Strategy Round 9: Trades

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Great observations, but simply from me, the ruck line can be brutal and has a potential to kill a season very quickly. Those that could see it early enough and took appropriate action can salvage a season.
I had a very similar season a few years back and pretty much swore I'd never waiver from a Gawn/Grundy ruck line as options to fix an issue are often limited.
I went the 3 rookie ruck, and fixed it by getting Gawn for Daniel and Phillips and Grundy in for Dunks.
 
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Deciding whether to double downgrade or not - would prefer to go one up/down but are there any potential downgrade options next week?
 
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@Herbie66

Don't stress with SuperCoach, just play for fun.

I've been doing sh1t in SuperCoach for many years now and didn't log onto my own website for a few years (well I did but not often).

The reason was I was too embarrassed with my Overall Ranking (but reality is I've been focusing on my son's soccer driving 5-6 days a week to soccer is tiring).

Now this year, I'm doing just as bad but actually enjoying my SuperCoach and been on more often.

My advice @Herbie66 is just have fun with SCS and SuperCoach and with Covid-19 just be happy we have AFL, SuperCoach and SCS rather being locked down.

If you want to take a break from SuperCoach and if you don't mind, can you PM your SuperCoach team and change password to a non-sensitive one and I'll manage it for you (due to SCS League reasons).

Chin up mate, just a game.

BTW I'm ranked 20,000 but I'm enjoying SuperCoach this year as I have no expectations, just a bit of fun.
Wise words, taking a similar approach this season and not playing in any serious leagues because I wanted to enjoy watching footy this season.I also need players in my team I enjoy watching or it just makes me bitter hence why I wouldn't go near a Danniher type.

But @Herbie66 from me, you're a valuable and active part of the SCS team here and it's refreshing to see people having a crack outside of the vanilla SC world we seem to all be stuck in now days.
 
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Wise words, taking a similar approach this season and not playing in any serious leagues because I wanted to enjoy watching footy this season.I also need players in my team I enjoy watching or it just makes me bitter hence why I wouldn't go near a Danniher type.

But @Herbie66 from me, your a valuable and active part of the SCS team here and it's refreshing to see people having a crack outside of the vanilla SC world we seem to all be stuck in now days.
Definitely agree mate.

My gloat for the week is coming from 18th at start of the year in the Premier League to now 11th ( 3 wins in a row) as I was hot favourite to be wooden spoon. How very dare @Lost In The Sky giving me odds of $31.25?? LOL

Okay @Herbie66 seriously don't stress about SuperCoach, just have fun.

Remember I'm ranked 20,000 so I'm not doing that great too.

$31.25 - Impromptu
Once again the champ is criminally underrated by the bookies. These odds are surely too low for a coach of this quality? Coach Jay is a tactical mastermind and plays the game his own way, which often sees wide variations in his results. But don’t sleep on @Impromptu, His out-of-the-box approach is just as likely to bite you in a Head-2-Head match-up. You just know he has something up his sleeve that no one has seen before, and you could do worse than throw a few dollars on at this price. Good things and a return to form are on the cards for 2021.
Form: 19,723 (2020), 36,693 (2019), 47,923 (2018), 21,707 (2017), 14,753 (2016)
This is only a tongue and cheek post but wooooohooo Impromptu moves to 11th and only outside the 8 due to percentage.

Come On Impromptu!!

$31.25 odds looks good now (even though goal is just to make finals; LOLz)
 
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Great observations, but simply from me, the ruck line can be brutal and has a potential to kill a season very quickly. Those that could see it early enough and took appropriate action can salvage a season.
I had a very similar season a few years back and pretty much swore I'd never waiver from a Gawn/Grundy ruck line as options to fix an issue are often limited.
I agree, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hindsight says that Grundy/Gawn plus Flynn and Meek was probably the way to go, but even then at the first sign of trouble (Flynn being rested for Rd 4), one had to change recognise the problem and adjust strategy pretty quickly from there.

3 rookie rucks won out for the first 2-3 weeks, but since Flynn went out in Rd 4 for Mumford and Hunter and Meek did not last much longer, it sort of went down hill pretty quickly.
 
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Definitely agree mate.

My gloat for the week is coming from 18th at start of the year in the Premier League to now 11th ( 3 wins in a row) as I was hot favourite to be wooden spoon. How very dare @Lost In The Sky giving me odds of $31.25?? LOL

Okay @Herbie66 seriously don't stress about SuperCoach, just have fun.

