Strategy Round 8: Trades

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Really considering trading in Parks, not a very good scoring rookie, but from the 3 games he has played, I cannot see him getting dropped, his defensive efforts are 2nd to none. Feel the playing rookie over byes may be crucial.

Looking at Campbell and Chapman to Frederick and Parks, which would leave 473k in the bank.

Am also looking at Campbell and Rowe for Guthrie/Brayshaw and Frederick
 
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The problem being that most had to start 5+ premiums down back as a result and now have no room for all these downgrade targets :LOL:





There are several things to go for here...

1. Avoid sideways at all costs - You've covered this in your hold for 3 weeks thing, basically every sideways trade in the next month is going to compound and unravel your upgrades/downgrades, it's essentially a missed target, stick 3 or 4 of them in and you're dead in the water.

2. Maximise the on-field replacement on each upgrade - This generally means replacing the worst on field scorer but not always, for example a Gawn over rookie scoring 75 is a better upgrade than a 45 to a 90 forward upgrade but generally it's going to be getting the weakest rookie off the field.

3. Byes - The hidden points here can be significant, plan around them and factor it in, any rookie you bring in now is most likely there for the byes so you need to consider how they align with premiums and you also want to get the ones most likely to play in the byes, every score helps!

4. DPP links - You need to start setting them up for the rest of the season and should think about them before locking players in less than ideal spots. It's not a tiebreaker level consideration but it should certainly be considered and planned as best as possible without sacrificing targets. It's most valuable in the byes onward because it saves trades.

5. Job security on rookies, especially in a couple of weeks - The guys in the next couple of weeks will hopefully make cash and be out by the byes but from round 9 onward, the reality is most of those rookies are season long picks and thus you should target the ones who will play the rest of the season, a guy making a quick 100k you're not using has less value than a guy pumping out a 40 to avoid a donut later on when one of the premiums in every team misses.

6. Have a plan - Which positions do you need? Who are the bargains at those positions? How can you get them? Is the bargain the right call? Is the value the obvious name or the less obvious name? Is May this week at 410k better value than Ridley at 510k next week, especially if it is your D6 upgrade? The other factor, is there a super premium you're missing at that position that you need to get, they're going to take more work to get.

7. Durability is your god - See point one but every guy you don't have to trade later is more trades, can you get those luxury trades in play later that let you have a boom or bust loophole target that actually provides more points than a minor upgrade to your last spots on field?

8. Maximise depth - This kind of plays into point 2 but if you can push the guys on-field to the bench for a few weeks of cover that's great, the stronger your bench, the more you can handle a player out for a week or two, which means you can stay on the plan and not get de-railed.
On point 1, what happens if there's a Patrick Cripps shaped hole in your team?

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Seeing a lot of posts about grabbing May, I've got one spot left in my backline with the likes of Lloyd, Whitfield, Mills and Short still available to me - what's the attraction of May? He's never been in any conversation that I can remember so just curious what I'm missing.
This year more so than ever it is about grabbing value too.

I have 2 backline spots to fill (currently have Lloyd, Ridley, Laird and Stewart) and the value here is Daniels v May. I liked what I saw against Richmond and North. Whilst I don’t subscribe to the “if you take out xx game”, the reality is that you can’t account for injuries, but in the 5 games without injury he is averaging 102.

Mills is averaging 109.
15 games at 7 PPMG is 105 total pts theoretical differential for $125 k saving, and I can’t get Mills now without compromising myself somewhere

Reckon you can throw a blanket over a handful of defenders this year and whilst I’ll be doing that for my last D spot, Whitfield is in my sights if he can improve his scoring and drop some value

FWD line is diff, but Dusty is 2 games away
 
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Really considering trading in Parks, not a very good scoring rookie, but from the 3 games he has played, I cannot see him getting dropped, his defensive efforts are 2nd to none. Feel the playing rookie over byes may be crucial.

Looking at Campbell and Chapman to Frederick and Parks, which would leave 473k in the bank.

Am also looking at Campbell and Rowe for Guthrie/Brayshaw and Frederick
Parks was in Carlton's top 3 or 4 on the ground in the first half, no way he gets dropped now or in the foreseeable future, I can't see who comes in for him either.
 
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Gulden > Frederick, Warner > Josh Kelly.

Still have duds like Cripps and Phillips stinking up my team. Maybe Phillips goes instead of Warner, but at this point I think I'm just gonna ride that spud into the ground and hope at some point he returns to his previous form.
 
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Oliver vs Jelly?

Was super convinced by Jelly's game last week, but doubts are still lingering regarding his role and durability.
 

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Oliver vs Jelly?

Was super convinced by Jelly's game last week, but doubts are still lingering regarding his role and durability.
Oliver is 591k and Kelly is 508k so that needs to be factored into your question.

I would still pick Oliver easily even at 83k more than Kelly.
Same as Ben, Oliver for mine comfortably.
 
