I've been a massive Witts fan over the journey, but coming back from an ACL + Chol in the team I suspect he will be eased into it very slowly. Even at 70 average im struggling to see much upside, I guess if youre willing to bet the premo guys come back to the back a bit he could hold his value, but I cant really see him averaging much more than 75-80. Pre ACL the 90+ average was with an absolute monopoly on the ruck, I can see Chol taking a 35-40% share
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I've been a massive Witts fan over the journey, but coming back from an ACL + Chol in the team I suspect he will be eased into it very slowly. Even at 70 average im struggling to see much upside, I guess if youre willing to bet the premo guys come back to the back a bit he could hold his value, but I cant really see him averaging much more than 75-80. Pre ACL the 90+ average was with an absolute monopoly on the ruck, I can see Chol taking a 35-40% share
Agree with the consensus that it's pretty pointless picking someone in the hope they jag DPP.
For the most part, they will be performing less then their main line (e.g. Marshall going at 100, you're giving up points to the premiums), and if they are awarded DPP, they become everyone's next trade target - so you lose the advantage that you gambled for, almost instantly.
For the most part, they will be performing less then their main line (e.g. Marshall going at 100, you're giving up points to the premiums), and if they are awarded DPP, they become everyone's next trade target - so you lose the advantage that you gambled for, almost instantly.
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Haven’t seen much in the way of training reports re: Jackson.
However, I am willing to speculate that he is very likely to increase his time around the contest this season.
I’ve mentioned it earlier, but Jackson playing in the ruck was one of the main reasons the Grand Final was turned on its head in the 3rd quarter. Max Gawn has actually been quoted as saying to the coaching staff to leave Jacko in there with Gawn either on the bench or playing elsewhere during that time.
I think we’ll see a lot more of Jackson in the ruck this season and therefore Gawn a lot less.
However, I am willing to speculate that he is very likely to increase his time around the contest this season.
I’ve mentioned it earlier, but Jackson playing in the ruck was one of the main reasons the Grand Final was turned on its head in the 3rd quarter. Max Gawn has actually been quoted as saying to the coaching staff to leave Jacko in there with Gawn either on the bench or playing elsewhere during that time.
I think we’ll see a lot more of Jackson in the ruck this season and therefore Gawn a lot less.
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Get's a little extra value being R/F capable but he's still going to need to push close to 100 looking at the other guys around him. If others have role and injury on their sides you'll see Duncan, Dunkley, Treloar, Martin, Taranto, Cogs all at the pointy end with guys a run of guys clipping at their heels. Looking at it on paper like that does worry me.
I'm trying to find the narrative where Luke Jackson goes 95+, because I want to pick him 
21 H&A games last year:
11/21 60 SC or less (yuk! 4 of them were in the 30s as well)
5/21 100 SC or more
Average when 16 or more disposals (7 matches): 106.9
There's a few of those higher disposal games where he had very few hitouts and no goals and still cracked 100 SC, so it seems like he can score just by getting around the footy and being involved. The HO and goals are icing on top.
So if he's going to get a much increased ruck share to get him into the action, he'll go premium for forwards. If not, he'll throw out some 30s stuck forward and we'll regret it immensely.
21 H&A games last year:
11/21 60 SC or less (yuk! 4 of them were in the 30s as well
)5/21 100 SC or more
Average when 16 or more disposals (7 matches): 106.9
There's a few of those higher disposal games where he had very few hitouts and no goals and still cracked 100 SC, so it seems like he can score just by getting around the footy and being involved. The HO and goals are icing on top.
So if he's going to get a much increased ruck share to get him into the action, he'll go premium for forwards. If not, he'll throw out some 30s stuck forward and we'll regret it immensely
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I had him in my only preseason team so far, but after reading Bulldogs supporters comments on him from BF, it's bloody hard to back him in. So many don't see him as a genuine ruck. If we are relying on his around the ground ability + forward craft what is his ceiling? A Nankervis type at best, IF he takes it up a gear.
