Discussion 2022 Round 2: Teams & In Game Discussion | MrMurdoch takes out the Rnd2 Weekly Prize!

[Shaunpro1]

Can't dismiss the opinion of a former winner but I sure hope she's influential with that mindset. I am very confident it is the wrong strategy.

I dont see how people think we are going to need to trade boost to get out of a Covid situation, they miss one week theres a thing called a bench, not to mention the vast majority of the competition has already had it (a huge reason why only one Carlton player tested positive).

Think telling people a definitive way to use trade boosts and basically mocking people adopting a particular strategy is also a bit ridiculous, this is an area of Supercoach that has never happened before, nobody knows the right way to go about it.

 

[Tails]

I dont see how people think we are going to need to trade boost to get out of a Covid situation, they miss one week theres a thing called a bench, not to mention the vast majority of the competition has already had it (a huge reason why only one Carlton player tested positive).

Think telling people a definitive way to use trade boosts and basically mocking people adopting a particular strategy is also a bit ridiculous, this is an area of Supercoach that has never happened before, nobody knows the right way to go about it.

I honestly think this is heading down the AFL Fantasy path .... 2 trades each week and 3 for the bye rounds ...
- click bait and keeps people involved for longer ...

In the NBA fantasy sport we get 3 per week ... use them or lose them ... it actually seems to work quite well IMO ...
- but see that they want to also introduce "Boost" trades on top of that ... not sure why ...

 

[Shaunpro1]

I honestly think this is heading down the AFL Fantasy path .... 2 trades each week and 3 for the bye rounds ...
- click bait and keeps people involved for longer ...

In the NBA fantasy sport we get 3 per week ... use them or lose them ... it actually seems to work quite well IMO ...
- but see that they want to also introduce "Boost" trades on top of that ... not sure why ...

Lets be honest they add trades because the core of the player base just consistently burns trades, more people they keep playing the game the better.

 

[Philzsay]

I currently have the top 16 most popular picked players in my team ( and I know of a team that has the top 22 most picked players). Mitch McGovern is my most POD player owned by 14.2% of coaches.

So I just did a bit of an exercise to see if there are any true PODS one can bring in.

Did you know that there were 19 players to score over 100 points in round 1 that are owned by less than 1000 coaches!

Although the majority of these players are mid pricers.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

I currently have the top 16 most popular picked players in my team ( and I know of a team that has the top 22 most picked players). Mitch McGovern is my most POD player owned by 14.2% of coaches.

So I just did a bit of an exercise to see if there are any true PODS one can bring in.

Did you know that there were 19 players to score over 100 points in round 1 that are owned by less than 1000 coaches!

Although the majority of these players are mid pricers.

I notice that Danger is at 2% 👀🤔

 

[Slacker]

I currently have the top 16 most popular picked players in my team ( and I know of a team that has the top 22 most picked players). Mitch McGovern is my most POD player owned by 14.2% of coaches.

So I just did a bit of an exercise to see if there are any true PODS one can bring in.

Did you know that there were 19 players to score over 100 points in round 1 that are owned by less than 1000 coaches!

Although the majority of these players are mid pricers.

Using trade boost we can get six of the best mps in by round 3 and could even end up with bonus money in the bank.
Strike hard, strike fast, shock and awe!

 

[Bomber18]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506384366901297157

View: https://twitter.com/afl/status/1506384366901297157?s=21


Adelaide
Verdict: Gollant and Scholl for McPherson and Himmelberg, with Pedlar as medical sub

Brisbane
Verdict: Sharp to come in for Robinson. Robertson as the medi-sub.

Carlton
Verdict: Walsh to replace Martin, with Fogarty on standby if the star midfielder can't prove his fitness.

Collingwood
Verdict: Will Hoskin-Elliott hasn’t banged the door down over the pre-season practice matches and might not force his way straight back into Collingwood's best 22, who could go in unchanged for Saturday's game against Adelaide at the MCG. If Cox doesn’t get up, the Pies might go with Cameron or Kreuger.

Essendon
Verdict: Stringer and Francis in for Langford and Kaine Baldwin. Cutler retains substitute role.