Remember I'm ranked 20,000 so I'm not doing that great too.
Hahahaha, yeah on reflection... $31.25 is looking a bit off the mark and maybe a bit disrespectful too, lol

I reckon if I was re-doing the odds now... My team would be around that mark if not further out.

8 Forced Long Term Injury trades already has my team a mess... I'm in big strife, lol
 
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Definitely agree mate.

My gloat for the week is coming from 18th at start of the year in the Premier League to now 11th ( 3 wins in a row) as I was hot favourite to be wooden spoon. How very dare @Lost In The Sky giving me odds of $31.25?? LOL

Okay @Herbie66 seriously don't stress about SuperCoach, just have fun.

Remember I'm ranked 20,000 so I'm not doing that great too.
He's a cheaky bugger that @Lost In The Sky, how dare he ;), you'll show him :cool:
 

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I started GG Rucks and I haven't been higher than 17.5K in the ranking so maybe I'm not the best to be dissecting @Herbie66 team...sorry!:unsure:

The fact that I went through the effort means that I genuinely care and wants you (and others) to get the best out of themselves, regardless of ranking position.
 
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I also need players in my team I enjoy watching or it just makes me bitter hence why I wouldn't go near a Danniher type.
Hahah, you an I clearly enjoy football differently. I hate watching the typical SC seagulls (_the seagull_ the most), and have long avoided them, even though I know it's to my SC detriment. (Although took Lloyd this year, as he's been so hyped here that I wanted to see if owning him changed my view. It didn't, but then again he hasn't been pumping out 130s either, so I assume I broke him)

On the other hand I consider Daniher one of the most watchable footballers in the game. He'll do your head him if you care about his numbers, or about him kicking the goal from 30 out straight in front to get your team home (I know that pain very well), but on the other hand he plays football in a way that brings joy.

Sure he has let himself down in that he could have been an all time great, given his skillset, but I suspect landing at Essendon at the exact time he did would mess with anyone's head, so I'll cut him some slack and just enjoy watching him standing on guys heads and selling the big dummy and bombing it from 65.
 
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I haven't been paying/devoting much time to SC this season, however, I did note that you were ranked 60th after R1 and I'm somewhat intrigued that you haven't made the most of that good start. So what has happened since for your team to be ranked 41K+ at the conclusion of R8...?

Sometimes, it's prudent to reflect on what has transpired in order to go forward with a sense of renew purpose otherwise we'll just remain in that cycle which will consume our team before we know it.

Below is an excerpt from your R1 Review...

A couple of key observations upon reflection
  • You put the cart ahead of the horse by virtue of proclaiming yourself in the Heroes
  • Despite your stubbornness, you were fully aware of the potential problems of an all Rookie rucks AND had a plan in place at the time
Let's have a look at what actually unfolded since R1...

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  • You had a relatively good 4-5-0-5 'Keepers' starting structure and only missing a couple of key Rookie which you corrected in R3.
  • Instead of using Danger to 'fix' your Rookie ruck, you went with your preseason instinct of Heeney instead which ultimately cost another trade.
  • Sliding door between Jelly or Cripps to trade out in R4, you went Jelly.
  • Hickey in & straight out, another trade on the Ruck line.
  • Dunkley in R7 presented another opportunity to 'fix' your Ruck, you went Mumford & ROB instead.
  • Your Fantasia to Stringer trade last round pretty much sum up your trading philosophy (or lack of foresight) thus far and is the main contributing factor IMHO to your massive slide since R1.
  • Going early on Kos & Scott along with trading out Rookie of little to no value (Meek, Hunter & Sharp) has further compounded your lack of cash generation potential.
It has already cost you 4 trades to go from a Flynn/Meek/Hunter to Mumford/ROB/Flynn setup. Imagined if you had followed through with your thoughts on the Rookie Ruck situation post R1 once it was evident that it wasn't going to hold up, Danger to Grundy would've got you half way to addressing the problem.

The other thing which is apparent when looking at your Outs & Ins is the imbalance towards sideway trades over new cash generating Rookie which you're starting to see the effect now.

I think there's a lot of lessons to be learnt from what I've just written and we've all cross that roads at least once in our SC experience. You now have 17 trades to get the most out of your R8 team, that should be your focus going forward...and have a bit of FUN while you're at it.

