Discussion 2022 AFL: Practice Matches & AAMI Community Series Discussion
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Swans vs Giants
General - I only watched the first 2 periods because it genuinely was filmed on a potato and was a) painful to watch and b) really hard to distinguish anything that was happening. Really solid intensity to the game, both teams hitting in nice and hard. Nothing really stood out tactically, Giants still really committed to trying to go over the top, Swans kicked long a lot but tried to go short when in control, aka same as last year for both sides really. I've intentionally avoided the thread so if there are injuries I'm not aware of then put lines through anyone!
CBA
Take these with a grain of salt as really hard to tell guys apart, Hopper might actually be Green, I don't know
Swans
Warner - 9
Parker - 11
Heeney - 10
Stephens - 1
Florent - 4
Gulden - 1
Rowbottom - 2
McInerney - 1
Giants
Taranto - 6
Hopper - 3?
Coniglio - 8
Ward - 9
Kelly - 4
Green - 5
Ash - 3
Hill - 1
Kick-Ins
Sydney
Lloyd - 3
Campbell - 3
Blakey - 1
Giants
Whitfield - 3
Perryman - 1
Couldn't tell - The rest(think Perryman and Whitfield though)
Swans - Firsts, off had a very clear kick in strategy, happy to wait for one of Campbell or Lloyd to take them every time except when Blakey took a quick one as the only man near it and a lot of space (was a quick empty 50 play by Giants). Midfield also basically had 1-2 of Heeney/Parker/Warner in at all times. Seemed those are the main 3 mids with Mills out and everyone else would basically fall out with him there. Already covered style above, weren't good, weren't terrible.
Only going to do players I think are relevant here as again it was hard to really tell what was happening for large parts...
Warner - Heavy midfield minutes and was one of the Swans' best for sure, love the way he attacks everything at pace. Mid only kills him but could have a big season if the role holds up, which it should, he's already better and has a ton more potential than Florent/Rowbottom.
McLean - I don't think he's relevant but seen a couple mention him so will include. Played forward as 2nd KPF rotating with McDonald off the bench I believe, didn't notice either ruck. Pretty even battle between the two.
Stephens - Wing role, think he started far wing but honestly looked like a little blurred red ant over there and might have been someone else. Did a couple of nice things, sweeping backwards mostly. A tick for a half, role was good.
Heeney - Pure midfield role and was really good, best couple of clearance players but the real standout was around the ground, reckon he'd have had 5 marks just working as a target for the defenders and other mids. Disposal wasn't great but not a concern of mine as it normally is very good. Big tick.
Papley - Not relevant himself but did a hamstring very early in the first, no idea severity but not a great sign, could open a fool's gold spot at the bottom of the bench if out for round 1 so be careful.
Kennedy - Looks set for a DPP change to defense, played HB the entire half from what I could tell and looked really decent. Could hurt Lloyd but more than likely will help him as Kennedy loves to hit short sideways passes and we all know Lloyd loves to be on the end of those. Will be an interesting role for him, not sure he has the pace for a lot of players but I guess he has size.
Campbell - Starting in defense, took a few kick-ins, was a general target in play. Not prolific enough to demand a spot at his price but he's such a quality ball user we will channel to him at least a bit. Looked really good.
Ladhams - Was solid, forward and 2nd ruck as expected. Remains only relevant if Hickey was injured and as he destroys Hickey as a pick.
Gulden - Really solid HF/Wing role for him, needs more pure mid to be fantasy relevant for mine but would think he pushes mid 80s this year.
Blakey - Defense as expected, big 1st quarter, much quieter in the 2nd. Looks good with the ball and did some good defensive things. He probably hurts Lloyd more than anyone as he is going to tuck and run at all times.
Parker - Pure mid, resting forward, pretty standard for him. Looks good.
McInerney - Wing role for him, was solid but not demanding selection. Worth an eye next week though as has some sloot traits that could lead to good scoring.
Hickey - Knee scare early but came back on and looked fine. Was actually really good.
