Discussion 2021 Round 11: Teams & In Game Discussion

Who is your VC (or C if no loop) for tonight's top of the table clash between doggies & dees?

  • Bont

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Gawn

    Votes: 40 37.4%
  • Macrae

    Votes: 43 40.2%
  • Oliver

    Votes: 16 15.0%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 4 3.7%

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Its a shame 2 round 14 teams weren't playing in the NT this week
I'm delighted it's not, I don't really know how everyone has managed to have that bye as the problem but it's the one that I need zero trades to have 20 playing right now while needing more than a little luck for r13 and should just scrape in now thanks to this for round 12!

I also have to say... WHY THE **** are they doing best 18 again, it's such an absolutely horrific solution. You just double down the punishment on those who have a lot of players from those two teams as they have to rely on rookies to try and cover for premium spots while the teams who don't have them get to field extra premiums. You then also lose the cash generation on rookies. So basically a lose/lose/lose equation for those with them and a huge win/win/win advantage for those without them.

I normally hate everything AFL Fantasy does but giving them the average score if they played last week is just a much neater solution to the problem.

I say this as someone who only has 1 player from those teams this year but I remember how it quite literally ended my season last year with 10 players from the two teams meaning that even after two trades I could only field about 17 players, most of whom were rookies so while I scored 1500 odd I dropped a solid 400+ points on most teams that week.

Oh well... a year later I'm on the other side of the coin and now have a great reason to target Touk who I really wanted to bring in anyway and I can probably save the r13 bye now that the r12 bye became easier to navigate with the Touk/Titch solutions :)
 
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Not good news.

This has far reaching implications.

Could be chaos for us up here. And we are barely coping as it is.
I would say a lock down of at least 5 days is almost certain.

If it is like last time, it is more to help sort out contact tracing rather than being worried about significant spreading (I understand that was the main reason for the last Melbourne lock down anyway - the contract tracers couldn't keep up).

Feel sorry for all like yourself relying on tourism for an income, must be tough times. Hopefully things get better soon once more people get vaccinated.
 

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Living on the other side of the world (Denmark - for those that don't realise, Denmark is the same size as Tassie, and population as Victoria), I'm constantly amazed at the different reactions each country has. I'm not saying what is right or wrong, but just listing for comparison.
Australia- someone in a crowd at a sports match tests positive, and the whole sport gets thrown into disarray. It's like the players being located in the stadium are some sort of high chance of having been infected by someone in the crowd. Given the way the infection travels, that would seem about as likely as catching it from your next door neighbour, whom you haven't been closer than 20 metres to, in the past 12 months.
Victoria (6.6 mill people, 227,000km^2) - Victoria has had a total of 20,563 cases, of which 23 are currently active, and 1 is in hospital. In the last week Victoria has recorded 17 new cases. There have been 971,000 vaccinations administered.
Denmark (5.8 mill people, 43,000km^2) - Denmark has had a total of 276,000 cases (13 times more than Victoria), there are currently around 13,000 active (around 600 times Victoria), 148 in Hospital (148 times more than Victoria), in the past week Denmark has recorded around 7,000 new cases. There have been 1,750,000 vaccinations administered (twice as many as Vic.)
Denmark carries out around 160,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 1,000 positives/day (0.6%)
Victoria carries out around 13,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 2 positives/day (0.015% that's 1/40th of Denmarks rate)

Okay, now here's the part I struggle to understand. I re-iterate, i'm not saying who has it right ........

Looking at those numbers above, who would think that
Denmark is actively, but slowly, re-opening life and business. Things are nearly sort of back to normal.
Victoria is talking of closing everything down for 5 days.

I can't get my head around, the reaction to someone in a crowd testing positive, leading to the players, being locked down, and 20 new cases in a week means everything closes down, while Denmark is slowly doing the opposite, with 400 times as many new cases each week.
 
