BBL|11 Player's Price & Break Even Projections by TAILS

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Round 3 / Game 1 update (#10):

- SYDT v MELS @ Sydney Showground Stadium (7.15 pm start)

Notes:
- MELS players have another game to play yet so price changes will change yet again because of the DGR !!
- So this is not a "true" reflection yet until the next game is completed ... please don't do any trades based on that teams predictions just yet ..

- MELS won the toss and decided to Bowl first ...
- No X factor players were used this game ...
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Marsh won’t rise that much, MN is different for players who haven’t played a game. After 145 SC points Marsh was projected to be 145k
Seems the MN is 124 for him and others playing no games.
 
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Marsh won’t rise that much, MN is different for players who haven’t played a game. After 145 SC points Marsh was projected to be 145k
Seems the MN is 124 for him and others playing no games.
But he scored 165 ... I'll stick by the formula I've got in place ....

MN is different for players that haven't played a game .... where did you get that from ...
 

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Marsh won’t rise that much, MN is different for players who haven’t played a game. After 145 SC points Marsh was projected to be 145k
Seems the MN is 124 for him and others playing no games.
Supercoach Scores has a great reputation for BBL statistics. @Tails has a great handle on the price rises and break evens. A former winner @THCLT was his sensei.

So, unless you can show your alternate pricing module, we will trust @Tails figures.
 

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Marsh won’t rise that much, MN is different for players who haven’t played a game. After 145 SC points Marsh was projected to be 145k
Seems the MN is 124 for him and others playing no games.
Rather than making unsubstantiated post, I suggest you show a bit more gratitude & appreciation to the information freely provided by @Tails

Furthermore, he usually has them up after each and every game, even before the post match interviews are completed. This is extremely useful for working and planning through your possible trades for the following round as you don't have to wait until the end of a round, particularly so when the break in between rounds is generally only 24 hours.

Also, the MN is constant for ALL players regardless of how many games they've played for the season. The MN is a calculated number based on the player's total price pool and their respective averages, this will gradually rise then stabilise through a season as the lower priced players rises closer to their expected averages and vice versa.

To highlight this, let's looks at Matt Short after his 107 in R1, his actual price for R2 was $83,900.
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Below is the projected price and BE for Mitch Marsh for R4, let's wait and see how close it is at the completion of this round.
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First of all, I’m going to emphasise how much I value Tails contribution, as I mentioned on one of the first posts of this thread, it’s my favourite of the bbl season. With such a little turnaround in lockout, it’s perfect for planning.

I wonder if Marsh potentially rising less after one game is because the others have played more? So it’s different for players coming in mid-season. Now I have no evidence, or mathematical background here but waging a theoretical explanation? Did Qais/Dre Russ drop more than expected game 2?

As a non-owner 145-150k would hurt a lot less 😅😅😅
 

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I wonder if Marsh potentially rising less after one game is because the others have played more? So it’s different for players coming in mid-season. Now I have no evidence, or mathematical background here but waging a theoretical explanation? Did Qais/Dre Russ drop more than expected game 2?
Andre Russell projection below after scoring 18 in R2, his actually price was $165,700 (-$2K on projection).
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Qais Ahmad projection below after scoring 30 in R2, his actual price was $120,500 (-$1K on projection).
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Based on the above and provided we don't see too many players scoring well above their PTA (Price To Average) and vice versa, I would expect MMarsh R4 price to be circa $160K.

Like I mentioned above, we'll find out soon enough after tonight's game. However, if the algorithm is consistent then I would expect the projection to hold true. If not, then there's obviously some inconsistency in their calculations (which has happened in previous season, particularly for players coming off a DGR).

If the later is true, then we (Tails) have no control over it, he can only provide projections based on his best understanding and knowledge.

Hope that helps.
 

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Let's revisit this particular tweet in its entirety to put it in context.

Tim's original reply to the MN query was that it wasn't his forte, then somehow a couple of tweets later he was very definitive in saying that it's lower for game one and always has been!

I'll let you be the judge...

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Let's revisit this particular tweet in its entirety to put it in context.

Tim's original reply to the MN query was that it wasn't his forte, then somehow a couple of tweets later he was very definitive in saying that it's lower for game one and always has been!

I'll let you be the judge...

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I think all he’s done is multiply by 11. Obviously not putting much thought into it.
 
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Looks like my Twitter handle has been found 😂 as that’s the exact conversation and where I got the lower rise from. Tim obviously has some kind of knowledge regarding it, due to his position in the games ranks. Will be interesting to see what the rise is. If I’m honest I believe Tails.
 
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