Strategy Round 7: Trades
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As you probably saw in my RDT post tonight I'm strongly considering doing the Gulden to Brayshaw upgrade there so I'm obviously partial to that idea right now. In fact if I somehow had a third trade in SC this week I'd probably be making that move myself too. 
But I've had a gutful of Dusty and Dunks seems like a must trade and both J Macrae and Walsh are driving me crazy not owning them in SC so this is my chance to nip those glaring omissions in the bud.
So I'll have to miss out on young Brayshaw for now.
But I've had a gutful of Dusty and Dunks seems like a must trade and both J Macrae and Walsh are driving me crazy not owning them in SC so this is my chance to nip those glaring omissions in the bud.
So I'll have to miss out on young Brayshaw for now.
Dunkley to either
Grundy - means Flynn is moved to the bench, and I have to play Treacy/Waterman/Jones which i really want to avoid. It also means that I’ll no longer be the 13% in the top 1000 that don’t have Grundy 🙄
Walsh/Boak - score wise those 2 are almost identical, but leaning towards Walsh simply due to the fact that he never gets tired and is the #1/#2 option at Carlton - just unsure if he can sustain 120+ scores on a losing side every game. Boak looking solid but worried Houston/Wines & mids will steal his points, but he does play for the better team, which should mean more points overall. Also means I’ll have to try cope with watching Grundy score 150 just by breathing on the ball 🙄
Grundy - means Flynn is moved to the bench, and I have to play Treacy/Waterman/Jones which i really want to avoid. It also means that I’ll no longer be the 13% in the top 1000 that don’t have Grundy 🙄
Walsh/Boak - score wise those 2 are almost identical, but leaning towards Walsh simply due to the fact that he never gets tired and is the #1/#2 option at Carlton - just unsure if he can sustain 120+ scores on a losing side every game. Boak looking solid but worried Houston/Wines & mids will steal his points, but he does play for the better team, which should mean more points overall. Also means I’ll have to try cope with watching Grundy score 150 just by breathing on the ball 🙄
The thing I'd say is in Boak's favour is that he's copped tags and deals with them pretty well.
Walsh is certainly putting his hand up for some attention, especially given how badly Cripps is playing to the point that opposition probably want him to have the ball right now and how well Walsh is playing. FWIW I think Walsh should handle tags well given his running patterns are absurd and most would struggle to handle them on top of him winning his own ball and almost being better in the contest from a ball usage, could even help him as he gets a better level of contested touches. Also have to note that all of Murphy, Cripps and Curnow are very experienced teammates at countering tags and would provide good help levels I imagine.
Walsh is certainly putting his hand up for some attention, especially given how badly Cripps is playing to the point that opposition probably want him to have the ball right now and how well Walsh is playing. FWIW I think Walsh should handle tags well given his running patterns are absurd and most would struggle to handle them on top of him winning his own ball and almost being better in the contest from a ball usage, could even help him as he gets a better level of contested touches. Also have to note that all of Murphy, Cripps and Curnow are very experienced teammates at countering tags and would provide good help levels I imagine.
Rookie Thoughts - Round 7
Any player <210k because at this point we're desperate...
In points scored order...
Backs
Kosi (201k) - This feels like his best possible game. I think you either have him or just keep walking.
Menadue (201k) - Scored quite well in both games but not worth the premium for mine.
Prior (150k) - If you didn't grab him last week when half the backs were dead, I doubt he did anything to change your opinion.
Highmore (117k) - His teammates doing everything to get him back in by being terrible... Obviously the JS is terrible but the scoring and price are so tempting if he's back.
Mansell (134k) - I think he's lucky if he hangs onto his spot, if he does the role remains alright and the price is still doable.
Jones (140k) - I doubt he's back but if he was he's the pick.
Frederick (124k) - He was excellent but you just can't go early on a Port guy right now, probably going to force Jones to win the spot back if he plays like that again and again. Wait until next week.
