Discussion 2022: Rate My Team

The Saltshaker · 8 Mar 2022

Yeah i know Dean out (go Pies ❤️) ive only left him there till i see rookies rnd 1, could swap Kelly to De Konig in def and bring in Nick Martin up fwd as you have done works out same spend.

Likewise with byes having Oliver, Neale, they have the same bye rnd as Petracca, Titch which makes Steele & Touk solid inclusions or upgrades.

If we think Gawn, Grundy, Darcy are top 3 rucks then come bye round 14 ill need a DPP swing

Round 14 is looking like a real b#tch

JHF am worried about midfield minutes, is Powell, Phillips ahead of him?

At $206k at 70avg wont make $150k in 14 rnds (looking at early 200k rookie charts posted in this thread) which is too long to milk a cow 🤔

I suppose my question back is what do you predict he will avg? Any insight welcomed

pizza safety · 8 Mar 2022

wogitalia said:

Couldn’t Martin just as easily be Dixon, Kemp Boyd/Sinn and Soligo Cooper Stephens ? I get we might need to pay up but that’s not an unrealistic side from a money perspective, I think we’re all being a bit conservative in our rookie estimations and I’m spending more on expensive rookies than ever before, if some cheap players are named round 1 I’ll be grabbing some of them, regardless of js, not all the expensive rookies are gonna pan out or stay in their side

Cricket98 · 8 Mar 2022

I'm personally loving how scarce the rookies are, looks as though theres alot less cookie cutting than recent years. Structure wise I've been set on this sort of structure for a while, just need to pray and hope a D8 shows up.

DEF:

Crisp= I really dont think 110 is that far off a stretch. Similar to Laird/Mills last year, I really like guys who have plyed their time in defense before being unleased into the midfield. Just seem to be so much less panicky when they get the ball in a high pressure situation.
Ridley = Not too concerned about the whole kickout sharing, last year if he got more than 10 disposals he averaged 105...
Short = Didn't have him last year, but he's arguably must have with no Houli. If I need 30k he's going to Whitfield
Hewett= I think 96-102 is realistic and achievable.
Hinge / McCartin = comfortable fielding both, think Hinge's spot in best 22 is actually quite safe for the short term at least. I think SDK will play, and right now just praying to the gods a D8 rocks up from nowhere.

MID:

Steele/Touk = Neither have moved from my side since the teampicker opened. Absolute workhorses, no questions around role, perfect age. Having a fit Marshall/Witts should also benefit.
Kelly = In the words of Carl Johnson... Ah ****, here we go again..... This will be the 3rd year in a row I've started him. Can't believe I've been sucked in again. The role looked outstanding in the aami game, two full preseasons in a row, has he finally put the injury woes behind him...? At this point I feel Leon Cameron is the only thing stopping him from going 120-125, but if that role is anything to go by I really think he can do it.
Neale= Nothing else in this price range stands out, probably 15ish-best case 20 points underpriced.
Cripps= speaking of 15-20 points underpriced.... and speaking of 3rd time lucky (Chook). He looks fit, the role is there, the new coach loves contested footy. He's just way too cheap to ignore based on what we've seen over the last month.
Berry = Probably the 2nd biggest lock behind Cogs
Daicos = Think we're talking Walsh rookie year areas of 85ish here. Could genuinely end up D7.
Stephens= Looks stronger, fitter, and the Dawson role has been vacated. Think he's sliding under radar a bit and will end up once of the best rookie picks this year, with non selectors thinking "that was so obvious why didnt I pick him"
Davies = This could be Ward/Rachele/JHF. Have liked what I see from Davies, think he's being groomed as the Greenwood replacement as that 4th mid. Their Rd 23 split they ran last year, with Rowell eating into some more of Fiorinis is what I suspect they'll be running with this year.
M10/M11= Good lord. Got some info from Cats that theyre really keen to get Stephens games early in the year. Otherwise it's probably pray and hope two of Hough/Soligo/MacDonald get named.

RUCK:
Grundy = Hasn't moved since team picker, underpriced
English = Still getting smashed in the ruck, but geez if he plays that sweeping/intercept Gawn role and then gets involved with the link up play he's probably 15-20 points underpriced. Probably only needs to improve 10 points and cover some covid outs in both lines to be a great pick. The other benefit is if Preuss comes into the team and solo rucks or is scoring well, can swing him fwd via J. Hayes when required. Happy to start Preuss at R3, as I feel others may be using a trade bringing him in at some point.