P. McCartin - Was legitimately great. Would have had 5 intercept marks I reckon, although possible a couple were his brother as they look very similar when compressed into about 8 pixels each... Used it well and was just really comfortable. Great sign as we played a best 22 the first half and he was in it and stood out. Could be a very handy pick if he's there round one, young enough to be invested in by Sydney so should get a good chance at it.
Lloyd - Same old. Campbell and Kennedy I don't mind, they'll hit short targets and open angles for Lloyd, Blakey was there last year and doesn't help but isn't a high volume guy. The midfield being a bit subpar, especially if Mills is out for any kind of extended period, should lead to plenty of supply.
Giants - Were harder for the most part and looked really good in defense and for perhaps the first time ever they genuinely looked good moving out of defense and finding forward targets. Would have to think they were delighted by the half.
Hopper - I think it was him at the start but didn't see him after about midway through the first if it was, again it was a big pasty guy so could be Green also. Nothing of note.
Coniglio - Probably best on ground in the half I watched, pure midfield in Q1, 70/30 midfield forward in Q2 from what I could tell but was so good up forward it probably helped him. Looks in ripping nick and was just great to see. Absolute lock and anyone not starting him is just being silly for the sake of it. He might fail but on that form/role you just can't be taking him on as he's a legitimate premium chance. First 100% lock in my side assuming he makes it to round 1.
Whitfield - Basically think of what Lloyd's always done at Sydney and this was his role. HB absent an opponent and just skulking around, pushing up behind the pack for receives. Looked terrific and is the role he scored his absolute peak in. Big tick.
Ash - Strong wing and then inside mid role and did some nice things. I'm not brave enough but wouldn't knock anyone who was, he's a little sloot.
Ward - Big midfield role, I can't be certain but he basically appeared when I stopped seeing Hopper (maybe) so not sure how to read that. Didn't do much of note.
Angwin - I want to say he came on in the 2nd quarter but honestly the way the camera was positioned and the quality he might have been there earlier, I thought he was Bruhn at first before finally working out who he was and why Bruhn kept going to his left. Did a couple of nice things, they also had a strong team picked so at least in the mix for round one.
Preuss - Did not play in the first half unless I completely missed it.
Green - Nothing special, same old for him. There's a star but I'm not sure it's just there yet.
Cumming - Similar role to last year, may have been a bit more wing than last year but looked good.
Taranto - Strong midfield role in Q1, strong forward role in Q2, I believe 5/6 CBA were Q1. Was still playing a more high HF role than genuine FF role when forward and, like Coniglio, may have actually had more impact when forward. Still can't kick but between his own role and, perhaps more importantly, the performance of other forwards, he actually reduced a lot of my concerns on him. I still think disposal probably caps him at 105 no matter what but I'd been fairly down on him and I have to say he definitely put his name on my absurdly long list of options up forward. Big tick.
Haynes - Started down back, came off midway through the 2nd, didn't notice an injury but straight to the back of the bench and didn't see him again, I think it was just a minutes limit. Was solid but I don't think he's overly relevant.
Aleer - Think too many ahead of him, came on when Haynes went off, but he's going to be fun, leaps at EVERYTHING.
Kelly - Started wing, got a few midfield rotations. That 105-115 range type of role he's been stuck in the past couple of years. Was really solid though but think he's further from the 125+ role I'd need to pick him than he was last year.
Hogan - Probably the quietest of their forwards, that's a good sign.
De Boer - Was forward all game from what I could tell, not that you'd expect a tag in preseason.
Riccardi - The other guy that was best on ground, relentless leading and marking, genuinely Nick Riewoldt like workrate from him, doesn't have the wheels he had but was great to see up and back to provide the CHF target. That can be huge as allows Hogan to stay home and Greene/Taranto/Coniglio to roam instead of being full forwards. Great game and sign.
Flynn - #1 ruck and was serviceable. Definitely didn't do anything to slam the debate door shut but always a good place to be in the lead.
O'Halloran - Pretty strong wing role, didn't score much though.
Perryman - Backline also and looks to get ball when he can. I do worry that Perryman, Cumming and Whitfield might just undermine each other down back.
