Discussion 2022: Rookie Discussion

[Connoisseur]

The Will Brodie situation probably needs to be carefully monitored. Not going to lie, I rate him so highly, I strongly considered starting him 2 years ago at $400k+, unfortunately he just never received the midfield minutes to become a true premium (his SC per minute ratio rivalled the best midfielders in the comp).

2 years later he's just over 200k with forward eligibility...

If he get any decent midfield role he will easily justify his price tag IMO.

Currently, it appears that their primary midfield rotation consists of (1) Fyfe (2) Mundy (3) Brayshaw (4) Serong. With Fyfe playing some forward minutes and Mundy having marginally less game time in general given his age, surely they can fit in a part-time midfielder in Brodie? Could be something like Brayshaw 80% TOG (60% inside mid - 20% wing), Fyfe 80% TOG (60% inside mid - 20% forward), Mundy 70% TOG (70% inside mid), Serong 75% TOG (75% inside mid).

This leaves Brodie with potentially 70% TOG (45% inside mid, 25% somewhere else). Is this achievable?

Any thoughts/insight Freo supporters can provide?

https://dreamteamtalk.com/2022/01/19/collingwood-essendon-fremantle-cba-analysis/
Top centre bounce attendees
Serong 71%
Darcy 70%
Fyfe 67%
Mundy 65%
Brayshaw 61%
Meek 55%
Cerra 46%

Justin Longmuir clearly favoured a restricted centre bounce group in 2021. If that continues into this season then we can expect a big role change or debut season for one or two players at Freo in 2022. That’s because Adam Cerra has moved to the promised land at Carlton and his 46% CBAs have to go somewhere. It’s also likely that Fyfe will have a delayed start to the year and Mundy isn’t getting any younger.

In my mind, the two main candidates to fill the holes are Darcy Tucker or new-face Will Brodie. The other options, and potential cash-cows, would be the untried Luke Valente (if he does actually exist), Nathan O’Driscoll, or 2021 draftees Neil Erasmus and Matt Johnson. Or could Blake Acres or Connor Blakely finally show that they are quality AFL players and not just fantasy teases?

 

[scarfaceclaw]

Luke Valente retired a couple of months ago.

 

[freowho]

https://dreamteamtalk.com/2022/01/19/collingwood-essendon-fremantle-cba-analysis/
Top centre bounce attendees
Serong 71%
Darcy 70%
Fyfe 67%
Mundy 65%
Brayshaw 61%
Meek 55%
Cerra 46%

Justin Longmuir clearly favoured a restricted centre bounce group in 2021. If that continues into this season then we can expect a big role change or debut season for one or two players at Freo in 2022. That’s because Adam Cerra has moved to the promised land at Carlton and his 46% CBAs have to go somewhere. It’s also likely that Fyfe will have a delayed start to the year and Mundy isn’t getting any younger.

In my mind, the two main candidates to fill the holes are Darcy Tucker or new-face Will Brodie. The other options, and potential cash-cows, would be the untried Luke Valente (if he does actually exist), Nathan O’Driscoll, or 2021 draftees Neil Erasmus and Matt Johnson. Or could Blake Acres or Connor Blakely finally show that they are quality AFL players and not just fantasy teases?

Valente retired. They tried to get rid of Blakely but no one wanted him. Tucker will be in there if he stays on the park. Brodie will be given a chance but JLo made it clear he needed a second string to his bow and that will decide if he stays in the team.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Just an update to the Ralphsmith discussion:
Out of VFL yesterday,Stack & Pickett played on wings. Also

"Rhyan Mansell’s second half would have helped increase the comfort levels of Brown, with the flint-hard defender unflinching in the air, both at the ball and man.
Mansell helped stem the flow of the Hawks run-on and then got the game played back on Richmond’s terms after half-time"

This is gunna be interesting at selection

I think this above answers al number of questions around Rioli and Ralphsmith in that JS may be an issues with so many good options for that role. It’ll be interesting as I think it’s a role though that needs some consistency in game time as it’s crucial for all teams, interesting to see how it all pans out but I think I’ll give it a wide berth.

The Will Brodie situation probably needs to be carefully monitored. Not going to lie, I rate him so highly, I strongly considered starting him 2 years ago at $400k+, unfortunately he just never received the midfield minutes to become a true premium (his SC per minute ratio rivalled the best midfielders in the comp).

2 years later he's just over 200k with forward eligibility...

If he get any decent midfield role he will easily justify his price tag IMO.

Currently, it appears that their primary midfield rotation consists of (1) Fyfe (2) Mundy (3) Brayshaw (4) Serong. With Fyfe playing some forward minutes and Mundy having marginally less game time in general given his age, surely they can fit in a part-time midfielder in Brodie? Could be something like Brayshaw 80% TOG (60% inside mid - 20% wing), Fyfe 80% TOG (60% inside mid - 20% forward), Mundy 70% TOG (70% inside mid), Serong 75% TOG (75% inside mid).

