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The AFLW players generally miss one week fwiw.
And given the conditioning differences between the two leagues I'd expect that's on the longer end of what to expect.

How long they miss will mostly come down to the rules, imo. Probably 99% of the AFL guys will be asymptomatic or very minor symptoms so it's likely that players are more likely to miss because the rules make them sit out say 7 days than because they can't physically play.
 

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And given the conditioning differences between the two leagues I'd expect that's on the longer end of what to expect.

How long they miss will mostly come down to the rules, imo. Probably 99% of the AFL guys will be asymptomatic or very minor symptoms so it's likely that players are more likely to miss because the rules make them sit out say 7 days than because they can't physically play.
Yep, I think that’s it.

The BBL players also generally would miss one week too fwiw (they usually would all get over it within that 7 day mandated period)
 
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Watched the Tigers intra-club.

3 periods of full length, very few players switching teams. Good intensity to the hitout.

Notable outs include: Dusty, Lynch, Lambert and Graham, all 4 are realistically best 22.

Teams were black vs yellow. Black was the first midfield and forwards, yellow had the 1st team defenders. There were very few changes to the teams, will note them below.

Have to say, if the Tigers end up needing their VFL guys they had several that were really good. Shout out to D'Ambrosio, Hicks, Lefau and Jorgensen in particular.

Numerical order:

Vlastuin - Stock standard. Took several kick-ins, basically whoever was closest out of Short and Vlastuin took them unless there was a quick play on offer, tactically they went short to the pocket on 95% of them, with Rioli, Short and Vlastuin the targets on all but a couple of them. Seemed a very set tactic for the yellow defense and is very fantasy friendly for that trio, basically they either get the kick-in or a mark+kick on 2/3 of the kick-ins.

Grimes - Stock standard, we know what he is.

Prestia - Looked in ripping nick. Played the whole game which surprised me a bit and is probably a great indicator of confidence in the body. Draft league only for me but not the worst little bargain buy out there.

Ross - In the main midfield group for the yellow team, was solid but didn't stand out.

Tarrant - FB for the black team. Solid game for him, accountable role as Grimes and Vlastuin took the intercept positions pretty much exclusively all day.

Baker - Was excellent up forward for the blacks, kicked 4 I believe, all pretty decent workrate goals. Looks in ripping touch, limited midfield rotations but did get some.

Riewoldt - Soundly beaten by Gibcus, his goal was a bad handball turnover straight to him, his I believe 4 marks for the game were all on turnover quick exits where he had a lot of room to work in, otherwise Gibcus beat him soundly in one on one contests and gave him no rope to work with. He looked solid as well so more a statement for the kid.

Cotchin - Played 2/3 and was solid. Standard Cotchin basically.

Edwards - Also played 2/3 from what I could tell, forward pushing up with limited midfield minutes.

Castagna - High HF role and was really good, most consistent marking target for them with relentless leading. Was on the black side.

Short - Standard for him, took majority of kick-ins, involved in linkup work. Definitely had a pretty chilled outlook to it and wasn't working too hard.

Aarts - Played on the wing for the black team all game, was solid but definitely not prolific.

Rioli - Gluttonous role for him, would have had somewhere in the 10-15 marks range, pretty much all inside defensive 50 or on switches on the wing. Had a couple of clanger kicks but otherwise solid. Probably biggest negative is he was definitely on Baker for significant parts of the game including at least a couple of the goals so still a bit of work defensively to come but looked very confident demanding the ball and run and carry. Really awkward price but I feel pretty good that he should average 85+ and probably 90+ this year.

Soldo - Nank ran the game out better but Soldo was even to slightly ahead in the ruck contests. Gives so little around the ground though and Nank's hitout wins are much higher quality, Soldo gets hands on it a lot but little control, Nank doesn't get hands on a lot but very good directional skills. Was on the yellow team.

Balta - Playing forward/2nd ruck for the black team, seems to be his role. Was solid in the ruck, especially at ground level, and did enough up forward against good opposition to say it's a good fit. Interesting to see how they fit Riewoldt, Lynch and Balta in though, I liked the smaller balance they had today.

Caddy - Looked back to his best, in great shape and working really hard up and back from that HF role. On the black team, definitely got multiple options for that spot.

Nank - See Soldo, he was good, kicked a couple I think, intercept work was good and his hitouts were decisive when he won them. I think he's a much better player than Soldo and should be the #1 on his own as is much better doing that.

RCD - Best mid for the yellow, faded a bit towards the 2nd half of the 2nd period but was probably the best mid on the field to that point. I wonder how they squeeze him in given he seems to be kind of limited to that inside role only but he's going to be really good.