Can comment on others if wanted but these were the only guys I think were worth comment for fantasy purposes!
General - I only watched the first 2 periods because it genuinely was filmed on a potato and was a) painful to watch and b) really hard to distinguish anything that was happening. Really solid intensity to the game, both teams hitting in nice and hard. Nothing really stood out tactically, Giants still really committed to trying to go over the top, Swans kicked long a lot but tried to go short when in control, aka same as last year for both sides really. I've intentionally avoided the thread so if there are injuries I'm not aware of then put lines through anyone!
CBA
Take these with a grain of salt as really hard to tell guys apart, Hopper might actually be Green, I don't know
Swans
Warner - 9
Parker - 11
Heeney - 10
Stephens - 1
Florent - 4
Gulden - 1
Rowbottom - 2
McInerney - 1
Giants
Taranto - 6
Hopper - 3?
Coniglio - 8
Ward - 9
Kelly - 4
Green - 5
Ash - 3
Hill - 1
Kick-Ins
Sydney
Lloyd - 3
Campbell - 3
Blakey - 1
Giants
Whitfield - 3
Perryman - 1
Couldn't tell - The rest(think Perryman and Whitfield though)
Swans - Firsts, off had a very clear kick in strategy, happy to wait for one of Campbell or Lloyd to take them every time except when Blakey took a quick one as the only man near it and a lot of space (was a quick empty 50 play by Giants). Midfield also basically had 1-2 of Heeney/Parker/Warner in at all times. Seemed those are the main 3 mids with Mills out and everyone else would basically fall out with him there. Already covered style above, weren't good, weren't terrible.
Only going to do players I think are relevant here as again it was hard to really tell what was happening for large parts...
Warner - Heavy midfield minutes and was one of the Swans' best for sure, love the way he attacks everything at pace. Mid only kills him but could have a big season if the role holds up, which it should, he's already better and has a ton more potential than Florent/Rowbottom.
McLean - I don't think he's relevant but seen a couple mention him so will include. Played forward as 2nd KPF rotating with McDonald off the bench I believe, didn't notice either ruck. Pretty even battle between the two.
Stephens - Wing role, think he started far wing but honestly looked like a little blurred red ant over there and might have been someone else. Did a couple of nice things, sweeping backwards mostly. A tick for a half, role was good.
Heeney - Pure midfield role and was really good, best couple of clearance players but the real standout was around the ground, reckon he'd have had 5 marks just working as a target for the defenders and other mids. Disposal wasn't great but not a concern of mine as it normally is very good. Big tick.
Papley - Not relevant himself but did a hamstring very early in the first, no idea severity but not a great sign, could open a fool's gold spot at the bottom of the bench if out for round 1 so be careful.
Kennedy - Looks set for a DPP change to defense, played HB the entire half from what I could tell and looked really decent. Could hurt Lloyd but more than likely will help him as Kennedy loves to hit short sideways passes and we all know Lloyd loves to be on the end of those. Will be an interesting role for him, not sure he has the pace for a lot of players but I guess he has size.
Campbell - Starting in defense, took a few kick-ins, was a general target in play. Not prolific enough to demand a spot at his price but he's such a quality ball user we will channel to him at least a bit. Looked really good.
Ladhams - Was solid, forward and 2nd ruck as expected. Remains only relevant if Hickey was injured and as he destroys Hickey as a pick.
Gulden - Really solid HF/Wing role for him, needs more pure mid to be fantasy relevant for mine but would think he pushes mid 80s this year.
Blakey - Defense as expected, big 1st quarter, much quieter in the 2nd. Looks good with the ball and did some good defensive things. He probably hurts Lloyd more than anyone as he is going to tuck and run at all times.
Parker - Pure mid, resting forward, pretty standard for him. Looks good.
McInerney - Wing role for him, was solid but not demanding selection. Worth an eye next week though as has some sloot traits that could lead to good scoring.
Hickey - Knee scare early but came back on and looked fine. Was actually really good.