This leaves Brodie with potentially 70% TOG (45% inside mid, 25% somewhere else). Is this achievable?

Any thoughts/insight Freo supporters can provide?

Mundy and Fyfe will get some midfield CBA minutes but I think they’ll reduce this season. It’s also been noted within the Freo club that Brodie is very good at what he does but doesn’t have the strings in his bow to play a wider range of positions so I do think they’ll play him more to his strength.

 

[Leroy]

Anybody know how long Ryder is out injured for?
Trying to work out if Jack Hayes sticks around long enough to make any money... last year Paul Hunter started with a blaze of 40s before getting dropped. At least Hayes has DPP.

Feels like you only want one of Hayes or Dixon tbh, otherwise by R4 you could have a swing set of donuts.

 

[Bomber18]

Anybody know how long Ryder is out injured for?
Trying to work out if Jack Hayes sticks around long enough to make any money... last year Paul Hunter started with a blaze of 40s before getting dropped. At least Hayes has DPP.

Feels like you only want one of Hayes or Dixon tbh, otherwise by R4 you could have a swing set of donuts.

Comments during the preseason game were that Ryder will miss R1 but is still due back early season, no definitive timeline

 

[ChrisCross]

I think this above answers al number of questions around Rioli and Ralphsmith in that JS may be an issues with so many good options for that role. It’ll be interesting as I think it’s a role though that needs some consistency in game time as it’s crucial for all teams, interesting to see how it all pans out but I think I’ll give it a wide berth.



Mundy and Fyfe will get some midfield CBA minutes but I think they’ll reduce this season. It’s also been noted within the Freo club that Brodie is very good at what he does but doesn’t have the strings in his bow to play a wider range of positions so I do think they’ll play him more to his strength.

Can definitely see Brodie doing a Keays/Lyon and pumping out at least a 90-95pt season.

With Fremantle contending for finals looks like Brodie will be favoured for that inside mid role.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Comments during the preseason game were that Ryder will miss R1 but is still due back early season, no definitive timeline

If we have alternatives theres a very real chance I pick neither of them to be honest, just think people are getting a bit excited just because they see a basement priced forward/ruck, both have poor JS and very average scoring potential IMHO.

 

[wogitalia]

If we have alternatives theres a very real chance I pick neither of them to be honest, just think people are getting a bit excited just because they see a basement priced forward/ruck, both have poor JS and very average scoring potential IMHO.

To be honest, I'm not at all excited by either of them but I'm not seeing anything else so take the chance there and get a useful DPP donut in the event of the worst case scenario.

Rather a Hayes/Dixon type that costs rock bottom and can be stashed at R3 all season where I'm really expecting a genuine cash cow to present, than someone getting in the way at F8.

I should note that I've got English at R2 and Preuss at R3, so they also give me the option of starting Preuss should he win the #1 role and be putting up the best rookie scores going around, so the structural benefits that I'll get from a Hayes wont be there for many, probably most, teams.

 

[OnTopBar]

To be honest, I'm not at all excited by either of them but I'm not seeing anything else so take the chance there and get a useful DPP donut in the event of the worst case scenario.

Rather a Hayes/Dixon type that costs rock bottom and can be stashed at R3 all season where I'm really expecting a genuine cash cow to present, than someone getting in the way at F8.

I should note that I've got English at R2 and Preuss at R3, so they also give me the option of starting Preuss should he win the #1 role and be putting up the best rookie scores going around, so the structural benefits that I'll get from a Hayes wont be there for many, probably most, teams.

So basically a Preuss at R2 team with the insurance of English. I don't mind it at all, guess it means that your F6 will be benched.

 

[wogitalia]

So basically a Preuss at R2 team with the insurance of English. I don't mind it at all, guess it means that your F6 will be benched.

I'm picking English at R2 with Preuss at R3 but having a Hayes/Dixon will allow me to switch English forward and bench a F6/M8, possibly D6, (whatever is weakest obviously) to play Preuss instead, if Preuss plays like the weekend and has good ruck minutes, he's going to score 70+, if he wins the #1 role he's capable of pushing towards 90. Worth noting that if Preuss role from the weekend holds he'd get R/F at round 7 as well.

I'm not sold on Preuss yet, as promising as he was, they've got some decisions structurally to make, personally I think that with their midfield they've got more to gain from Preuss dominating 2nd rucks (and he should) and being an adequate forward target and enormous F50 stoppage asset than they do to gain from playing any of their forwards short of maybe a fit Hogan.

Will be interesting though as you've got Himmelberg, Riccardi, Hogan, Brander and even Briggs all in contention for spots as well. I'd say Hogan and Riccardi probably compete as similar higher leading guys and one should play, Himmelberg I just think is a small forward who happens to be tall most of the time so he can probably fit in and works well with Toby Greene who's kind of the opposite. Whether they pick the leftover of Hogan and Riccardi is a big call, they get top heavy fast if they do that.

So yeah, there's concerns on Preuss but also a lot of upside scoring potential and I just dislike wasting a cash earning spot if I don't have to.