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One thing to consider with both.
May's role could change to smaller types if Tom McDonald ends up back now with Tomlinson out. Weideman could replace McDonald in the forwards with Jackson + Brown there in future rounds.

Caleb Daniel could still be used less when Williams comes back in the next round or 2.
Appreciate the thoughts. I might just buy Oliver...

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May looks to potentially be a version of Tex but in defence. Missed Tex won't miss May. He won't make as much as Tex but at D6 the extra 100+ grand is desperately needed elsewhere in my cursed team. Now or never for him, but would have preferred Tomlinson and potentially Fritsch weren't missing.
 
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Parks was in Carlton's top 3 or 4 on the ground in the first half, no way he gets dropped now or in the foreseeable future, I can't see who comes in for him either.
Newman is the only one, played his first game back in the VFL last weekend, I expect him to have one more in the VFL then comes back against Melbourne next week. Am hoping Parks remains in even with the inclusion of Newman, hoping our defense lines up as followed

Plowman Jones Parks
Saad Weitering Newman

Hoping Carlton moves Docherty to a wing, or maybe play him as the spare. Stocker and SPS both need to be moved into the guts.
 
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Newman is the only one, played his first game back in the VFL last weekend, I expect him to have one more in the VFL then comes back against Melbourne next week. Am hoping Parks remains in even with the inclusion of Newman, hoping our defense lines up as followed

Plowman Jones Parks
Saad Weitering Newman

Hoping Carlton moves Docherty to a wing, or maybe play him as the spare. Stocker and SPS both need to be moved into the guts.
Or even
Docherty Jones Parks
Saad Weitering Newman
 
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Or even
Docherty Jones Parks
Saad Weitering Newman
Potentially, I'm a big believer in Plowman and think he doesn't get credit where it's due, Yes he makes mistakes, but he does his job. This is shown with him finishing high in the BnF each of the last couple of years, he does as the coaches want. I just hope Teague starts playing people in position, starting with the Kids drafted as a pure midfielder who he chucks at HB and trapped in a pocket
 
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May looks to potentially be a version of Tex but in defence. Missed Tex won't miss May. He won't make as much as Tex but at D6 the extra 100+ grand is desperately needed elsewhere in my cursed team. Now or never for him, but would have preferred Tomlinson and potentially Fritsch weren't missing.
Maybe, but the big difference between a Key defender and a Key forward is the oppurtunity to get intercept posessionsv and posessions in general. KFW generally rely on high goal counts to score points which against good defenders can be dificult, generally they need to kick a bag to score well.

Key Defenders on the other-hand seem to get more/better oppurtunities for scoring though intercept possessions and rebound 50 exits. I guess Ridley/May/Lever are examples of geneally speaking it is easier for a Key defender to score high points than a Key forward IMO.
 
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Oliver is 591k and Kelly is 508k so that needs to be factored into your question.

I would still pick Oliver easily even at 83k more than Kelly.
The 83k makes no tangible difference for the immediate future ( ~ 3 weeks).

FWIW I plan on having Oliver regardless at some point, so the question is more Kelly vs Oliver in terms of current value.

Does that change your view?
 
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May averaged 100.6 from Rd 5 onwards last year and that included only two sub-par scores of 36 and 58. Not as much of a yoyo as I first thought. Not sure if the North game was injury affected (I'm having trouble accessing the FF archive at the moment). The 58 was definitely just a quiet game.

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No reason to suggest he can't repeat the performance. Melbourne are a better side this year and in my view a 100 average is an acceptable return from a $400k spend. As others have said, value picks are more important this year due to lower rookie cash generation.

If he was a forward, we'd be picking him in a heartbeat!
 
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The 83k makes no tangible difference for the immediate future ( ~ 3 weeks).

FWIW I plan on having Oliver regardless at some point, so the question is more Kelly vs Oliver in terms of current value.

Does that change your view?
That depends on what you see Kelly's role as, is his role going forward, like it was in round 7 or is his future role like the previous weeks?

I think at least you/we know what role Oliver is going to have.
 
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May averaged 100.6 from Rd 5 onwards last year and that included only two sub-par scores of 36 and 58. Not as much of a yoyo as I first thought. Not sure if the North game was injury affected (I'm having trouble accessing the FF archive at the moment). The 58 was definitely just a quiet game.

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No reason to suggest he can't repeat the performance. Melbourne are a better side this year and in my view a 100 average is an acceptable return from a $400k spend. As others have said, value picks are more important this year due to lower rookie cash generation.

If he was a forward, we'd be picking him in a heartbeat!
Found a match summary on the dees website :-

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/matches/2842#match-report

May had 93% ToG so not injured - had 10 kicks & 261 metres gained.

Melbourne had 58 inside 50's to 30, absolutely dominated the 2nd half.
 
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