I trust that you will take my post in the right context as i) I'm here to assist and ii) I was genuinely interested to find out what has happened since R1. Hopefully this will also serve as a reminder to the many coaches which frequent our site.
Cheers Thanh

Appreciate the post.

Stubbornness is by biggest life fault (can be a strength).

Once I decided to start the all rookie ruck line I was all in (rightly or wrongly) and knew it had to be 6 rounds to see how it went (yes I got that wrong)

Certainly didn't expect Mumford to play as much as he had and be the # 1 ruck. (error judgement).

Was hoping Meek & Darcy could play together , uncertainty when Darcy was returning (another judgement error)

Opportunity was certainly their for Hunter given the situation with Ryder & Marshall , did not see the scenario where he would get dropped (another judgement error)

So yes I probably should have corrected before I did.

Still think Premium , Hickey / Flynn was the ideal starting line in the Rucks.

Once Dangerfield was injured I saw the opportunity to bring Heeney in , my views on him SC wise are well documented , certainly wasn't expecting him to get injured (so soon) and then trade him out.

Poor judgement , wasted injury trade.

Round 3 trading Scott out (think I admitted my mistake at the time and should have traded Hunter) again was poor , think Scott has nearly made $ 150k

Brought Jordon & Warner in , probably should have started them , probably went too heavy up forward.

Round 4

Cripps or Kelly

Kelly had 98 , 90 & 100 was lured into the thought of 115+.

Durability issues in the past , ok I need Impey & Ridley (crystal ball didn't tell me Ridley would be concussed and available for $ 500k)

Koschitze didn't look AFL standard , another poor judgement call (made $ 150k profit)

Round 5

To me Hickey looked to be the # 3 Ruck and offered massive value , injured that game and diagnosis was 6-8 weeks , so out he goes Round 6 (frustrating building at wasting trades)

Went early on L.Jones (injured)

Round 6

Hickey & Campbell - > Mansell & McCreery I think was mainly for bubble boys.

Eating donuts in the ruck.

Round 7

Dunkley

Decided ROB instead of Grundy as I actually thought ROB was a massive chance to get close to Grundy this season (another judgement error) , 3 x 100 games before I trade him in and 2 pathetic games since (also looked at McEvoy)

at this stage having massive concerns about generating enough cash to fund upgrades.

Was sick of ruck donuts so was keen on the Mumford/Flynn piggyback idea.

Round 8

Not alone in going May , was looking at Brayshaw then found Stringer's numbers , 3-4 scores over 80+ @ $ 325k in a season of Atkins , Hall , Hind , Impey , Walker , Ziebell etc surely he works as well.

Nope take a chance and he goes and get injured.

(Stringer was meant to be my fun trade)

Fantasia was a terrible starting pick (oh for Cumming or Jiath instead)

So yes from 60 in Round 1 , I am definitely skydiving without any chutes.

Stubbornness plays it part , 2-3 different choices of players who knows , bench not playing (like many) leads to poor cash generation.

Yes I would love to be bringing in $ 500k players when I upgrade , realistically that is not going to happen.

Accept my situation and hit "Delete Team" , trust me I am very close.

That's not in my make up though so will battle on and see what I can salvage.

17 Trades & $ 242,800.00 in the Bank

Mansell
Powell ✓ , Jordon ✓
Warner ✓ , Rowe

all are onfield at the moment and need to be fixed before even looking at "luxury" options of fixing May , Daniel , Cripps , O'Brien & Stringer.

Even looking at $ 500k players for upgrades I need to find $ 1,053,700.00

So what to do ?

Could very well be the last round for cheapies for awhile so :-

Berry - > Byrnes or Collier-Dawkins
McNeil/Rowe (both still with $$$ to make) or Warner - > Poulter

next round

Flynn - > Treacy

then just sit and milk every $$$ from rookies and then try and upgrade

Honestly I don't know , so if you have any short term suggestions that would be greatly appreciated.

Hope my reply makes some sense.

Too early for the BBL so I need to soldier on

Thanks again

Cheers

PS I think being 60th after Round 1 , the SC God's just set me up 😉

Nope my team , my ownership on decisions that have been massively wrong
 
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@Herbie66

Don't stress with SuperCoach, just play for fun.

I've been doing sh1t in SuperCoach for many years now and didn't log onto my own website for a few years (well I did but not often).