Fremantle
Verdict: Darcy and Erasmus for Meek and Banfield

Geelong
Verdict: Duncan and Bews look set to return this weekend after missing round one, with De Koning coming out. Cameron might run out of time to prove his fitness coming off a six-day break.

Gold Coast
Verdict: No changes.

GWS
Verdict: Hogan and Haynes for Brander and Keeffe. Bruhn to swap places in the 22 for O'Halloran to move to the medi-sub.

Hawks
Verdict: Ben McEvoy is a straight swap for Max Lynch. Luke Breust will return and Will Day should come in after the success of Changkuoth Jiath who has tracked a similar recovery across the first few months of this year. The six-day break between games might count against Day, but the Hawks could back in the classy defender to build fitness in the 22.

Melbourne
Verdict: Bedford to replace Salem as the Dees' only change, with McDonald to remain back.

North Melbourne
Verdict: Walker, Polec and debutant Curtis named in place of McKay, Powell and Coleman-Jones. Comben on standby if Walker isn't cleared to play.

Port Adelaide
Verdict: Skinner and Sinn for Aliir and Duursma.

Richmond
Verdict: Prestia and Riewoldt out for McIntosh and Ralphsmith into the starting 22.

Saints
Verdict: With a handful of first choice players missing due to injury right now, the Saints can't afford to make changes despite a disappointing loss to start the year. Mitch Owens only played 49 per cent of the game and deserves more opportunity. Dean Kent struggled to make an impact. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera could get a look this week.

Sydney
Verdict: Warner for Sheldrick and Lloyd for Stephens. Stephens to play as the medi-sub.

WCE
Verdict: Darling, Ryan, Kelly, Shuey and Witherden for Dixon, Langdon, O'Neill, Hough and Naish, who moves to substitute.

WBD
Verdict: O'Brien and Martin in for Schache and Gardner.

 

[Wheedus]

I dont see how people think we are going to need to trade boost to get out of a Covid situation, they miss one week theres a thing called a bench, not to mention the vast majority of the competition has already had it (a huge reason why only one Carlton player tested positive).

Think telling people a definitive way to use trade boosts and basically mocking people adopting a particular strategy is also a bit ridiculous, this is an area of Supercoach that has never happened before, nobody knows the right way to go about it.

This is my feeling. I can see the merit in holding the boost trades as insurance until later if a league win is your strategy but going for overall means building the best possible team as quickly as possible. There's a lot to be said for using a boost trade this week and the next to fix structural issues and grab missed rookies and then one during each of the bye rounds. In past seasons I've often found myself hamstrung trying at this times so the boost will come in handy.

I guess the key is not to waste it / do it for the sake of it being there. If you can achieve the best possible outcome using two (or even none for that matter) in these rounds, then don't use it.

 

[Montyjnr]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506384366901297157

View: https://twitter.com/afl/status/1506384366901297157?s=21


Adelaide
Verdict: Gollant and Scholl for McPherson and Himmelberg, with Pedlar as medical sub

Brisbane
Verdict: Sharp to come in for Robinson. Robertson as the medi-sub.

Carlton
Verdict: Walsh to replace Martin, with Fogarty on standby if the star midfielder can't prove his fitness.

Collingwood
Verdict: Will Hoskin-Elliott hasn’t banged the door down over the pre-season practice matches and might not force his way straight back into Collingwood's best 22, who could go in unchanged for Saturday's game against Adelaide at the MCG. If Cox doesn’t get up, the Pies might go with Cameron or Kreuger.

Essendon
Verdict: Stringer and Francis in for Langford and Kaine Baldwin. Cutler retains substitute role.

Fremantle
Verdict: Darcy and Erasmus for Meek and Banfield

Geelong
Verdict: Duncan and Bews look set to return this weekend after missing round one, with De Koning coming out. Cameron might run out of time to prove his fitness coming off a six-day break.

Gold Coast
Verdict: No changes.

GWS
Verdict: Hogan and Haynes for Brander and Keeffe. Bruhn to swap places in the 22 for O'Halloran to move to the medi-sub.

Hawks
Verdict: Ben McEvoy is a straight swap for Max Lynch. Luke Breust will return and Will Day should come in after the success of Changkuoth Jiath who has tracked a similar recovery across the first few months of this year. The six-day break between games might count against Day, but the Hawks could back in the classy defender to build fitness in the 22.

