Discussion 2022 AFL: Practice Matches & AAMI Community Series Discussion
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Hawks vs Tigers
General - Watched 3 quarters, honestly it was pretty ordinary footy and with Sam Mitchell making an early entry for the SC community most hated it was a pretty worthless game for information, imo. To the teams credit they both went pretty hard but the Hawks have to be worried after that.
Hawks - Mitchell making enemies by leaving out O'Meara and Mitchell and half the half backs to give us two cents of sweet FA when it comes to information. The positives, they went hard and hit in. The negatives is basically everything else, I mean the Tigers where yellow as well but that's not really a reason to keep giving them the ball
Not seen SC scores again.
Nash - File under case one of I know nothing, his role was really good, basically the 4th midfielder but does that hold up and become 6th or what when O'Meara and Titch are back? He tackled well and looked like the end of last year. I think he's fantasy relevant in this role but if it falls off even slightly it's over. Just impossible to know.
Phillips/Shiels - Pure wing, in the 3/4 I watched Phillips was basically a constant, Shiels the other wing for the first half. Not relevant other than having two senior guys eating all those wing rotations is pretty bad for a couple of the younger guys. By my count, Gunston was the only other guy to play wing at all while those two were out there and it was for a 5 minute stint in the 2nd.
Ward - The standout but like Nash it's so incredibly hard to read anything from it. The positives is there's more than a little bit of Zach Merrett in him, sneaky little left foot, good in the contest, good composure. Just a really good young player. Honestly, I'd be giving him rotations ahead of O'Meara and Worpel for sure based on this game, he's got way more class than either of them could dream of already and was one of the only Hawks who seemed to realise what colour his teammates were wearing. The negative is that he played a pure inside mid role that, most likely, doesn't exist with O'Meara and Mitchell also to take that role. He was solid last week off HB but that's got even less openings at the Hawks. I'd be positively shocked if he doesn't play but I do have concerns of how he gets the role to score huge other than beating out senior guys which he might be capable of. Not dissimilar to Gulden last year though as a prospect for mine, very similar type so if he an get the role he'll make a lot of cash.
Worpel - I just don't rate him. Can't question the effort but he's just so poor with the ball, only really mentioning it because it's good for Ward to have weaker players in his path.
Scrimshaw - Took a few kick-ins and was probably the main rebounder alongside Sicily to my eye. Like the mids, when half the guys aren't playing what can you even know?
Newcombe - He was scrappy today after his huge game last week but I thought still a bit better than Worpel. Another who could be in Ward's way but Ward has more class which is always a good point of difference.
Sicily - Looking at the TOG I'm guessing he didn't play much of the 4th as he seemed to be out there basically the whole first 3 quarters. He was solid but not dominating kick-ins and was definitely stuck in a KPD role that was more difficult to zone off of than you'd like, admittedly Tigers played 3 genuine KPF targets and had super low pressured entries for the most part which makes it hard. One thing that does look good is that there is going to be a LOT of supply for him down back. I don't think anything's changed here, I don't think he's a must have and reckon a 105 season would be a big effort but a 95 season is a good bet and would probably work, it really comes down to whether a D6 aim is good value at his price, I'd wager you'll get similar or better options in season at that price. One of those if you want him you saw enough and if you don't you saw enough I imagine.
Wingard - Played mostly forward with very limited midfield rotations. Given who was out, that's a fork for him for me.
Hardwick - The other guy zoning a bit and taking some kick-ins, as said with Sic, I think the Hawks backline is what we expect it to be. High supply is very likely but too many chefs.
Morrison - Down back again, I don't see where he fits when everyone is playing though.
Macdonald - He scored better than I expect, may have junked in Q4? His role was actually a solid one, playing HF, I'd say it was a medium high role rather than genuine high HF (Wingard more in that role). He did some nice things but also a few rookie things, the big standout was when he didn't have the courage to take an advantage that would have almost certainly led to a shot at goal for the team and the slow play ended up with a turnover that the Tigers goaled from, just didn't look confident to take it and you just need to back that in as the type of player he is. Did some nice things though and at his price if he's playing he's probably worth a bench spot in this year's rookie crop but I have doubts if he makes it. I'd think that the likely path is O'Meara and Titch come in and push everyone down a rung which means that Ward/Worpel/Nash push Mac right out of the side. Fingers crossed though.
Lynch - Didn't come on until the 3rd, I didn't notice most of his score as a result so can't really comment, Reeves score was shockingly bad to me as I thought he played well.
Maginness - Played HB and I just can't see how he's in the side given that, it's the absolute last role you want to see a rookie playing for the Hawks with Impey, Jiath, Day and Bramble all not playing and all definitely best 22 in that role. He wasn't bad but you want to see kids playing a role they've got any chance at all of actually playing, seeing them holding down someone else's spot is never a good sign.
McEvoy - Forward first half, went to FB second half. I thought Kosi was good in the 3rd and is a better forward than McEvoy. I don't really know where he fits to be honest.
DGB - Just doesn't seem to have the confidence right now to go for it, which means at his price he's not relevant.