Gibcus - The standout takeaway from a fantasy perspective for mine. Manning Riewoldt for the 1st defense and beat him very well. Kid is seriously impressive. Not a lot to him but he's one of those "skinny muscular" wiry strong types, not dissimilar to Grimes. Read the play excellently, intercepted and spoiled probably half a dozen times, was confident leaving Riewoldt to help out and backing his judgement, perhaps most impressively was his confidence to leave Riewoldt and be an offensive option or to give the bailout kick for teammates. Would have had around 15 touches and a half dozen marks by my count, reckon it was a solid 85 type of fantasy game, possibly a bit more with the hidden points. About the only "negative" I could say about his game was that Broad was also really good :LOL:

I might be reading too much into it but it sure seems that moving Balta forward and his role in the 1st defense in this game is a statement about what they think of him internally. Tiger fans are going to love him if this is any indicator!

Bolton - Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it... now that's out of the way, god he looks tempting. Would have been about 80% midfield in this game and he was the clear best midfielder on the ground for the most part, Prestia had a few moments but for impact it was Bolton. Created space where there wasn't any, actually worked well defensively and when he did push forward he found space. I think I need to get a "No dickheads" policy to save myself from him but there was nothing in this game to suggest he doesn't belong in the Heeney, Butters or Thomas group. The real question is how much does Lambert, Martin and Graham impact that role, which is probably enough doubt that we probably don't get an answer to for me to wait and see but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who started him.

Mansell - Was solid off half back for the black (2nds) defense. Didn't do anything to standout above the existing HB though so think that's a fair indicator of position in squad.

McIntosh - Wing for blacks, solid.

Broad - Was excellent for the black defense. Caveat here is that the delivery into the yellow forwardline was significantly lower quality which makes that intercept role a lot easier, I couldn't actually tell you who he manned most of the game he was that open, but he played outstandingly well, definitely going to at best keep the pressure on Gibcus and at worst knock him out. As mentioned, he's really the only negative to the Gibcus pick right now :LOL:

Martyn - Had some nice moments but didn't do anything to demand a 1st team gig in a very good role for the second team.

Parker - Started wing for the yellow team, didn't do much. Switched to HF for the black team when Edwards came off and was significantly better but I can't see how anyone could say he's ahead of any of the forwards playing from the start or the guys missing.

Cumberland - Good left boot on him, did some nice things as a forward for the yellows but think he's 5 players out of the side for now.

Sonsie - Really strong midfield role for the 2nd team, he was decent but definitely not prolific enough or doing anything to demand a spot just yet.

Stack - Playing HF for the yellow team, was pretty ineffectual throughout and definitely going through the motions. Like Cumberland for mine but can also play HB if needed.

Ralphsmith - Primary rebounder with Broad for the yellow 2nd defense, he was really solid and definitely at least keeping Rioli honest for that position but I'd be pretty surprised if he could take the spot, good depth with him, Mansell and Stack though for them in that position.

Miller - Playing KPD for the blacks. What he did was solid but nothing to suggest he's close to a game.

Nyoun - No real impact on the game to the point where I had to go back to my notes to confirm that he was playing defense for the blacks :LOL:

Rioli - Forward for the yellows, had a couple of nice touches and a couple of good pressure acts but that's literally all he had.

Pickett - Wing for the yellow team, stock standard from him.
Awesome stuff mate.
 
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Watched the Tigers intra-club.

3 periods of full length, very few players switching teams. Good intensity to the hitout.

Notable outs include: Dusty, Lynch, Lambert and Graham, all 4 are realistically best 22.

Teams were black vs yellow. Black was the first midfield and forwards, yellow had the 1st team defenders. There were very few changes to the teams, will note them below.

Have to say, if the Tigers end up needing their VFL guys they had several that were really good. Shout out to D'Ambrosio, Hicks, Lefau and Jorgensen in particular.

Numerical order:

Vlastuin - Stock standard. Took several kick-ins, basically whoever was closest out of Short and Vlastuin took them unless there was a quick play on offer, tactically they went short to the pocket on 95% of them, with Rioli, Short and Vlastuin the targets on all but a couple of them. Seemed a very set tactic for the yellow defense and is very fantasy friendly for that trio, basically they either get the kick-in or a mark+kick on 2/3 of the kick-ins.

Grimes - Stock standard, we know what he is.

Prestia - Looked in ripping nick. Played the whole game which surprised me a bit and is probably a great indicator of confidence in the body. Draft league only for me but not the worst little bargain buy out there.

Ross - In the main midfield group for the yellow team, was solid but didn't stand out.

Tarrant - FB for the black team. Solid game for him, accountable role as Grimes and Vlastuin took the intercept positions pretty much exclusively all day.