 

[BIGB0Y]

I'm picking English at R2 with Preuss at R3 but having a Hayes/Dixon will allow me to switch English forward and bench a F6/M8, possibly D6, (whatever is weakest obviously) to play Preuss instead, if Preuss plays like the weekend and has good ruck minutes, he's going to score 70+, if he wins the #1 role he's capable of pushing towards 90. Worth noting that if Preuss role from the weekend holds he'd get R/F at round 7 as well.

I'm not sold on Preuss yet, as promising as he was, they've got some decisions structurally to make, personally I think that with their midfield they've got more to gain from Preuss dominating 2nd rucks (and he should) and being an adequate forward target and enormous F50 stoppage asset than they do to gain from playing any of their forwards short of maybe a fit Hogan.

Will be interesting though as you've got Himmelberg, Riccardi, Hogan, Brander and even Briggs all in contention for spots as well. I'd say Hogan and Riccardi probably compete as similar higher leading guys and one should play, Himmelberg I just think is a small forward who happens to be tall most of the time so he can probably fit in and works well with Toby Greene who's kind of the opposite. Whether they pick the leftover of Hogan and Riccardi is a big call, they get top heavy fast if they do that.

So yeah, there's concerns on Preuss but also a lot of upside scoring potential and I just dislike wasting a cash earning spot if I don't have to.

What's your thought on him not playing round 1? Still going to pick him?

 

[dlanod]

What's your thought on him not playing round 1? Still going to pick him?

If you've got him at R3 and like him there, surely you'd back him in unless you decide you want to extra cash from a base price rookie.

 

[dlanod]

Some less lauded names getting decent scores in their preseason game while being more reasonably priced:

Jordan Boyd DEF Carlton 1 $123,900 40
Mitchito Owens MID St Kilda 1 $117,300 39
Finn Maginness MID, FOR Hawthorn 1 $143,700 50
Joel Smith DEF Melbourne 1 $177,200 67
Jake Soligo MID Adelaide 1 $117,300 45
Kaine Baldwin FOR Essendon 1 $123,900 48
Brady Hough MID West Coast 1 $117,300 47
Connor MacDonald MID Hawthorn 1 $117,300 52
Jed McEntee MID, FOR Port Adelaide 1 $123,900 58

I guess the knock on just about all of them is job security, but if half get a go in round 1 we might have more options than we think right now.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Some less lauded names getting decent scores in their preseason game while being more reasonably priced:

Jordan Boyd DEF Carlton 1 $123,900 40
Mitchito Owens MID St Kilda 1 $117,300 39
Finn Maginness MID, FOR Hawthorn 1 $143,700 50
Joel Smith DEF Melbourne 1 $177,200 67
Jake Soligo MID Adelaide 1 $117,300 45
Kaine Baldwin FOR Essendon 1 $123,900 48
Brady Hough MID West Coast 1 $117,300 47
Connor MacDonald MID Hawthorn 1 $117,300 52
Jed McEntee MID, FOR Port Adelaide 1 $123,900 58

I guess the knock on just about all of them is job security, but if half get a go in round 1 we might have more options than we think right now.

I think well have enough options theyll just all be rubbish scorers at that cheap price range.

 

[Shaunpro1]

What's your thought on him not playing round 1? Still going to pick him?

Missing Round 1 gives Flynn the chance to impress solo for mine, easily see a world where they end up sticking with that for another 2 or 3 rounds

 

[Leroy]

What's your thought on him not playing round 1? Still going to pick him?

I had him at R2, but now that he misses the first round it effectively gives you 3 full weeks of actual AFL to take a look at him.

It he's exploding on the bubble in R4 then I'm sure one of my $200k players will be injured or ready to be dropped

 

[Bermi]

First time playing supercoach this year, but in need of some forward and defence rookies who will be playing round 1 as need some team fillers. Any suggestions?

As we get closer to the start of round 1, we will all have a better idea which Rookies will be playing round 1.
Keep monitoring this Thread and the information on Rookies, that you seek, will highly likely be found here.

 

[BIGB0Y]

Umpires are way to involved

 

[wogitalia]

What's your thought on him not playing round 1? Still going to pick him?

Makes him very hard to pick.

a) We have no idea if he's best 22.
b) As mentioned above, if Flynn dominates and whoever plays instead of him kicks a bag he's stuck in the reserves.

Probably the only solid path into my team is now my VC putting up an enormous score and there just flat out not being enough rookies elsewhere that he's still worth picking. Both conceivable outcomes to be fair.

Do wonder if they challenge it given I think you could contest both the impact being high (shoulder isn't high, it's body) and the impact level (no damage done, hard to argue it was more than low on an outcomes based system unless you're going to have an inequitable system where being bigger means the player tackling you gets punished more severely. I don't think they will though, they've been real rollovers to AFL house historically.

Basically, I had a lot of doubts picking him already and now I think the doubts outweigh the benefits. He's always there round 4 now as a worst case if he does go hard (I wasn't fielding him in the first week or two anyway I dare say).