Melbourne
Verdict: Bedford to replace Salem as the Dees' only change, with McDonald to remain back.

North Melbourne
Verdict: Walker, Polec and debutant Curtis named in place of McKay, Powell and Coleman-Jones. Comben on standby if Walker isn't cleared to play.

Port Adelaide
Verdict: Skinner and Sinn for Aliir and Duursma.

Richmond
Verdict: Prestia and Riewoldt out for McIntosh and Ralphsmith into the starting 22.

Saints
Verdict: With a handful of first choice players missing due to injury right now, the Saints can't afford to make changes despite a disappointing loss to start the year. Mitch Owens only played 49 per cent of the game and deserves more opportunity. Dean Kent struggled to make an impact. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera could get a look this week.

Sydney
Verdict: Warner for Sheldrick and Lloyd for Stephens. Stephens to play as the medi-sub.

WCE
Verdict: Darling, Ryan, Kelly, Shuey and Witherden for Dixon, Langdon, O'Neill, Hough and Naish, who moves to substitute.

WBD
Verdict: O'Brien and Martin in for Schache and Gardner.

These verdicts are always so off the mark that I really don't know why they bother with them.

 

[dlanod]

This is my feeling. I can see the merit in holding the boost trades as insurance until later if a league win is your strategy but going for overall means building the best possible team as quickly as possible. There's a lot to be said for using a boost trade this week and the next to fix structural issues and grab missed rookies and then one during each of the bye rounds. In past seasons I've often found myself hamstrung trying at this times so the boost will come in handy.

I guess the key is not to waste it / do it for the sake of it being there. If you can achieve the best possible outcome using two (or even none for that matter) in these rounds, then don't use it.

Well said. TL;DR:

If you've got any boosts left after fielding a full team you're doing it wrong.

The chances you'll need three injury trades in a week is not zero, but not worth holding a potentially unused resource for. The extrapolation with that therefore is that they should be all used before the end of byes, depending on when you're targeting a complete team (since usually I finish off my team over byes), in order to bring forward that completion.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Not sure whether it's been mentioned anywhere already but Port's assistant coach, Nathan Bassett, has stated the following;

"(Aliir) has been outstanding, so he's difficult to replace. Sam Skinner does have a similar mindset in terms of the way he goes for the ball and intercepts marks, and he's hard as a cat's head. If he plays, he'll give us everything that he has"

Sounds good for Skinner's chances of playing and slotting in to the intercept role that Aliir plays.

 

[Matt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506407044651560961

View: https://twitter.com/CarltonFC/status/1506407044651560961?s=20&t=bEjVe6PrLWvTV6f2q-TwaA

Big loss, importantly all other players tested negative this morning

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Dixon might get a lifeline…

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506407919444963332

 

[Matt]

Dixon might get a lifeline…

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506407919444963332

Maybe not

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506382473650851846

View: https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1506382473650851846?s=20&t=bEjVe6PrLWvTV6f2q-TwaA

 

[Diabolical]

This is my feeling. I can see the merit in holding the boost trades as insurance until later if a league win is your strategy but going for overall means building the best possible team as quickly as possible. There's a lot to be said for using a boost trade this week and the next to fix structural issues and grab missed rookies and then one during each of the bye rounds. In past seasons I've often found myself hamstrung trying at this times so the boost will come in handy.

I guess the key is not to waste it / do it for the sake of it being there. If you can achieve the best possible outcome using two (or even none for that matter) in these rounds, then don't use it.

I guess we will all look back in hindsight later in the season once we know what the higher finishing coaches did with their boosts. I am in the camp of maybe going hard early, then again in upgrade season, but I can see the benefits to holding through to the byes. With the boosts we are in new territory where we can make decisions on twelve players (six out, six in) before prices change.

 

[Matt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506413889902485505

View: https://twitter.com/CarltonFC/status/1506413889902485505?s=20&t=bEjVe6PrLWvTV6f2q-TwaA

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Maybe not

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1506382473650851846

View: https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1506382473650851846?s=20&t=bEjVe6PrLWvTV6f2q-TwaA

Darling in for Kennedy.