Murphy (124k) - Was also really impressive to me given how bad the Pies were. Role solid. Still, give him a week for sure, needs to cement as can't afford rookies not playing now.
Stocker (187k) - Going to need to play a lot better next week (fantasy wise) to be worth that premium. I thought he played well though.
Joyce (177k) - Not worth the premium on that, wait a week at best.
Mids
Scott/McNeil/Perkins/Phillips/Bruhn/Lazzaro/Zuthrie/Brockman - If you don't already have them, none have shown enough to justify paying the premium on them over the other guys who haven't shown enough... Phillips and Perkins the pick of the group, Phillips in particular as I expect he moves to the midfield eventually... but don't.
Macrae (126k) - Didn't do enough on the weekend but he's the clear pick of the crop. I've listed him in the mids as I think he's actually needed more there because there is just nothing here.
Rantall (124k) - He did a couple of nice things. That's also all he did. Gave no reason to indicate he's a go early rookie, especially with JDG likely back next week. If he can hang around and build on it, he's got some potential.
Ruck
Campbell (164k) - Actually played alright for North and is holding his spot right now. Could conceivably score a decent score one week, similar to Cameron this week for example, but hard to see anyone really having this need.
Thilthorpe (203k) - He was excellent but when the Hawks put TOB on him he went missing and was well beaten. I don't think teams will disrespect him to the level that the Hawks did of putting Scrimshaw and Jiath on him, similar to how McDonald scored great until Brisbane put Andrews on him in his first game and reckon that the last 1.5 quarters is a more realistic indicator. He was great though and showed some nice tricks, almost on the wing at times as well. It's hard to see him being worth the premium unless he backs up the debut as that one score is basically in and out and his price is so high it will barely move the needle if he's a 40 the next two. Will be watching very closely though.
Treacy (108k) - Still available for those seeking flexibility and disaster event scoring! Freo won so good chance he holds his spot.
Forwards
Scott/Jones/Frampton/Perkins/T. Berry/Brockman/Waterman/Jones/Fullarton/Langdon/Stone/Ruscoe - That some of these guys started outside the rookie price and are now in it should sum them up. The rest you know about, that first jump was about all the cash they make right now. You either have them and don't want them or you should avoid them
Flanders (192k) - He was actually really good for the Suns, note that his first score is a sub game so the 62 a better reflection. That said, I can't justify the premium on him over the next couple of guys but I say that knowing he has every chance of being the best of the trio but I like the roles of the other two more, he had a great midfield forward role in the first half but almost exclusively forward the 2nd half.
Bosenvulagi (176k) - Would love to see him get named alongside Hall this week as that's by far my biggest concern on him. Playing as a rebounding half back and showing some really good signs with a solid 67 average. The ball is going to be down there a lot, he's a mature aged guy compared to some of the kids and he looks to take the game on. Basically I think he can sustain it. Would make 150k at a 70 average which I think he's capable of but in that team and in that role there's no reason he can't spike a 100+ score. I think he's my favourite rookie option this week despite the premium...
Farrar (184k) - And if Atu isn't my favourite it's because of this guy. Played a hard lockdown role on Heeney in this game and still scored 59, such is his want to run and carry. Popped an 83 last week without such a good matchup for him. I don't think he'd get De Goey, very different matchup, and the rest of the Pies forwards are more of an opportunity than challenge. Think his average is a very fair reflection and it wouldn't shock me if he pushes high 70s even into mid 80s, Suns get a lot of ball down back, like to switch and retain it there and he's probably the best run and carry option.
Bergman (193k) - You should have him by now, he's a decent ratio (and he's playing well) from going bang. I think you're probably better off with the above two guys at lower prices but Bergman looks a solid 70s target right now as well. Given most people would be ditching Dunkley, and thus needing to field this rookie pick, I think that's an important element and that the premium on these three may actually be worth it still.