Baker - Was excellent up forward for the blacks, kicked 4 I believe, all pretty decent workrate goals. Looks in ripping touch, limited midfield rotations but did get some.

Riewoldt - Soundly beaten by Gibcus, his goal was a bad handball turnover straight to him, his I believe 4 marks for the game were all on turnover quick exits where he had a lot of room to work in, otherwise Gibcus beat him soundly in one on one contests and gave him no rope to work with. He looked solid as well so more a statement for the kid.

Cotchin - Played 2/3 and was solid. Standard Cotchin basically.

Edwards - Also played 2/3 from what I could tell, forward pushing up with limited midfield minutes.

Castagna - High HF role and was really good, most consistent marking target for them with relentless leading. Was on the black side.

Short - Standard for him, took majority of kick-ins, involved in linkup work. Definitely had a pretty chilled outlook to it and wasn't working too hard.

Aarts - Played on the wing for the black team all game, was solid but definitely not prolific.

Rioli - Gluttonous role for him, would have had somewhere in the 10-15 marks range, pretty much all inside defensive 50 or on switches on the wing. Had a couple of clanger kicks but otherwise solid. Probably biggest negative is he was definitely on Baker for significant parts of the game including at least a couple of the goals so still a bit of work defensively to come but looked very confident demanding the ball and run and carry. Really awkward price but I feel pretty good that he should average 85+ and probably 90+ this year.

Soldo - Nank ran the game out better but Soldo was even to slightly ahead in the ruck contests. Gives so little around the ground though and Nank's hitout wins are much higher quality, Soldo gets hands on it a lot but little control, Nank doesn't get hands on a lot but very good directional skills. Was on the yellow team.

Balta - Playing forward/2nd ruck for the black team, seems to be his role. Was solid in the ruck, especially at ground level, and did enough up forward against good opposition to say it's a good fit. Interesting to see how they fit Riewoldt, Lynch and Balta in though, I liked the smaller balance they had today.

Caddy - Looked back to his best, in great shape and working really hard up and back from that HF role. On the black team, definitely got multiple options for that spot.

Nank - See Soldo, he was good, kicked a couple I think, intercept work was good and his hitouts were decisive when he won them. I think he's a much better player than Soldo and should be the #1 on his own as is much better doing that.

RCD - Best mid for the yellow, faded a bit towards the 2nd half of the 2nd period but was probably the best mid on the field to that point. I wonder how they squeeze him in given he seems to be kind of limited to that inside role only but he's going to be really good.

Gibcus - The standout takeaway from a fantasy perspective for mine. Manning Riewoldt for the 1st defense and beat him very well. Kid is seriously impressive. Not a lot to him but he's one of those "skinny muscular" wiry strong types, not dissimilar to Grimes. Read the play excellently, intercepted and spoiled probably half a dozen times, was confident leaving Riewoldt to help out and backing his judgement, perhaps most impressively was his confidence to leave Riewoldt and be an offensive option or to give the bailout kick for teammates. Would have had around 15 touches and a half dozen marks by my count, reckon it was a solid 85 type of fantasy game, possibly a bit more with the hidden points. About the only "negative" I could say about his game was that Broad was also really good :LOL:

I might be reading too much into it but it sure seems that moving Balta forward and his role in the 1st defense in this game is a statement about what they think of him internally. Tiger fans are going to love him if this is any indicator!

Bolton - Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it... now that's out of the way, god he looks tempting. Would have been about 80% midfield in this game and he was the clear best midfielder on the ground for the most part, Prestia had a few moments but for impact it was Bolton. Created space where there wasn't any, actually worked well defensively and when he did push forward he found space. I think I need to get a "No dickheads" policy to save myself from him but there was nothing in this game to suggest he doesn't belong in the Heeney, Butters or Thomas group. The real question is how much does Lambert, Martin and Graham impact that role, which is probably enough doubt that we probably don't get an answer to for me to wait and see but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who started him.

Mansell - Was solid off half back for the black (2nds) defense. Didn't do anything to standout above the existing HB though so think that's a fair indicator of position in squad.

McIntosh - Wing for blacks, solid.

Broad - Was excellent for the black defense. Caveat here is that the delivery into the yellow forwardline was significantly lower quality which makes that intercept role a lot easier, I couldn't actually tell you who he manned most of the game he was that open, but he played outstandingly well, definitely going to at best keep the pressure on Gibcus and at worst knock him out. As mentioned, he's really the only negative to the Gibcus pick right now :LOL:

Martyn - Had some nice moments but didn't do anything to demand a 1st team gig in a very good role for the second team.

Parker - Started wing for the yellow team, didn't do much. Switched to HF for the black team when Edwards came off and was significantly better but I can't see how anyone could say he's ahead of any of the forwards playing from the start or the guys missing.