Think we are better off waiting for the Marshall DPP at some point then bringing him in up forward.
Think we are better off waiting for the Marshall DPP at some point then bringing him in up forward.
I'm trying to find the narrative where Luke Jackson goes 95+, because I want to pick him
21 H&A games last year:
11/21 60 SC or less (yuk! 4 of them were in the 30s as well)
5/21 100 SC or more
Average when 16 or more disposals (7 matches): 106.9
There's a few of those higher disposal games where he had very few hitouts and no goals and still cracked 100 SC, so it seems like he can score just by getting around the footy and being involved. The HO and goals are icing on top.
So if he's going to get a much increased ruck share to get him into the action, he'll go premium for forwards. If not, he'll throw out some 30s stuck forward and we'll regret it immensely.
21 H&A games last year:
11/21 60 SC or less (yuk! 4 of them were in the 30s as well
)5/21 100 SC or more
Average when 16 or more disposals (7 matches): 106.9
There's a few of those higher disposal games where he had very few hitouts and no goals and still cracked 100 SC, so it seems like he can score just by getting around the footy and being involved. The HO and goals are icing on top.
So if he's going to get a much increased ruck share to get him into the action, he'll go premium for forwards. If not, he'll throw out some 30s stuck forward and we'll regret it immensely
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Jackson is very hard to see at 100+ for mine. English, Ladhams, McEvoy and Marshall probably is probably the most comparable to his anticipated role this year, of those Marshall the only one at a premium level up forward and none remotely close as rucks. Marshall for mine kind of represents the dream scenario as well as he played a fair bit without Ryder. Does have a couple of injury games in there but you're still only looking at a forward premium.
Realistically I think English type scoring would be a pretty huge result. English and McEvoy are the top 2 guys who were genuinely 2nd rucks and even those two are both boosted by significant time as the lone ruck in the team.
I can buy the story of 100 but I feel like it's pretty loose with the facts to get there and to this point he's not really shown it either as a ruck or a forward that's he a 100+ guy on any kind of consistent basis and Max Gawn is still the best ruck in the league so he's going to more than likely be there most of the time when it matters.
Realistically I think English type scoring would be a pretty huge result. English and McEvoy are the top 2 guys who were genuinely 2nd rucks and even those two are both boosted by significant time as the lone ruck in the team.
I can buy the story of 100 but I feel like it's pretty loose with the facts to get there and to this point he's not really shown it either as a ruck or a forward that's he a 100+ guy on any kind of consistent basis and Max Gawn is still the best ruck in the league so he's going to more than likely be there most of the time when it matters.
Totally agree.
However, there's plenty of rucking in a game that's not CBAs. I can see games this year (probably saw some last year?) where Gawn takes the bounce and a string of contests before drifting forward/back and Jackson does some 'mobile' rucking. Come the next goal, they reset and go again.
Keeping in mind that when he played these kind of games he was a 19yo, 199cm rookie ruck...
R21 vs West Coast - 21 disposals, 6 marks, 0 goals, 6 HO - 104 SC
R7 vs North - 22 disposals, 2 marks, 1 goal, 7 HO - 104 SC
Like @wogitalia said as well, I just can't see enough ruck time there this year to consistently hit those games without clunking bags of goals as a forward.
But he's going to be an amazing player.
However, there's plenty of rucking in a game that's not CBAs. I can see games this year (probably saw some last year?) where Gawn takes the bounce and a string of contests before drifting forward/back and Jackson does some 'mobile' rucking. Come the next goal, they reset and go again.
Keeping in mind that when he played these kind of games he was a 19yo, 199cm rookie ruck...
R21 vs West Coast - 21 disposals, 6 marks, 0 goals, 6 HO - 104 SC
R7 vs North - 22 disposals, 2 marks, 1 goal, 7 HO - 104 SC
Like @wogitalia said as well, I just can't see enough ruck time there this year to consistently hit those games without clunking bags of goals as a forward.
But he's going to be an amazing player.