Ranking
1a - Atu Bosenvulagi
1b - Jy Farrar
2a - Miles Bergman - On-Field
2b - Finlay Macrae - Bench
3. Lachie Jones - Unlikely to be named.
4. Thomas Highmore - If named.
5. Josh Treacy - Purely utility
6. Tom Campbell - Combination of utility and cash generation potential
Any player <210k because at this point we're desperate...
In points scored order...
Backs
Kosi (201k) - This feels like his best possible game. I think you either have him or just keep walking.
Menadue (201k) - Scored quite well in both games but not worth the premium for mine.
Prior (150k) - If you didn't grab him last week when half the backs were dead, I doubt he did anything to change your opinion.
Highmore (117k) - His teammates doing everything to get him back in by being terrible... Obviously the JS is terrible but the scoring and price are so tempting if he's back.
Mansell (134k) - I think he's lucky if he hangs onto his spot, if he does the role remains alright and the price is still doable.
Jones (140k) - I doubt he's back but if he was he's the pick.
Frederick (124k) - He was excellent but you just can't go early on a Port guy right now, probably going to force Jones to win the spot back if he plays like that again and again. Wait until next week.
Murphy (124k) - Was also really impressive to me given how bad the Pies were. Role solid. Still, give him a week for sure, needs to cement as can't afford rookies not playing now.
Stocker (187k) - Going to need to play a lot better next week (fantasy wise) to be worth that premium. I thought he played well though.
Joyce (177k) - Not worth the premium on that, wait a week at best.
Mids
Scott/McNeil/Perkins/Phillips/Bruhn/Lazzaro/Zuthrie/Brockman - If you don't already have them, none have shown enough to justify paying the premium on them over the other guys who haven't shown enough... Phillips and Perkins the pick of the group, Phillips in particular as I expect he moves to the midfield eventually... but don't.
Macrae (126k) - Didn't do enough on the weekend but he's the clear pick of the crop. I've listed him in the mids as I think he's actually needed more there because there is just nothing here.
Rantall (124k) - He did a couple of nice things. That's also all he did. Gave no reason to indicate he's a go early rookie, especially with JDG likely back next week. If he can hang around and build on it, he's got some potential.
Ruck
Campbell (164k) - Actually played alright for North and is holding his spot right now. Could conceivably score a decent score one week, similar to Cameron this week for example, but hard to see anyone really having this need.
Thilthorpe (203k) - He was excellent but when the Hawks put TOB on him he went missing and was well beaten. I don't think teams will disrespect him to the level that the Hawks did of putting Scrimshaw and Jiath on him, similar to how McDonald scored great until Brisbane put Andrews on him in his first game and reckon that the last 1.5 quarters is a more realistic indicator. He was great though and showed some nice tricks, almost on the wing at times as well. It's hard to see him being worth the premium unless he backs up the debut as that one score is basically in and out and his price is so high it will barely move the needle if he's a 40 the next two. Will be watching very closely though.
Treacy (108k) - Still available for those seeking flexibility and disaster event scoring! Freo won so good chance he holds his spot.
Forwards
Scott/Jones/Frampton/Perkins/T. Berry/Brockman/Waterman/Jones/Fullarton/Langdon/Stone/Ruscoe - That some of these guys started outside the rookie price and are now in it should sum them up. The rest you know about, that first jump was about all the cash they make right now. You either have them and don't want them or you should avoid them
Flanders (192k) - He was actually really good for the Suns, note that his first score is a sub game so the 62 a better reflection. That said, I can't justify the premium on him over the next couple of guys but I say that knowing he has every chance of being the best of the trio but I like the roles of the other two more, he had a great midfield forward role in the first half but almost exclusively forward the 2nd half.
Bosenvulagi (176k) - Would love to see him get named alongside Hall this week as that's by far my biggest concern on him. Playing as a rebounding half back and showing some really good signs with a solid 67 average. The ball is going to be down there a lot, he's a mature aged guy compared to some of the kids and he looks to take the game on. Basically I think he can sustain it. Would make 150k at a 70 average which I think he's capable of but in that team and in that role there's no reason he can't spike a 100+ score. I think he's my favourite rookie option this week despite the premium...