Cumberland - Good left boot on him, did some nice things as a forward for the yellows but think he's 5 players out of the side for now.

Sonsie - Really strong midfield role for the 2nd team, he was decent but definitely not prolific enough or doing anything to demand a spot just yet.

Stack - Playing HF for the yellow team, was pretty ineffectual throughout and definitely going through the motions. Like Cumberland for mine but can also play HB if needed.

Ralphsmith - Primary rebounder with Broad for the yellow 2nd defense, he was really solid and definitely at least keeping Rioli honest for that position but I'd be pretty surprised if he could take the spot, good depth with him, Mansell and Stack though for them in that position.

Miller - Playing KPD for the blacks. What he did was solid but nothing to suggest he's close to a game.

Nyoun - No real impact on the game to the point where I had to go back to my notes to confirm that he was playing defense for the blacks :LOL:

Rioli - Forward for the yellows, had a couple of nice touches and a couple of good pressure acts but that's literally all he had.

Pickett - Wing for the yellow team, stock standard from him.
That is very reassuring for Short is it not?

Pretty much the Jake Lloyd/old Lachie Whitfield role.

Either takes the kick-in, or receives it.
 
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That is very reassuring for Short is it not?

Pretty much the Jake Lloyd/old Lachie Whitfield role.

Either takes the kick-in, or receives it.
To be clear, Rioli was the receiver more than anyone else. Short took the majority of the kick-ins and would expect that to continue as he's comfortably the best kick of the group (team).

But yep, it was a good structure for all 3. Basically one taking the kick and the other two open in a pocket.

Short really does seem a solid safe pick.
 
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To be clear, Rioli was the receiver more than anyone else. Short took the majority of the kick-ins and would expect that to continue as he's comfortably the best kick of the group (team).

But yep, it was a good structure for all 3. Basically one taking the kick and the other two open in a pocket.

Short really does seem a solid safe pick.
I'm torn between Ridley and Short for D2. Short seems more reliable and has the upside of no Houli. Ridley I reckon has a higher ceiling but less certainty of role (though the addition of Kelly helps). I'll likely get it wrong
 
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Mansell - Was solid off half back for the black (2nds) defense. Didn't do anything to standout above the existing HB though so think that's a fair indicator of position in squad.

Mansell is a walk up start,can defend,is brave & tackles.
This is his 1st pre season,clearly best 22 atm although whether he's SC relevant is yet to be seen.
 
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I'm torn between Ridley and Short for D2. Short seems more reliable and has the upside of no Houli. Ridley I reckon has a higher ceiling but less certainty of role (though the addition of Kelly helps). I'll likely get it wrong
They're the two who standout.

Ridley in an intercept role has a much higher ceiling for mine but there's so many vultures that take the cheap touches off him! Especially if they're genuinely going to push Merrett through there as well.

One of the great things with Short is that you know he will take a lot of kick-ins because most of their other backs are not great kicks. Bombers have Hind, Ridley and Redman that are all very good and then Laverde who is good enough and the Merrett/McGrath/Heppell types that could also float and take touches.

They're the kind of picks who really shouldn't go too wrong but I reckon there's a lot more questions on Ridley that probably merit a wait and see approach more than Short who is durable and has back to back years scoring the same basic level, no role uncertainty and, if anything, upside with the Houli with/without stats.

I'm definitely finding the defenders the hardest group this year. I don't love the premiums. They've got the fewest cheap midprice/expensive rookie priced guys and the rookies look weak there also.
 
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‘A nice dynamic’: The four pillars of the Magpies’ new midfield

Collingwood’s new coaching panel is pushing to build a new midfield around four designated types of player that will be on constant rotation.

New coach Craig Macrae and midfield coach Brendon Bolton are determined to build depth in a blended midfield focused on getting a balance.

Under the new system, either Jordan De Goey or Jamie Elliott will be at every centre bounce with the other forward. Scott Pendlebury will be half-time at half-back, Brayden Maynard will start to play on-ball and Steele Sidebottom and Josh Daicos will be permanent wings.

Collingwood are weaning themselves off the reliance on Taylor Adams on the ball, meaning the midfielder will spend longer periods at half-forward.

“You think about these four categories of midfield players, and we want to build depth in those four categories,” Bolton said.

“They all provide a different sort of mix, so it puts a nice dynamic in there.”

The four midfield types Bolton outlined are:

The good decision-makers. Players such as Pendlebury, top draftee Nick Daicos, Jack Crisp and Maynard fit this description. “Really good with ball in hand and decision-making,” Bolton said. All will play half-back and midfield.