Tigers - Took care of business, looked pretty good doing it. They'd probably like their pressure rate a bit higher but if the opponent is going to keep giving it to you in dangerous places without having to pressure in the preseason I guess why would you? Strong side that lined up as expected to me.
Short - He's the one I'd love to know if there was serious junk going on as I thought he was quiet through the 3/4 I watched Took kick-ins when he was near and role is as we expect. He's what we know him to be.
Baker - Playing forward, was really good again, basically playing himself out of better positions where he might be relevant
Balta - Playing forward and 2nd ruck, even with Soldo/Nank both playing they found some rotations for him. Looked genuinely good up forward.
Nank - Too much Soldo for my liking but a strong game again.
Rioli - This suggest to me there was some serious Q4 junk as he also was pretty unsighted through 3/4 or I completely missed a guy I was watching for. Couple of ordinary kicks but otherwise was rock solid.
Broad - Rock solid again, was probably their best defender in the 1st half.
Ralphsmith - Was better than Rioli on the rebound to my eye through the 3/4 I watched so I'm guessing that he got some but not as much junk? Would think he's done enough to play himself into the side for as long as Vlastuin is missing and it will be a battle for them to survive.
Martin - Role was nowhere near as good as last week, the more traditional take the CBA and then push forward all game, wasn't as deep forward as past years but he's just a bit limited when he's not at the stoppages winning clearances as that's his weapon. I still think he's a safe 95+ bet and his role is better simply because of Balta releasing him from being a defacto KPF but as good as his role was last week it was tempered this week. Strong pick but not a must have with that role. Good value though still and the safe coaches should just lock him in.
Aarts - Really strong role, midfield rotations for him. Not sure why they've gone with him for the role but he has it and it's his to lose I guess. Draft league relevant I reckon in that role.
Gibcus - Another really solid game, it's an interesting mix but realistically all of Broad, Grimes and Gibcus have shown an ability to play big or small, might be some concerns against teams with two genuine gorillas but that's basically the Cats, Melbourne and the Tigers themselves so just a couple of threats. I think he'll play plenty of footy, would be odd to spend the entire preseason just to not play him. Still think he can put up a solid 65 average and a few 90s to spike. One of those I'd rather not pay the premium types but I think his JS is going to be among the best for the rookies (crop is looking weak to me) and his scoring potential is mid tier, he's a looped bench type though as think that 65 type is going to be 90 and 40s quite often!
Bolton - Forward again, couple of CB but that's it. Like Wingard, a fork for me given the other options.
General - Watched 3 quarters, honestly it was pretty ordinary footy and with Sam Mitchell making an early entry for the SC community most hated it was a pretty worthless game for information, imo. To the teams credit they both went pretty hard but the Hawks have to be worried after that.
Hawks - Mitchell making enemies by leaving out O'Meara and Mitchell and half the half backs to give us two cents of sweet FA when it comes to information. The positives, they went hard and hit in. The negatives is basically everything else, I mean the Tigers where yellow as well but that's not really a reason to keep giving them the ball
Not seen SC scores again.
Nash - File under case one of I know nothing, his role was really good, basically the 4th midfielder but does that hold up and become 6th or what when O'Meara and Titch are back? He tackled well and looked like the end of last year. I think he's fantasy relevant in this role but if it falls off even slightly it's over. Just impossible to know.
Phillips/Shiels - Pure wing, in the 3/4 I watched Phillips was basically a constant, Shiels the other wing for the first half. Not relevant other than having two senior guys eating all those wing rotations is pretty bad for a couple of the younger guys. By my count, Gunston was the only other guy to play wing at all while those two were out there and it was for a 5 minute stint in the 2nd.
Ward - The standout but like Nash it's so incredibly hard to read anything from it. The positives is there's more than a little bit of Zach Merrett in him, sneaky little left foot, good in the contest, good composure. Just a really good young player. Honestly, I'd be giving him rotations ahead of O'Meara and Worpel for sure based on this game, he's got way more class than either of them could dream of already and was one of the only Hawks who seemed to realise what colour his teammates were wearing. The negative is that he played a pure inside mid role that, most likely, doesn't exist with O'Meara and Mitchell also to take that role. He was solid last week off HB but that's got even less openings at the Hawks. I'd be positively shocked if he doesn't play but I do have concerns of how he gets the role to score huge other than beating out senior guys which he might be capable of. Not dissimilar to Gulden last year though as a prospect for mine, very similar type so if he an get the role he'll make a lot of cash.
Worpel - I just don't rate him. Can't question the effort but he's just so poor with the ball, only really mentioning it because it's good for Ward to have weaker players in his path.
Scrimshaw - Took a few kick-ins and was probably the main rebounder alongside Sicily to my eye. Like the mids, when half the guys aren't playing what can you even know?
Newcombe - He was scrappy today after his huge game last week but I thought still a bit better than Worpel. Another who could be in Ward's way but Ward has more class which is always a good point of difference.