P. McCartin - Was legitimately great. Would have had 5 intercept marks I reckon, although possible a couple were his brother as they look very similar when compressed into about 8 pixels each... Used it well and was just really comfortable. Great sign as we played a best 22 the first half and he was in it and stood out. Could be a very handy pick if he's there round one, young enough to be invested in by Sydney so should get a good chance at it.
Lloyd - Same old. Campbell and Kennedy I don't mind, they'll hit short targets and open angles for Lloyd, Blakey was there last year and doesn't help but isn't a high volume guy. The midfield being a bit subpar, especially if Mills is out for any kind of extended period, should lead to plenty of supply.
Giants - Were harder for the most part and looked really good in defense and for perhaps the first time ever they genuinely looked good moving out of defense and finding forward targets. Would have to think they were delighted by the half.
Hopper - I think it was him at the start but didn't see him after about midway through the first if it was, again it was a big pasty guy so could be Green also. Nothing of note.
Coniglio - Probably best on ground in the half I watched, pure midfield in Q1, 70/30 midfield forward in Q2 from what I could tell but was so good up forward it probably helped him. Looks in ripping nick and was just great to see. Absolute lock and anyone not starting him is just being silly for the sake of it. He might fail but on that form/role you just can't be taking him on as he's a legitimate premium chance. First 100% lock in my side assuming he makes it to round 1.
Whitfield - Basically think of what Lloyd's always done at Sydney and this was his role. HB absent an opponent and just skulking around, pushing up behind the pack for receives. Looked terrific and is the role he scored his absolute peak in. Big tick.
Ash - Strong wing and then inside mid role and did some nice things. I'm not brave enough but wouldn't knock anyone who was, he's a little sloot.
Ward - Big midfield role, I can't be certain but he basically appeared when I stopped seeing Hopper (maybe) so not sure how to read that. Didn't do much of note.
Angwin - I want to say he came on in the 2nd quarter but honestly the way the camera was positioned and the quality he might have been there earlier, I thought he was Bruhn at first before finally working out who he was and why Bruhn kept going to his left. Did a couple of nice things, they also had a strong team picked so at least in the mix for round one.
Preuss - Did not play in the first half unless I completely missed it.
Green - Nothing special, same old for him. There's a star but I'm not sure it's just there yet.
Cumming - Similar role to last year, may have been a bit more wing than last year but looked good.
Taranto - Strong midfield role in Q1, strong forward role in Q2, I believe 5/6 CBA were Q1. Was still playing a more high HF role than genuine FF role when forward and, like Coniglio, may have actually had more impact when forward. Still can't kick but between his own role and, perhaps more importantly, the performance of other forwards, he actually reduced a lot of my concerns on him. I still think disposal probably caps him at 105 no matter what but I'd been fairly down on him and I have to say he definitely put his name on my absurdly long list of options up forward. Big tick.
Haynes - Started down back, came off midway through the 2nd, didn't notice an injury but straight to the back of the bench and didn't see him again, I think it was just a minutes limit. Was solid but I don't think he's overly relevant.
Aleer - Think too many ahead of him, came on when Haynes went off, but he's going to be fun, leaps at EVERYTHING.
Kelly - Started wing, got a few midfield rotations. That 105-115 range type of role he's been stuck in the past couple of years. Was really solid though but think he's further from the 125+ role I'd need to pick him than he was last year.
Hogan - Probably the quietest of their forwards, that's a good sign.
De Boer - Was forward all game from what I could tell, not that you'd expect a tag in preseason.
Riccardi - The other guy that was best on ground, relentless leading and marking, genuinely Nick Riewoldt like workrate from him, doesn't have the wheels he had but was great to see up and back to provide the CHF target. That can be huge as allows Hogan to stay home and Greene/Taranto/Coniglio to roam instead of being full forwards. Great game and sign.
Flynn - #1 ruck and was serviceable. Definitely didn't do anything to slam the debate door shut but always a good place to be in the lead.
O'Halloran - Pretty strong wing role, didn't score much though.
Perryman - Backline also and looks to get ball when he can. I do worry that Perryman, Cumming and Whitfield might just undermine each other down back.
Can comment on others if wanted but these were the only guys I think were worth comment for fantasy purposes!
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