Mills/Cripps/Mitchell/Taranto if you were not sold on one of them.

Given defenders may have a high bar this year, does Duggan get there? Rowell hard to gauge, ave 140 last year playing mids for 3 games, will get attention, 17 CP in preseason game, what happens if he get cheap possessions.
Yeah, I think you and aj74 raise a good point on Duggan, taking him out and shifting Clark back with some other tweaks (and possibly going to Daniel / Ridley from Mills) would enable an additional midfield selection up to around 650k, which might be preferable.
Going to keep tinkering.
Thanks to both! 👍
 
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Thanks mate.
Atkins is my biggest punt. I was shocked at the role he was given last Saturday night and he played it to perfection, running off half back and into the midfield. Finished up with 28 touches, 14 contested. Think I would prefer his consistent 85's to start with, rather than Joey's 40's then 100's.
Have searched through the Foward Discussion thread and no mention of Tom Atkins. The only thing I don't like about Atkin's selection is that awkward starting price of 293k. Would be handy if someone could talk me out of the Atkin's selection.
Yeah i saw a machine, was in my team after seeing him beast it
 
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Hello

I have gone with a somewhat risky setup with the hope that players are due an improvement on the injury front
  • Fantasia
  • Kelly
  • Mitchell
  • Fyfe
Hopeful Clark manages to hold his place in the Geelong "Where not here for a goodtime, just a long time' team.

Grundy screwed me over big time last year, so I am not starting with him, seemed to lose some scoring zip once he signed the 'Mega Deal' for 7 years.

I have gone with an old warhorse in the ruck who I hope can have one more year in the sun before he is put out to pasture

In the forwards I have banked on Caldwell and Phillips to fill some spots and minimise the 'Dunkin Donuts' affect from uninspiring rookies.

Appreciate any thoughts or feedback

Thank you for taking time to read this.
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Hi SCS team,

I have my first team cut below ($15k leftover), would appreciate any feedback.

The double-rookie ruck team seems pretty popular this year - why not climb aboard!

Not sure why Petracca only has 10% ownership this year so far - but I'll take him as a POD.
I would love to fit in Short in the backline - thinking perhaps downgrading Laird down to him to save some cash.

Everyone seems to have T.Powell as a mid rookie, but I'm not sure about his scoring potential at a bottom-of-the-rung North.

I'm also considering swapping Dunkley for another premium forward - but his pre-season game showed no cobwebs.

Thanks all



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Proves you don't have to go 5 deep in defence.

12 premiums , very nicely balanced on every line.

F/R for Brockman would be even more nicely balanced.
Cheers for the reply Herbie

It’s either this side or the other one I’m toying with is without Lloyd/Neale/Danger so I might get FOMO

Would love your thoughts on which side you favour
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