Discussion SC 2021: Rookie Discussion

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It looks like Fyfe from the suns is the best Floating donut/ capt loophole for D8, Def/ mid classification also. Kosi & Highmore certainly look like the only rookie priced defenders that will play round 1 so depending on your structure, if you need another defender rookie he probably serves that purpose the best.
Alternatively, if you do want a rookie defender that will get games I think Jones from Port is the best bet. Could park him on the bench & hope Ken gives him games early on but the issue there is you may have a situation like many did with Gould last season who sat there all year ... I know a few who had this problem (no I wasn’t one luckily). However, with the sub rule/ longer quarters & less rotations, I can see teams making a few changes every week/ trying to manage their list more than ever before.
Butts is only $35K more than Jones. Anything below $200k is rookie priced.
 
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I think I’ll run AFyfe as a dedicated donut if Murray doesn’t play.

Medical sub rule makes the fringe rookies unusable if named an emergency (assuming that’s how it operates..).
I actually think this is the first year in ages I am going to chuck in the donut and go for warm bodies. Captain Gawn will be my staple until the donuts inevitably appear. Agree Fyfe is for sure the best option as the floating donut though
 
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For those running with Cox, Bailey Laurie (also D/F) is an option for early looping and may get games at some stage this season. Depending on fixture, it basically allows you to choose between your FWD emerg score and DEF emerg score. Can end in tears when you’re trying to use the same player for VC/C loophole but it does present some options
 
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The medical sub rule will mean a 23rd player, yeah?
Someone who wouldn't have played anyway. It might mess ocassionally with looping but it shouldn't change cash gen. If a $200k+ player isn't best 22 we probably shouldn't pick them anyway. If they are starting from a low price then we normally expect some shockers anyway.
The old sub rule was the 22nd player and a guaranteed low score but the 23rd player shouldn't affect us that much. Might even help with an early sub giving more opportunities to a player who normally wouldn't play.
 
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The medical sub rule will mean a 23rd player, yeah?
Someone who wouldn't have played anyway. It might mess ocassionally with looping but it shouldn't change cash gen. If a $200k+ player isn't best 22 we probably shouldn't pick them anyway. If they are starting from a low price then we normally expect some shockers anyway.
The old sub rule was the 22nd player and a guaranteed low score but the 23rd player shouldn't affect us that much. Might even help with an early sub giving more opportunities to a player who normally wouldn't play.
I think what they're saying is it would suck if you had a "FD" fringe player who was a medicial sub that came onto the ground for 5 mins for a concussion and you picked up 10 captain points as he was being loopholed for Gawn's 360 VC points.
 
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I am seeing Dow has dropped out of a lot of teams. Understand he only scored 54 in the Saints practice match but still had high CBA numbers.
I do see him as one of the stronger fwd rookies JS wise and still has potential for some high scores with a midfield role.
Am I missing something?
 
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I think what they're saying is it would suck if you had a "FD" fringe player who was a medicial sub that came onto the ground for 5 mins for a concussion and you picked up 10 captain points as he was being loopholed for Gawn's 360 VC points.
The worry would be even greater if they allow the sub to come from any of the emergencies. Clubs would normally name options amongst the 4 emergencies to cover the late withdrawal of any of their 22 i.e. a mid, a defender, a forward and a tall.

It would seem a bit unfair to a club if you lost a ruckman to concussion and had to bring in a bloke 5'8''. Then the opposition lose a mid and are able to bring in a like-for-like replacement.

It would certainly add an extra degree of random luck to SC and would mean donut options would have to be players that are a mile off getting a game.
 
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The worry would be even greater if they allow the sub to come from any of the emergencies. Clubs would normally name options amongst the 4 emergencies to cover the late withdrawal of any of their 22 i.e. a mid, a defender, a forward and a tall.

It would seem a bit unfair to a club if you lost a ruckman to concussion and had to bring in a bloke 5'8''. Then the opposition lose a mid and are able to bring in a like-for-like replacement.

It would certainly add an extra degree of random luck to SC and would mean donut options would have to be players that are a mile off getting a game.
Yeah that's why I suspect most clubs may look at a utility type player if it was a nominated sub. All clubs have a plan in the event if a ruckman or for that matter any player/position has an injury, this would just enable fair rotations for Interchange I guess.

But what if there's multiple concussions, I mean where do we stop really.
 
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I am seeing Dow has dropped out of a lot of teams. Understand he only scored 54 in the Saints practice match but still had high CBA numbers.
I do see him as one of the stronger fwd rookies JS wise and still has potential for some high scores with a midfield role.
Am I missing something?
The problem with Dow is that he's not that good.
 
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Yeah that's why I suspect most clubs may look at a utility type player if it was a nominated sub. All clubs have a plan in the event if a ruckman or for that matter any player/position has an injury, this would just enable fair rotations for Interchange I guess.

But what if there's multiple concussions, I mean where do we stop really.
It's actually a very good point.
 
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I am seeing Dow has dropped out of a lot of teams. Understand he only scored 54 in the Saints practice match but still had high CBA numbers.
I do see him as one of the stronger fwd rookies JS wise and still has potential for some high scores with a midfield role.
Am I missing something?
Dow was ok in his first year and a half under Bolton (averaged 60 in is first year) as he was played as a mid. Teague took over and put the senior guys back in the middle. Dow was pushed to half forward and struggled.

He was picked in round 1 and 2 (effectively another round 1) last year so is obviously rated. A niggling knee injury meant he was never fit and he missed a chunk of games. Came back late in the year and was terrible because the 12-a-side practice matches for the 2's were a joke. Even Carlton supporters have feared we may have a bust on our hands at times. Greg Williams rates him from personal coaching but reckons he needs to play like a man, not a boy.

His strength is his burst away from stoppages which Carlton lack. If you think there will be less stoppages, then that may factor into any thinking. He looked very good against Essendon and ok against St. Kilda with a good role as you say. Even that 54 goes up a bit when you allow for the fact that the sides used extra players. The TOG management (on ground and even with regard to roles) is all over the place in the pre-season games, as evidenced by Cripps standing in the goal square picking his nose for half a game.

As a 4th year player, he should be a better pick than expensive first year rookies like Campbell, Bruyn, Powell etc. if for no other reason than his body will stand up to the rigours of full games week after week better.

Is he a better pick than the Impey, Daniher, Clark types? I honestly don't know. If there are enough 117K and 124K rookies that you are happy with, then the likes of Dow are where you can save some dollars.
 

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Still pretty keen on Cox and Cahill. Job security?
They should both be named and play Rd. 1 and further barring a very bad performance. I could definitely see Cox getting a cheeky rest but I think we'll try to get as many games into him and Perkins.

To be honest, I thought Cahill would score well off HB but he hasn't showed too much in the pre-season games with regards to getting a lot of the ball. Cox also does some good things but probably wont score too highly, he does seem to always end up around the ball though. Job security wise, ticks for both.
 
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