Farrar (184k) - And if Atu isn't my favourite it's because of this guy. Played a hard lockdown role on Heeney in this game and still scored 59, such is his want to run and carry. Popped an 83 last week without such a good matchup for him. I don't think he'd get De Goey, very different matchup, and the rest of the Pies forwards are more of an opportunity than challenge. Think his average is a very fair reflection and it wouldn't shock me if he pushes high 70s even into mid 80s, Suns get a lot of ball down back, like to switch and retain it there and he's probably the best run and carry option.
Bergman (193k) - You should have him by now, he's a decent ratio (and he's playing well) from going bang. I think you're probably better off with the above two guys at lower prices but Bergman looks a solid 70s target right now as well. Given most people would be ditching Dunkley, and thus needing to field this rookie pick, I think that's an important element and that the premium on these three may actually be worth it still.
Ranking
1a - Atu Bosenvulagi
1b - Jy Farrar
2a - Miles Bergman - On-Field
2b - Finlay Macrae - Bench
3. Lachie Jones - Unlikely to be named.
4. Thomas Highmore - If named.
5. Josh Treacy - Purely utility
6. Tom Campbell - Combination of utility and cash generation potential
Absolutely outstanding 👍
I don't think I'll end up with the top tier rucks this year, so I'll probably bring in RO'B who's averaged 120 over the last 4 games, for Dunkley and downgrade Gulden > Farrar. Gives me enough cash to get Marshall in next week (after a bit of a price drop) for Flynn with 1 trade. I think Marshall will be a top 6 forward and if Sean Darcy can stay on the park then I'll swing Marshall Fwd, just have to look at the byes to see when that's best.
I'm really burning through the trades and after those moves I'll have 15 premo keepers (not sure if I should include Jelly in that) but only 18 trades left.
I'm really burning through the trades and after those moves I'll have 15 premo keepers (not sure if I should include Jelly in that) but only 18 trades left.
I wont bring him in this week because I need both his price to drop a bit and Flynns to rise a bit. But I'll be bringing him in next week, Ryder will impact his scoring but I see him as a top 6 forward from here in so will eventually upgrade a Fwd to Ruc and move Marshall Fwd.
*Disclaimer....I'm no good at this game so take any advice with a grain of salt
*Disclaimer....I'm no good at this game so take any advice with a grain of salt
Dunkley to Brayshaw, Gulden to Lloyd, I think. Lloyd price still a tad high and could go down again but would prefer to get rid of a rookie off field already for a defender, already have five premo backs and Lloyd is the one who is missing. Gulden looks cooked, wouldn't be surprised if he is rested next round.
Brayshaw presents a ton of value, higher risk but potentially great reward for his price. Freo play not too many teams that tag until their bye, although he has Nelson potentially to deal with next round.
Farrar is also on the bubble but his price isn't that great.
Brayshaw presents a ton of value, higher risk but potentially great reward for his price. Freo play not too many teams that tag until their bye, although he has Nelson potentially to deal with next round.
Farrar is also on the bubble but his price isn't that great.
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Really want to get Grundy... but trading Dunkley to him means my forward line is:
Walker, Ziebell, Atkins, Impey and then Rowe McCreery Traecy and Waterman.
Don't think i can stomach having to rely on those rookies.
Also don't know if i should keep Martin - teams being going very hard at him lately. He can be tagged out of games.
Also have that Cripps problem too.
Backline is completed though unless one day i have to upgrade Short. But for now... its done. Stewart Laird Ryan Ridley Lloyd Short have been doing pretty well for me.
Walker, Ziebell, Atkins, Impey and then Rowe McCreery Traecy and Waterman.
Don't think i can stomach having to rely on those rookies.
Also don't know if i should keep Martin - teams being going very hard at him lately. He can be tagged out of games.
Also have that Cripps problem too.
Backline is completed though unless one day i have to upgrade Short. But for now... its done. Stewart Laird Ryan Ridley Lloyd Short have been doing pretty well for me.