FWD:
Butters = There's no way Ken can run the same 3 plodders through the midfield again after what happened in the prelim final surely...
Weller = Have been big on him all of preseason, was just hoping he didn't go silly in the practice games and end up 20% owned. He took every kickout he was on the ground for, to backup 11 last week. Lukosius is locked fwd, Bowes out, and he's the main man on kickouts. That's all I needed to see, they're not going to concede only 6 behinds every week.
Cogs = Nothing to say.
Gov/Brodie/Xerri= These 3 picks is why I love this game and come back every single year. Brodie is a bit of a FOMO pick and I'd much prefer Coleman or someone else but im concerned about Ralphsmiths JS. Fyfe hopefully a direct swap for Crowdens CBAS. If Gov keeps that role 80-85 is achievable. I'm happy to have a punt on Xerri at 200k, the fact that he's a forward makes it alot more appealing as there's alot easiers route of of the pick if it fails.
Durdin/Hayes= I'll pick the cheapest DPP R/F at F8 thats named Rd 1. God knows who is F7 if Durdin doesn't get named.

jobeywatto · 8 Mar 2022

Cricket98 said:

I'd definitely start with JHF instead. I don't think Davies is a bad pick, but the risk of JHF killing it to start the year and being in close to 70% of teams could hurt you if Davies/Stephens flounder. Can't really fault the rest of your team. You've taken some risks with Weller and Xerri but I can understand the reasoning behind them. I think I'd go with Rachele over Xerri personally, but if you feel he can hold the #1 ruck spot and score well when CCJ/Comben come into the team then he could be a good POD.

Here's what I'm working with at the moment:

I'll probably chicken out of this team. Only the 1 uber premium in the mids, but there's just too much value in he midfield and not enough startable rookies in other positions this year. Concerns here would be captain options - Gawn and Oliver share the same fixture, Neale, Grundy and Dunkley the only other real options. Also don't really like the Hewett pick but this setup requires either him or Sicily.

Manikato1 · 8 Mar 2022

Seems that like this kind of on field Mid/Ruck/Fwd line up is almost becoming cookie cutter now. More variation in def which is still keeping teams a little different.

Herbie66 · 8 Mar 2022

Neale @ M1

Lloyd , Short , Whitfield * , Sicily , Hewett * , Chapman / Hinge , Gibcus

Neale , Cripps , Rowell , Berry , Coniglio * , Brodie * , Horne-Francis , Daicos / Rachele * , Ward , D Stephens

Gawn , Grundy / S Hayes

Dunkley * , Heeney , Butters , McGovern , Curnow , Xerri / McCartin * , Durdin

Bank: $ 17,400.00

Read many posts how it is "easy" to upgrade to $ 600+k mid premiums , not sure if getting 6-8 is actually practical though

toxic · 8 Mar 2022

Feeling brave today

manyproblems · 8 Mar 2022

Running with this for now, always try not to make last minute changes so hopefully this is it.

Defense
Crisp - Reliable, good role and durable. Impressed with his back half last year and looked to continue it in preseason games, a bit more skewed to midfield than defense.
Short - 105 without Houli so penned him at 100-105.
Whitfield - First game vs Sydney he went off, 2nd game he looked like 2021 whitfield. His kicking consistency seems to have dipped a bit. Proper preseason this year, seen what guys like Rowell, Butters, Berry, Neale etc are doing when injuries/preseason haven't hindered them.
Hewett - 28 and 31 disposals in both games, impressed with his stoppage work and work rate. 96 in the midfield last year, hope he he can repeat that. For the most part had a licence to hunt the ball which was encouraging, but I can see he him being used more defensively at times. Seems hes very highly rated internally judging by Riley Beverage's intel.
Rookies - Hinge, McCartin, Kemp, SDK. Fan of Hinge, just will cop a correction if something happens to his shoulder. McCartin looks good. Kemp I'm hoping goes back like he trained in preseason, high talent. SDK showed some sort of ceiling, he can stay at D8.

Midfield
Macrae: Main VC option.
Steele: Steele vs Touk... having a hard time. Steele has no help which worries be a bit but he was M1 for 2/3 of last year.
Neale: Fit
Rowell: Didn't expect to pick him but his contested winning the past two games has blown me away. Still not exploding or spreading as well but his grunt work is impressive. Think he and Touk will floor WC in R1.
Berry: Fit and role seems good
Rookies: JHF/Daicos/Ward. Comparing their U17/18 numbers to previous years... this is a special crop and they all showed it.
Bench Rooks: Stephens/McEntee/MacDonald. Stephens looks good and went 104 in the VFL, McEntee is a placeholder for now, Soligo fall back. MacDonald had 30+ in nab league.