The explosive mid. This includes players such as De Goey and Elliott. Reef McInnes, who is yet to debut, is also this type of fast, big-bodied player.
“Elliott has played forward a lot. His engine is as good as it’s ever been, he’s had the best pre-season he has had. We know De Goey, so it’s more of a dynamic, explosive type player,” Bolton said.

Pendlebury added that both Elliott and De Goey would be in constant rotation on the ball.

“It’s a hard balance because they are so damaging in front of the ball,” Pendlebury said.

“They won’t feel as much as they have in the past where they are desperate to get in there because they can’t get in there. This year, ‘Bolts’ is pretty committed that one of them will always be in at the centre bounce, so they are not going to feel like, ‘I am not getting in there at all, I am really desperate’.

“They will work as a tag team and, hopefully, it works to our advantage.”

The inside bull. This is the strong-bodied clearance player with clean hands. Adams fits this category, while ruck Brodie Grundy played this role, too, Bolton said, because he was so strong in following up like an on-baller. Finn Macrae is also this type, a calm, elite ball user and a big body. At his size (193 centimetres), McInnes also straddles the line for this mould of big-bodied mid.

The running player. The fast outside mids, typically out on a wing, who can also pinch hit on-ball. Recruit Pat Lipinski is this quick, versatile, hard-running onballer. Sidebottom and Josh Daicos will play wings, while Will Hoskin-Elliott and John Noble are these types of outside, quick on-ballers.
Identifying these four types of midfielders is not re-inventing the game, but the Magpies are focused on striking a balance in the midfield.
“We want difference in there, we don’t want all inside or all outside mids, we want a nice mix and variety,” Bolton said.

“We have been giving them all opportunities through there, but the coaches have had an eye on those categories.
“You can get to a tipping point if you try to change the mix too much and too frequently and exposing the youngsters too quickly. That’s why those categories of players and the right mix is important. You need some strong bodies around them and you drip it over time to get more and more exposure in there.”

Pendlebury said the club had always had enough midfielders to play on-ball, but the emphasis had changed this year to getting players through there.

“With those four types, it’s having that awareness of yourself and others that are in there and bringing in each other’s strength,” Pendlebury said.

“What ‘Fly’ and Bolts have done by getting a lot of numbers through there is, it’s given us so many different looks, and we are not reliant on just a Taylor Adams in there and if Tay goes down, gee, who do we replace him with? There’s ‘Crispy’, ‘Bruz’ [Maynard], Finn Macrae, the Brown boys, Josh Daicos, Patty Lipinski. We all take our turns.”

Sidebottom stripped a lot of weight over the off-season by training hard on his own. His weight has re-stabilised, but he wanted to return to his best, hard-running game after his form dropped away badly last year.

Daicos had a breakout year in 2020 on a wing but was used last year on ball and as a half-forward.

“It’s probably getting back to letting Steele decide what he wants to do. He feels settled on the wing,” Pendlebury said.

“He’s been so settled this pre-season, every session he’s just out on a wing. He knows what he’s got to do, you know what you are going to get. Josh Daicos will take the other wing. He tried to play more inside last year but the strength of the guys going through the midfield allows him to go to the position [where] he plays his best football, out on a wing.”

Pendlebury’s move to half-back and Maynard’s on the ball is the most significant shift under the new coaching regime.
Both are elite in their first positions, so the danger is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

“The one thing we know about Maynard ... he is a real competitor, but he is a quality half-back flanker, so we are not going to throw it all out at once. But there will be opportunities to give guys a run through there. Primarily, he is still a defender, but he is a real bull and a good decision-maker,” Bolton said.
To teach Maynard to develop as an on-baller, Bolton looked to Roger Federer for help. He had the defender sit and watch videos of the Swiss tennis champion and asked him what he saw, other than an elegant backhand.

It was about Federer’s feet. Tennis is a game of quick response and constantly changing set-ups, and Federer was always on his toes.

Pendlebury said he enjoyed the shift to high half-back.

While the idea of the captain trailing around after a forward for the first time in his career seems unlikely, it is clearly predicated not on having him finish his career as a tagger, but in having the best ball-users off half-back.

“Playing high back, you are still attached to a lot of stoppages to help organise. It’s twofold: make sure we set up well to attack and defend, but the other benefit is the guys going through the midfield, I can still help them with their running patterns and positioning.

“For a Nick Daicos this year, I have already done a fair bit of work with about when he is in the midfield, where we need him, what positions. I am always 20 metres away from him, so we can always have those conversations.”
 

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So sounds like a 50/50 mid/fwd split for De Goey this season. Well with that, the interrupted pre-season and the flog factor, that’s enough for me to start without him.