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Living on the other side of the world (Denmark - for those that don't realise, Denmark is the same size as Tassie, and population as Victoria), I'm constantly amazed at the different reactions each country has. I'm not saying what is right or wrong, but just listing for comparison.
Australia- someone in a crowd at a sports match tests positive, and the whole sport gets thrown into disarray. It's like the players being located in the stadium are some sort of high chance of having been infected by someone in the crowd. Given the way the infection travels, that would seem about as likely as catching it from your next door neighbour, whom you haven't been closer than 20 metres to, in the past 12 months.
Victoria (6.6 mill people, 227,000km^2) - Victoria has had a total of 20,563 cases, of which 23 are currently active, and 1 is in hospital. In the last week Victoria has recorded 17 new cases. There have been 971,000 vaccinations administered.
Denmark (5.8 mill people, 43,000km^2) - Denmark has had a total of 276,000 cases (13 times more than Victoria), there are currently around 13,000 active (around 600 times Victoria), 148 in Hospital (148 times more than Victoria), in the past week Denmark has recorded around 7,000 new cases. There have been 1,750,000 vaccinations administered (twice as many as Vic.)
Denmark carries out around 160,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 1,000 positives/day (0.6%)
Victoria carries out around 13,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 2 positives/day (0.015% that's 1/40th of Denmarks rate)

Okay, now here's the part I struggle to understand. I re-iterate, i'm not saying who has it right ........

Looking at those numbers above, who would think that
Denmark is actively, but slowly, re-opening life and business. Things are nearly sort of back to normal.
Victoria is talking of closing everything down for 5 days.

I can't get my head around, the reaction to someone in a crowd testing positive, leading to the players, being locked down, and 20 new cases in a week means everything closes down, while Denmark is slowly doing the opposite, with 400 times as many new cases each week.
It's actually really hard to look at the stats objectively, read the media hysteria and political hysterics as well and not get the old tin foil hat out.

At the same time, can totally understand that it's pretty hard to tell people that they have to die a bit earlier than they would have so that everyone else can live and enjoy their lives but at the same time we do this in many other facets of life.

Going to be some fascinating studies in a few years across all different fields, that's for sure.
 
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I'm delighted it's not, I don't really know how everyone has managed to have that bye as the problem but it's the one that I need zero trades to have 20 playing right now while needing more than a little luck for r13 and should just scrape in now thanks to this for round 12!

I also have to say... WHY THE **** are they doing best 18 again, it's such an absolutely horrific solution. You just double down the punishment on those who have a lot of players from those two teams as they have to rely on rookies to try and cover for premium spots while the teams who don't have them get to field extra premiums. You then also lose the cash generation on rookies. So basically a lose/lose/lose equation for those with them and a huge win/win/win advantage for those without them.

I normally hate everything AFL Fantasy does but giving them the average score if they played last week is just a much neater solution to the problem.

I say this as someone who only has 1 player from those teams this year but I remember how it quite literally ended my season last year with 10 players from the two teams meaning that even after two trades I could only field about 17 players, most of whom were rookies so while I scored 1500 odd I dropped a solid 400+ points on most teams that week.

Oh well... a year later I'm on the other side of the coin and now have a great reason to target Touk who I really wanted to bring in anyway and I can probably save the r13 bye now that the r12 bye became easier to navigate with the Touk/Titch solutions :)
Well, you are lucky. I tried to set myself up to trade into 18 players for 13 and 14. May have around 24 players in 12 and cant get them all on the park. Last year all over again for me.
 
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Living on the other side of the world (Denmark - for those that don't realise, Denmark is the same size as Tassie, and population as Victoria), I'm constantly amazed at the different reactions each country has. I'm not saying what is right or wrong, but just listing for comparison.
Australia- someone in a crowd at a sports match tests positive, and the whole sport gets thrown into disarray. It's like the players being located in the stadium are some sort of high chance of having been infected by someone in the crowd. Given the way the infection travels, that would seem about as likely as catching it from your next door neighbour, whom you haven't been closer than 20 metres to, in the past 12 months.
Victoria (6.6 mill people, 227,000km^2) - Victoria has had a total of 20,563 cases, of which 23 are currently active, and 1 is in hospital. In the last week Victoria has recorded 17 new cases. There have been 971,000 vaccinations administered.
Denmark (5.8 mill people, 43,000km^2) - Denmark has had a total of 276,000 cases (13 times more than Victoria), there are currently around 13,000 active (around 600 times Victoria), 148 in Hospital (148 times more than Victoria), in the past week Denmark has recorded around 7,000 new cases. There have been 1,750,000 vaccinations administered (twice as many as Vic.)
Denmark carries out around 160,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 1,000 positives/day (0.6%)
Victoria carries out around 13,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 2 positives/day (0.015% that's 1/40th of Denmarks rate)

Okay, now here's the part I struggle to understand. I re-iterate, i'm not saying who has it right ........