The reason was I was too embarrassed with my Overall Ranking (but reality is I've been focusing on my son's soccer driving 5-6 days a week to soccer is tiring).

Now this year, I'm doing just as bad but actually enjoying my SuperCoach and been on more often.

My advice @Herbie66 is just have fun with SCS and SuperCoach and with Covid-19 just be happy we have AFL, SuperCoach and SCS rather being locked down.

If you want to take a break from SuperCoach and if you don't mind, can you PM your SuperCoach team and change password to a non-sensitive one and I'll manage it for you (due to SCS League reasons).

Chin up mate, just a game.

BTW I'm ranked 20,000 but I'm enjoying SuperCoach this year as I have no expectations, just a bit of fun.
A message from the boss 😀 I certainly will take notice.

Seriously though Jay , thanks for the post and reminder.

Certainly not a lot of fun and enjoyment at the moment , but yes it is just a game and given everything else going on in the world we are lucky indeed.

Thanks for the offer but I just need to soldier on and see what I can resurrect.

Cheers

Everton won overnight so qualification for Europe is still possible 😀
 
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Wise words, taking a similar approach this season and not playing in any serious leagues because I wanted to enjoy watching footy this season.I also need players in my team I enjoy watching or it just makes me bitter hence why I wouldn't go near a Danniher type.

But @Herbie66 from me, you're a valuable and active part of the SCS team here and it's refreshing to see people having a crack outside of the vanilla SC world we seem to all be stuck in now days.
Cheers

Next year I am just going to start Gawn & Grundy & 28 rookies and then look at my team after Round 6 😀

Might be more fun
 

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A message from the boss 😀 I certainly will take notice.

Seriously though Jay , thanks for the post and reminder.

Certainly not a lot of fun and enjoyment at the moment , but yes it is just a game and given everything else going on in the world we are lucky indeed.

Thanks for the offer but I just need to soldier on and see what I can resurrect.

Cheers

Everton won overnight so qualification for Europe is still possible 😀
That's a post that I wanted to see @Herbie66

Just aim for top 10,000 then re-assess next year mate.

Okay getting ready for soccer training well not me, but my son...LOL
 
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RCD's JS isn't great.
Feels like your read on this is a bit off.

Cotchin and Edwards have had 4-6 week injuries in back to back weeks. Lambert and Prestia both out for another 2-3 weeks.

RCD's JS couldn't be any better for a rookie at this point and RIchmond would very much benefit from him finding his feet and becoming a bit of an inside bull for them to help Cotchin out, so they have every reason to keep playing him even though he was a bit ordinary last week.
 

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@Herbie66

Firstly, no more FUN trades...every trades from now on has to serve a purpose!
  • Replenishing cash generation Rookie is priority #1 so you have to grab Poulter/RCD/Byrnes this round
  • Hold onto Warner/Powell/Jordon for as long as viable
  • Trade with the MBRs in mind as that's your first avenue to resurrect your team progress
  • Forget about luxury trades as that's not a viable option under the circumstance
  • Target players that best fit where you're team is at not what the mainstream coaches are doing
  • Don't try to fix everything at once, rather focus on correcting one thing at a time and don't allow yourself to be distracted
  • Have some 'realistic' short term goals in place and set yourself the aim to check them off
You may not fix or address all the current issues (that's shouldn't be the objective) but at least you can create some pathways towards a few small wins for the remainder of the season.
 
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@Herbie66

Firstly, no more FUN trades...every trades from now on has to serve a purpose!
  • Replenishing cash generation Rookie is priority #1 so you have to grab Poulter/RCD/Byrnes this round
  • Hold onto Warner/Powell/Jordon for as long as viable
  • Trade with the MBRs in mind as that's your first avenue to resurrect your team progress
  • Forget about luxury trades as that's not a viable option under the circumstance
  • Target players that best fit where you're team is at not what the mainstream coaches are doing
  • Don't try to fix everything at once, rather focus on correcting one thing at a time and don't allow yourself to be distracted
  • Have some 'realistic' short term goals in place and set yourself the aim to checked them off
You may not fix or address all the current issues (that's shouldn't be the objective) but at least you can create some pathways towards a few small wins for the remainder of the season.
Item 6 is the number 1 item for me:

My season start was horrible but:
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Things are looking on the up now.

Fix 1 thing at a time with a plan to maximise your MBR scores and you never know what could happen.
 
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