Think he really needs that close to full-time mid role to score the way he did during the back end of last season. Probably more likely to average around 90 as a mid/fwd.
 
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So sounds like a 50/50 mid/fwd split for De Goey this season. Well with that, the interrupted pre-season and the flog factor, that’s enough for me to start without him.

Think he really needs that close to full-time mid role to score the way he did during the back end of last season. Probably more likely to average around 90 as a mid/fwd.
Agree, biggest thing I took out of that article.
 
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DeGoey is the type of SC player like Drew Petrie, or Roughy at Hawks back in the day that is poor/avg for a few weeks that coaches looking to offload at first bubble. You mentally write them off -

Then they nail couple big scores, but you think "its a blip still not worth the "rollercoaster" im steering clear" but the 2 games turn into 6 games in a row avg 120 and theyre the top fwd and coaches who kept them are all tits n elbows for holding their nerve 🤣

- at some stage later in the year theyre top 6 fwd so you trade them in to flesh out your top fwds (or back in for those who started and ditched) - and no matter what you thought youd get theres way too many games they hit their current F6 average or under on the run home lol

Oh and when they go large and youre thinking "thats more like it" - they get an injury for a week haha 👍

Having said that DeGoey has hardly ever done a preseason at Pies, this year despite controversy his fitness levels are much higher.

Last year he hit consistency 108avg run home after his tank settled into the role - what i noticed was a huge improvement in his composure, space and timing. He really enjoyed being the link up so his running patterns were better, he was directing where he wanted the next possession blokes to lead into even getting frustrated when they had forgotten the drill/gameplan and he was far more effective than trying to burst explode away from stoppages over running the ball/trying to be evasive without first establishing control....

Once his legs get the run/pace of the new season he will be a solid midfielder in 2022 and dangerous up fwd
 
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‘A nice dynamic’: The four pillars of the Magpies’ new midfield

Collingwood’s new coaching panel is pushing to build a new midfield around four designated types of player that will be on constant rotation.

New coach Craig Macrae and midfield coach Brendon Bolton are determined to build depth in a blended midfield focused on getting a balance.

Under the new system, either Jordan De Goey or Jamie Elliott will be at every centre bounce with the other forward. Scott Pendlebury will be half-time at half-back, Brayden Maynard will start to play on-ball and Steele Sidebottom and Josh Daicos will be permanent wings.

Collingwood are weaning themselves off the reliance on Taylor Adams on the ball, meaning the midfielder will spend longer periods at half-forward.

“You think about these four categories of midfield players, and we want to build depth in those four categories,” Bolton said.

“They all provide a different sort of mix, so it puts a nice dynamic in there.”

The four midfield types Bolton outlined are:

The good decision-makers. Players such as Pendlebury, top draftee Nick Daicos, Jack Crisp and Maynard fit this description. “Really good with ball in hand and decision-making,” Bolton said. All will play half-back and midfield.

The explosive mid. This includes players such as De Goey and Elliott. Reef McInnes, who is yet to debut, is also this type of fast, big-bodied player.
“Elliott has played forward a lot. His engine is as good as it’s ever been, he’s had the best pre-season he has had. We know De Goey, so it’s more of a dynamic, explosive type player,” Bolton said.

Pendlebury added that both Elliott and De Goey would be in constant rotation on the ball.

“It’s a hard balance because they are so damaging in front of the ball,” Pendlebury said.

“They won’t feel as much as they have in the past where they are desperate to get in there because they can’t get in there. This year, ‘Bolts’ is pretty committed that one of them will always be in at the centre bounce, so they are not going to feel like, ‘I am not getting in there at all, I am really desperate’.

“They will work as a tag team and, hopefully, it works to our advantage.”

The inside bull. This is the strong-bodied clearance player with clean hands. Adams fits this category, while ruck Brodie Grundy played this role, too, Bolton said, because he was so strong in following up like an on-baller. Finn Macrae is also this type, a calm, elite ball user and a big body. At his size (193 centimetres), McInnes also straddles the line for this mould of big-bodied mid.

The running player. The fast outside mids, typically out on a wing, who can also pinch hit on-ball. Recruit Pat Lipinski is this quick, versatile, hard-running onballer. Sidebottom and Josh Daicos will play wings, while Will Hoskin-Elliott and John Noble are these types of outside, quick on-ballers.
Identifying these four types of midfielders is not re-inventing the game, but the Magpies are focused on striking a balance in the midfield.
“We want difference in there, we don’t want all inside or all outside mids, we want a nice mix and variety,” Bolton said.

“We have been giving them all opportunities through there, but the coaches have had an eye on those categories.
“You can get to a tipping point if you try to change the mix too much and too frequently and exposing the youngsters too quickly. That’s why those categories of players and the right mix is important. You need some strong bodies around them and you drip it over time to get more and more exposure in there.”