Looking at those numbers above, who would think that
Denmark is actively, but slowly, re-opening life and business. Things are nearly sort of back to normal.
Victoria is talking of closing everything down for 5 days.

I can't get my head around, the reaction to someone in a crowd testing positive, leading to the players, being locked down, and 20 new cases in a week means everything closes down, while Denmark is slowly doing the opposite, with 400 times as many new cases each week.
Sometimes like supercoach. It comes down to pure maths and what is an acceptable risk and what is not.

Me. I like lockdowns
 
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Living on the other side of the world (Denmark - for those that don't realise, Denmark is the same size as Tassie, and population as Victoria), I'm constantly amazed at the different reactions each country has. I'm not saying what is right or wrong, but just listing for comparison.
Australia- someone in a crowd at a sports match tests positive, and the whole sport gets thrown into disarray. It's like the players being located in the stadium are some sort of high chance of having been infected by someone in the crowd. Given the way the infection travels, that would seem about as likely as catching it from your next door neighbour, whom you haven't been closer than 20 metres to, in the past 12 months.
Victoria (6.6 mill people, 227,000km^2) - Victoria has had a total of 20,563 cases, of which 23 are currently active, and 1 is in hospital. In the last week Victoria has recorded 17 new cases. There have been 971,000 vaccinations administered.
Denmark (5.8 mill people, 43,000km^2) - Denmark has had a total of 276,000 cases (13 times more than Victoria), there are currently around 13,000 active (around 600 times Victoria), 148 in Hospital (148 times more than Victoria), in the past week Denmark has recorded around 7,000 new cases. There have been 1,750,000 vaccinations administered (twice as many as Vic.)
Denmark carries out around 160,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 1,000 positives/day (0.6%)
Victoria carries out around 13,000 tests/day, and are currently recording around 2 positives/day (0.015% that's 1/40th of Denmarks rate)

Okay, now here's the part I struggle to understand. I re-iterate, i'm not saying who has it right ........

Looking at those numbers above, who would think that
Denmark is actively, but slowly, re-opening life and business. Things are nearly sort of back to normal.
Victoria is talking of closing everything down for 5 days.

I can't get my head around, the reaction to someone in a crowd testing positive, leading to the players, being locked down, and 20 new cases in a week means everything closes down, while Denmark is slowly doing the opposite, with 400 times as many new cases each week.
Testing is the answer prior to full vaccination. You could be paid to do it. It would save money because **** would be open.
 

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I would say a lock down of at least 5 days is almost certain.

If it is like last time, it is more to help sort out contact tracing rather than being worried about significant spreading (I understand that was the main reason for the last Melbourne lock down anyway - the contract tracers couldn't keep up).

Feel sorry for all like yourself relying on tourism for an income, must be tough times. Hopefully things get better soon once more people get vaccinated.
The issue that everyone in business has throughout Australia, if not the world, is that we are not back to normal. Certainly, not in operation and not in work force.

Unfortunately, everyone who is travelling is expecting things to be back to normal or above.

Up here in FNQ, everyone is experiencing waitlists for restaurants of weeks if not months. Similar for tours. Car rental has gone from $50 a day to $300, etc. And I could go on.

We sent home thousands of working visa applicants, who had the capacity to stay because they hadn't fulfilled their extension requirements (due to COVID19). However, we were never going to replace them with new travelers. And WOW, now we have a shortage of workers.
 
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I need a RD 13 Mid

Who do you think will take Adam Treloar role in the Team.....Hunter or Smith

Who do you consider to have a hope of a 105+ avg to the end of the year.?

History Says Hunter has the higher ceiling but Smith is cheaper and has massive potential.

Tim Kelly Maybe...

Just Been a horrific year for injuries and need a cheap M8.
 