Ruck
Gawn - Eh, penned him in for 113-118 range. Perhaps he can sniff Darcy and Grundy ready to take his crown and is having none of it watching his preseason games.
Grundy - Everyones picking him and expecting improvement on last year
Hayes - Loop/Cover

Forward
Dunkley - Looks like more mid time, have him at 125-130
Heeney - Full preseason and think he's going to tear it up. Looked in ripping nic. Role is gona suck at times but can still score acceptable in it.
Butters - Gun inside midfielder, can go 105+
Cogs - Free
Brodie - Coach likes him, inside role and very cheap. Correction to Hugo if something goes wrong.
Xerri - First ruck it seems, has scored well in the VFL and in past preseason games when given the main ruck role.
Rookies - Rachele/N.Martin. Rachele has great JS and will have spike games, N.Martin played really well and just hope he plays. Dixon potentially a fall back but not ideal.

freowho · 8 Mar 2022

Shaunpro1 said:

I think there is a trap here that we're going to see a lot this year. This example only works if you already thought Hewett was a good pick. If you didn't think Hewett was a good pick before the lack of cheap rookies, he doesn't become a good pick after. Hewett vs more profitable, expensive cash cow + $150K? I would bank the $150k.
But if you already thought Hewett was a good pick you should have him anyway at that price.

Juzzo · 8 Mar 2022

If you had to pick a starting team, which one?

Team A:

Team B:

Shannon · 8 Mar 2022

Juzzo said:

Team A for mine - very similar to my setup. Brodie I think could score close to what Thomas will, money saved allowing Rachele F6/ Xerri F7 gives good depth/ cover.

Very nice side

Juzzo · 8 Mar 2022

Shannon said:

Thanks, appreciated.

GOAUS! · 8 Mar 2022

Current side looks like this.

I'm not entirely convinced by my current D8 of Boyd and the F8 of Martin. I just hope they both get selected (or someone around a similar price range) but I like the rest of the side.

Toothless Tigers · 8 Mar 2022

NT.Thunder said:

Herbie66 said:

Thank you for taking time to respond and your advice

Rumbler · 9 Mar 2022

Updated team. Appreciate any feedback (especially constructive!).
Some of my concerns are the JS/scoring prowess of the weak bench rookies. Also, I know we have extra trades this year, but the GnR combination is still what I aim to do. However I know I'll get that FOMO feeling if I don't pick some of these mid-pricers...
What changes would you make?

Shannon · 9 Mar 2022

Rumbler said:

I like it overall except for the F6 spot … don’t think Martin is a viable starting option.

Kelly looks unlikely for round 1 - maybe Gibcus or Kemp.

I would look at swapping a mid premium for Ward & use the cash to strengthen the fwd line.

RIAL · 9 Mar 2022

Rumbler said:

While I understand Ward's recent pre-season performance was based on the absence of O'meara and Titch, I think not starting him is way too risky for the limited upside you get.

At worst he will average 55 - 60 on a wing with high TOG and good JS. Perhaps he makes less than $150k and turns out to be a mediocre pick.

But if he receives any amount of decent midfield time, he becomes a must have rookie who will be very difficult for you to bring in given his premium starting price. You would have to reshuffle multiple picks and waste trades in the process. Hawthorn's midfield isn't that deep anyways, and with Wingard playing almost exclusively forward and O'meara playing more wing, I think the role is likely to be there for Ward to average 70+.

Professor · 9 Mar 2022

RIAL said:

While I understand Ward's recent pre-season performance was based on the absence of O'meara and Titch, I think not starting him is way too risky for the limited upside you get.

At worst he will average 55 - 60 on a wing with high TOG and good JS. Perhaps he makes less than $150k and turns out to be a mediocre pick.

But if he receives any amount of decent midfield time, he becomes a must have rookie who will be very difficult for you to bring in given his premium starting price. You would have to reshuffle multiple picks and waste trades in the process. Hawthorn's midfield isn't that deep anyways, and with Wingard playing almost exclusively forward and O'meara playing more wing, I think the role is likely to be there for Ward to average 70+.

Interested in your thoughts on starting JHF and what you think his scoring potential may be considering his forward role.

Shaunpro1 · 9 Mar 2022

jobeywatto said:

I'd definitely start with JHF instead. I don't think Davies is a bad pick, but the risk of JHF killing it to start the year and being in close to 70% of teams could hurt you if Davies/Stephens flounder. Can't really fault the rest of your team. You've taken some risks with Weller and Xerri but I can understand the reasoning behind them. I think I'd go with Rachele over Xerri personally, but if you feel he can hold the #1 ruck spot and score well when CCJ/Comben come into the team then he could be a good POD.

Here's what I'm working with at the moment:
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I'll probably chicken out of this team. Only the 1 uber premium in the mids, but there's just too much value in he midfield and not enough startable rookies in other positions this year. Concerns here would be captain options - Gawn and Oliver share the same fixture, Neale, Grundy and Dunkley the only other real options. Also don't really like the Hewett pick but this setup requires either him or Sicily.

I'm all for people liking the value of Rowell and Cripps but I dont think you can be taking on Macrae,Steele and Miller every week, just dont see how thats not going to be a long 8 to 10 weeks.

Shaunpro1 · 9 Mar 2022

RIAL said:

I think theres a very real chance Titch and JOM and even Worpel spend more time out of the centre bounce to allow a guy like Ward the sufficient inside time, theyve seen how good he is now and they are a side building for the future but Id be lying if I didnt have some reservations on his potential output.

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