Pendlebury said the club had always had enough midfielders to play on-ball, but the emphasis had changed this year to getting players through there.

“With those four types, it’s having that awareness of yourself and others that are in there and bringing in each other’s strength,” Pendlebury said.

“What ‘Fly’ and Bolts have done by getting a lot of numbers through there is, it’s given us so many different looks, and we are not reliant on just a Taylor Adams in there and if Tay goes down, gee, who do we replace him with? There’s ‘Crispy’, ‘Bruz’ [Maynard], Finn Macrae, the Brown boys, Josh Daicos, Patty Lipinski. We all take our turns.”

Sidebottom stripped a lot of weight over the off-season by training hard on his own. His weight has re-stabilised, but he wanted to return to his best, hard-running game after his form dropped away badly last year.

Daicos had a breakout year in 2020 on a wing but was used last year on ball and as a half-forward.

“It’s probably getting back to letting Steele decide what he wants to do. He feels settled on the wing,” Pendlebury said.

“He’s been so settled this pre-season, every session he’s just out on a wing. He knows what he’s got to do, you know what you are going to get. Josh Daicos will take the other wing. He tried to play more inside last year but the strength of the guys going through the midfield allows him to go to the position [where] he plays his best football, out on a wing.”

Pendlebury’s move to half-back and Maynard’s on the ball is the most significant shift under the new coaching regime.
Both are elite in their first positions, so the danger is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

“The one thing we know about Maynard ... he is a real competitor, but he is a quality half-back flanker, so we are not going to throw it all out at once. But there will be opportunities to give guys a run through there. Primarily, he is still a defender, but he is a real bull and a good decision-maker,” Bolton said.
To teach Maynard to develop as an on-baller, Bolton looked to Roger Federer for help. He had the defender sit and watch videos of the Swiss tennis champion and asked him what he saw, other than an elegant backhand.

It was about Federer’s feet. Tennis is a game of quick response and constantly changing set-ups, and Federer was always on his toes.

Pendlebury said he enjoyed the shift to high half-back.

While the idea of the captain trailing around after a forward for the first time in his career seems unlikely, it is clearly predicated not on having him finish his career as a tagger, but in having the best ball-users off half-back.

“Playing high back, you are still attached to a lot of stoppages to help organise. It’s twofold: make sure we set up well to attack and defend, but the other benefit is the guys going through the midfield, I can still help them with their running patterns and positioning.

“For a Nick Daicos this year, I have already done a fair bit of work with about when he is in the midfield, where we need him, what positions. I am always 20 metres away from him, so we can always have those conversations.”
So when it comes to CBA:

1. Adams - 70%
2. De Goey - 70% (Elliot the other 30%)
3. Maynard/Crisp/Lipinski - 40% each
4. Pendlebury/Daicos - 5% each

So 130% gametime between 5 midfielders - Maynard, Crisp, Lipinski, Pendlebury, Daicos.

Maybe something like that. Not sure there is enough midfield minutes to make a Maynard pick work tbh.
 
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‘A nice dynamic’: The four pillars of the Magpies’ new midfield

Collingwood’s new coaching panel is pushing to build a new midfield around four designated types of player that will be on constant rotation.

New coach Craig Macrae and midfield coach Brendon Bolton are determined to build depth in a blended midfield focused on getting a balance.

Under the new system, either Jordan De Goey or Jamie Elliott will be at every centre bounce with the other forward. Scott Pendlebury will be half-time at half-back, Brayden Maynard will start to play on-ball and Steele Sidebottom and Josh Daicos will be permanent wings.

Collingwood are weaning themselves off the reliance on Taylor Adams on the ball, meaning the midfielder will spend longer periods at half-forward.

“You think about these four categories of midfield players, and we want to build depth in those four categories,” Bolton said.

“They all provide a different sort of mix, so it puts a nice dynamic in there.”

The four midfield types Bolton outlined are:

The good decision-makers. Players such as Pendlebury, top draftee Nick Daicos, Jack Crisp and Maynard fit this description. “Really good with ball in hand and decision-making,” Bolton said. All will play half-back and midfield.

The explosive mid. This includes players such as De Goey and Elliott. Reef McInnes, who is yet to debut, is also this type of fast, big-bodied player.
“Elliott has played forward a lot. His engine is as good as it’s ever been, he’s had the best pre-season he has had. We know De Goey, so it’s more of a dynamic, explosive type player,” Bolton said.

Pendlebury added that both Elliott and De Goey would be in constant rotation on the ball.

“It’s a hard balance because they are so damaging in front of the ball,” Pendlebury said.