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Clearly no one is sure of what will happen with the Covid impact but I assume the AFL postponed the game this week because it fits those teams as they both had the Rd 12. So I wonder if games like Ess/Rich Rd 12 at the G and Melb/Coll rd 13 at the G are possible candidates as well. We might be hubs by then but those types of games are could be the cleanest to move around. That would make bye planning pointless.
 
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Not passing judgment one way or the other, the reactions of authorities in Australia and other countries are quite starkly different. Switzerland, Germany, France and Spain all have higher incidence rates, but are focused more on mass vaccination and a gradual re-opening.
The volume of cases in Australia is comparatively very low, the measures put in place are strong.
Not wading into what's right / wrong, just a stark difference.
 
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I need a RD 13 Mid

Who do you think will take Adam Treloar role in the Team.....Hunter or Smith

Who do you consider to have a hope of a 105+ avg to the end of the year.?

History Says Hunter has the higher ceiling but Smith is cheaper and has massive potential.

Tim Kelly Maybe...

Just Been a horrific year for injuries and need a cheap M8.
Assuming you want them before the bye it would have to be Lyons, Walsh, Macrae, Bont, Libba, Parish, Merrett or Gaff for mine. Maybe Kelly but reckon he suffers when Shuey and Yeo are back as both are comfortably better players if they're remotely fit. Clug I wouldn't go with tags approaching and Neale's return both big unknowns. Neale is the obvious target if waiting until post bye.

I don't think the Cripps, Curnow, Prestia, Hunter and Smith types are worth it, I mean it's possible they could but I wouldn't be jumping in this week on any of them (except maybe Curnow) and next week may as well go Titch/Touk and then in round 13 you'd have Jelly, Boak and Duncan available.
 
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I'm delighted it's not, I don't really know how everyone has managed to have that bye as the problem but it's the one that I need zero trades to have 20 playing right now while needing more than a little luck for r13 and should just scrape in now thanks to this for round 12!

I also have to say... WHY THE **** are they doing best 18 again, it's such an absolutely horrific solution. You just double down the punishment on those who have a lot of players from those two teams as they have to rely on rookies to try and cover for premium spots while the teams who don't have them get to field extra premiums. You then also lose the cash generation on rookies. So basically a lose/lose/lose equation for those with them and a huge win/win/win advantage for those without them.

I normally hate everything AFL Fantasy does but giving them the average score if they played last week is just a much neater solution to the problem.

I say this as someone who only has 1 player from those teams this year but I remember how it quite literally ended my season last year with 10 players from the two teams meaning that even after two trades I could only field about 17 players, most of whom were rookies so while I scored 1500 odd I dropped a solid 400+ points on most teams that week.

Oh well... a year later I'm on the other side of the coin and now have a great reason to target Touk who I really wanted to bring in anyway and I can probably save the r13 bye now that the r12 bye became easier to navigate with the Touk/Titch solutions :)
The above rant meant I looked up my team from Round 3 in 2020.

It copped a 12k ranking drop from 6k to 18k due to the absence of Gawn, Dev Smith, Viney, McGrath, Rivers and Bennell and non use of a playing bench player from the Friday night match. It then went on a surge thereafter and cracked the top 10 with a month to go. While the team didn’t have Ridley, Oliver or Merrett as some others did, it indicates a lot of teams did suffer and managed to post good rankings through outperforming in the other 22 rounds, ie one bad round doesn’t preclude a top 500 finish.

What was just as lucky or otherwise was how teams fared with their bye profile through the later byes/multibyes given no one could plan in advance. Which is a far different outcome to what is likely to occur this season.
 
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It's actually really hard to look at the stats objectively, read the media hysteria and political hysterics as well and not get the old tin foil hat out.

At the same time, can totally understand that it's pretty hard to tell people that they have to die a bit earlier than they would have so that everyone else can live and enjoy their lives but at the same time we do this in many other facets of life.

Going to be some fascinating studies in a few years across all different fields, that's for sure.
I think people need to take some personal responsibility here. If you are vulnerable or worried you can get a shot, you can wear a mask, you can stay away. Whoever wants a jab should be able to call and book it in. This roll out has been quite ridiculous.

Its also ridiculous that the NT game can't go ahead. Negative tests and play ***.
 
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