Sicily - Looking at the TOG I'm guessing he didn't play much of the 4th as he seemed to be out there basically the whole first 3 quarters. He was solid but not dominating kick-ins and was definitely stuck in a KPD role that was more difficult to zone off of than you'd like, admittedly Tigers played 3 genuine KPF targets and had super low pressured entries for the most part which makes it hard. One thing that does look good is that there is going to be a LOT of supply for him down back. I don't think anything's changed here, I don't think he's a must have and reckon a 105 season would be a big effort but a 95 season is a good bet and would probably work, it really comes down to whether a D6 aim is good value at his price, I'd wager you'll get similar or better options in season at that price. One of those if you want him you saw enough and if you don't you saw enough I imagine.
Wingard - Played mostly forward with very limited midfield rotations. Given who was out, that's a fork for him for me.
Hardwick - The other guy zoning a bit and taking some kick-ins, as said with Sic, I think the Hawks backline is what we expect it to be. High supply is very likely but too many chefs.
Morrison - Down back again, I don't see where he fits when everyone is playing though.
Macdonald - He scored better than I expect, may have junked in Q4? His role was actually a solid one, playing HF, I'd say it was a medium high role rather than genuine high HF (Wingard more in that role). He did some nice things but also a few rookie things, the big standout was when he didn't have the courage to take an advantage that would have almost certainly led to a shot at goal for the team and the slow play ended up with a turnover that the Tigers goaled from, just didn't look confident to take it and you just need to back that in as the type of player he is. Did some nice things though and at his price if he's playing he's probably worth a bench spot in this year's rookie crop but I have doubts if he makes it. I'd think that the likely path is O'Meara and Titch come in and push everyone down a rung which means that Ward/Worpel/Nash push Mac right out of the side. Fingers crossed though.
Lynch - Didn't come on until the 3rd, I didn't notice most of his score as a result so can't really comment, Reeves score was shockingly bad to me as I thought he played well.
Maginness - Played HB and I just can't see how he's in the side given that, it's the absolute last role you want to see a rookie playing for the Hawks with Impey, Jiath, Day and Bramble all not playing and all definitely best 22 in that role. He wasn't bad but you want to see kids playing a role they've got any chance at all of actually playing, seeing them holding down someone else's spot is never a good sign.
McEvoy - Forward first half, went to FB second half. I thought Kosi was good in the 3rd and is a better forward than McEvoy. I don't really know where he fits to be honest.
DGB - Just doesn't seem to have the confidence right now to go for it, which means at his price he's not relevant.
Tigers - Took care of business, looked pretty good doing it. They'd probably like their pressure rate a bit higher but if the opponent is going to keep giving it to you in dangerous places without having to pressure in the preseason I guess why would you? Strong side that lined up as expected to me.
Short - He's the one I'd love to know if there was serious junk going on as I thought he was quiet through the 3/4 I watched
Took kick-ins when he was near and role is as we expect. He's what we know him to be.Baker - Playing forward, was really good again, basically playing himself out of better positions where he might be relevant
Balta - Playing forward and 2nd ruck, even with Soldo/Nank both playing they found some rotations for him. Looked genuinely good up forward.
Nank - Too much Soldo for my liking but a strong game again.
Rioli - This suggest to me there was some serious Q4 junk as he also was pretty unsighted through 3/4 or I completely missed a guy I was watching for. Couple of ordinary kicks but otherwise was rock solid.
Broad - Rock solid again, was probably their best defender in the 1st half.
Ralphsmith - Was better than Rioli on the rebound to my eye through the 3/4 I watched so I'm guessing that he got some but not as much junk? Would think he's done enough to play himself into the side for as long as Vlastuin is missing and it will be a battle for them to survive.
Martin - Role was nowhere near as good as last week, the more traditional take the CBA and then push forward all game, wasn't as deep forward as past years but he's just a bit limited when he's not at the stoppages winning clearances as that's his weapon. I still think he's a safe 95+ bet and his role is better simply because of Balta releasing him from being a defacto KPF but as good as his role was last week it was tempered this week. Strong pick but not a must have with that role. Good value though still and the safe coaches should just lock him in.
Aarts - Really strong role, midfield rotations for him. Not sure why they've gone with him for the role but he has it and it's his to lose I guess. Draft league relevant I reckon in that role.
Gibcus - Another really solid game, it's an interesting mix but realistically all of Broad, Grimes and Gibcus have shown an ability to play big or small, might be some concerns against teams with two genuine gorillas but that's basically the Cats, Melbourne and the Tigers themselves so just a couple of threats. I think he'll play plenty of footy, would be odd to spend the entire preseason just to not play him. Still think he can put up a solid 65 average and a few 90s to spike. One of those I'd rather not pay the premium types but I think his JS is going to be among the best for the rookies (crop is looking weak to me) and his scoring potential is mid tier, he's a looped bench type though as think that 65 type is going to be 90 and 40s quite often!
Bolton - Forward again, couple of CB but that's it. Like Wingard, a fork for me given the other options.
Wasn't aware that Mitchell has a groin issue, was it already widely out there?
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