“They won’t feel as much as they have in the past where they are desperate to get in there because they can’t get in there. This year, ‘Bolts’ is pretty committed that one of them will always be in at the centre bounce, so they are not going to feel like, ‘I am not getting in there at all, I am really desperate’.

“They will work as a tag team and, hopefully, it works to our advantage.”

The inside bull. This is the strong-bodied clearance player with clean hands. Adams fits this category, while ruck Brodie Grundy played this role, too, Bolton said, because he was so strong in following up like an on-baller. Finn Macrae is also this type, a calm, elite ball user and a big body. At his size (193 centimetres), McInnes also straddles the line for this mould of big-bodied mid.

The running player. The fast outside mids, typically out on a wing, who can also pinch hit on-ball. Recruit Pat Lipinski is this quick, versatile, hard-running onballer. Sidebottom and Josh Daicos will play wings, while Will Hoskin-Elliott and John Noble are these types of outside, quick on-ballers.
Identifying these four types of midfielders is not re-inventing the game, but the Magpies are focused on striking a balance in the midfield.
“We want difference in there, we don’t want all inside or all outside mids, we want a nice mix and variety,” Bolton said.

“We have been giving them all opportunities through there, but the coaches have had an eye on those categories.
“You can get to a tipping point if you try to change the mix too much and too frequently and exposing the youngsters too quickly. That’s why those categories of players and the right mix is important. You need some strong bodies around them and you drip it over time to get more and more exposure in there.”

Pendlebury said the club had always had enough midfielders to play on-ball, but the emphasis had changed this year to getting players through there.

“With those four types, it’s having that awareness of yourself and others that are in there and bringing in each other’s strength,” Pendlebury said.

“What ‘Fly’ and Bolts have done by getting a lot of numbers through there is, it’s given us so many different looks, and we are not reliant on just a Taylor Adams in there and if Tay goes down, gee, who do we replace him with? There’s ‘Crispy’, ‘Bruz’ [Maynard], Finn Macrae, the Brown boys, Josh Daicos, Patty Lipinski. We all take our turns.”

Sidebottom stripped a lot of weight over the off-season by training hard on his own. His weight has re-stabilised, but he wanted to return to his best, hard-running game after his form dropped away badly last year.

Daicos had a breakout year in 2020 on a wing but was used last year on ball and as a half-forward.

“It’s probably getting back to letting Steele decide what he wants to do. He feels settled on the wing,” Pendlebury said.

“He’s been so settled this pre-season, every session he’s just out on a wing. He knows what he’s got to do, you know what you are going to get. Josh Daicos will take the other wing. He tried to play more inside last year but the strength of the guys going through the midfield allows him to go to the position [where] he plays his best football, out on a wing.”

Pendlebury’s move to half-back and Maynard’s on the ball is the most significant shift under the new coaching regime.
Both are elite in their first positions, so the danger is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

“The one thing we know about Maynard ... he is a real competitor, but he is a quality half-back flanker, so we are not going to throw it all out at once. But there will be opportunities to give guys a run through there. Primarily, he is still a defender, but he is a real bull and a good decision-maker,” Bolton said.
To teach Maynard to develop as an on-baller, Bolton looked to Roger Federer for help. He had the defender sit and watch videos of the Swiss tennis champion and asked him what he saw, other than an elegant backhand.

It was about Federer’s feet. Tennis is a game of quick response and constantly changing set-ups, and Federer was always on his toes.

Pendlebury said he enjoyed the shift to high half-back.

While the idea of the captain trailing around after a forward for the first time in his career seems unlikely, it is clearly predicated not on having him finish his career as a tagger, but in having the best ball-users off half-back.

“Playing high back, you are still attached to a lot of stoppages to help organise. It’s twofold: make sure we set up well to attack and defend, but the other benefit is the guys going through the midfield, I can still help them with their running patterns and positioning.

“For a Nick Daicos this year, I have already done a fair bit of work with about when he is in the midfield, where we need him, what positions. I am always 20 metres away from him, so we can always have those conversations.”
De Goey wasn't really "explosive" at all as a midfielder last season. I owned him for the last seven or so rounds and watched him carefully, most of his possessions were loose out in space, often shortish kicks and handballs and not much bursting out of contests at all. Dunno who wrote the article but "explosive" wouldn't describe his game last season.
 
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So sounds like a 50/50 mid/fwd split for De Goey this season. Well with that, the interrupted pre-season and the flog factor, that’s enough for me to start without him.

Think he really needs that close to full-time mid role to score the way he did during the back end of last season. Probably more likely to average around 90 as a mid/fwd.
Rules out Lipinski as a smokey stepping stone for me as well. Wing probably not enough.
 
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