The other four aren’t similar players to Dixon so he should get named this week. However, it may only be this week with Kennedy back the following week.

Kick a bag, Dicko!

 

[Slacker]

It would be interesting to know just what threshold, exit information, target or just whatever the AFL needs to remove the Covid H&S protocols or this could just end up like a dog chasing it's tail in self-perpetuating negative feed back loop that goes nowhere.

 

[OnTopBar]

This is my feeling. I can see the merit in holding the boost trades as insurance until later if a league win is your strategy but going for overall means building the best possible team as quickly as possible. There's a lot to be said for using a boost trade this week and the next to fix structural issues and grab missed rookies and then one during each of the bye rounds. In past seasons I've often found myself hamstrung trying at this times so the boost will come in handy.

I guess the key is not to waste it / do it for the sake of it being there. If you can achieve the best possible outcome using two (or even none for that matter) in these rounds, then don't use it.

I'm also of this opinion and grabbing missed rookies is part of the equation but not the whole equation.

I've started with 8 MP's ( Xerri included) the reason for them being there is cash generation and points on field, if they're not generating cash then they have to be moved on to those MP's that will be on the bubble (the same as a rookie) and those that look to have higher points scoring potential. So my teams MP's and ratings after 1 round as follows.

Hewett: Tick
Rowell: Tick
Witts: Tick
Cogs: Tick
Xerri: Tick
McGovern: Needs another week but his role looks good
Rioli: 71 would class as a fail and needs 85-90 at his price
Berry: Is a fail if he needs to be managed in game by playing him on the cold wing.

As far as the rookies are concerned, I just have to add Martin to the mix and I'll have what I consider to be the 'must have' rookies for now. Preuss at R3 has 100k of accessible cash that would be better utilised on field so he'll go (for now) to Martin via Hayes.

Of the MP's that I've missed I think that Lipinski, L McDonald and Duke Nukem look like the best candidates for my team going forward and depending on available cash, Rioli, Berry and Ward (plus Preuss's released $) will probably make way.

I'm also considering a corrective trade of Crisp > Hall.

All up that's 5 trades which, I think and hope, will set my team up for the best cash generation and points on field that I can manage given the limited data available and going forward the plan would be to not use any more trades (barring LTI's) until upgrade season. I think it's vital to nail the team prior to prices which would put a lot of players out of contention that I'm wanting.

 

[Herbie66]

I'm also of this opinion and grabbing missed rookies is part of the equation but not the whole equation.

I've started with 8 MP's ( Xerri included) the reason for them being there is cash generation and points on field, if they're not generating cash then they have to be moved on to those MP's that will be on the bubble (the same as a rookie) and those that look to have higher points scoring potential. So my teams MP's and ratings after 1 round as follows.

Hewett: Tick
Rowell: Tick
Witts: Tick
Cogs: Tick
Xerri: Tick
McGovern: Needs another week but his role looks good
Rioli: 71 would class as a fail and needs 85-90 at his price
Berry: Is a fail if he needs to be managed in game by playing him on the cold wing.

As far as the rookies are concerned, I just have to add Martin to the mix and I'll have what I consider to be the 'must have' rookies for now. Preuss at R3 has 100k of accessible cash that would be better utilised on field so he'll go (for now) to Martin via Hayes.

Of the MP's that I've missed I think that Lipinski, L McDonald and Duke Nukem look like the best candidates for my team going forward and depending on available cash, Rioli, Berry and Ward (plus Preuss's released $) will probably make way.

I'm also considering a corrective trade of Crisp > Hall.

All up that's 5 trades which, I think and hope, will set my team up for the best cash generation and points on field that I can manage given the limited data available and going forward the plan would be to not use any more trades (barring LTI's) until upgrade season. I think it's vital to nail the team prior to prices which would put a lot of players out of contention that I'm wanting.

Interesting thought approach.

Do you wait and get another game out of Berry & Rioli or pull the pin now ?

Lipinski (after 1 game could possibly be a season long keeper) , McDonald with the attraction of DPP is certainly on the watch list , only 1 previous season of 90+ though) , time will tell about Newcombe.

I guess if they are not keepers then that is another 3 trades needed to upgrade them.

Depends how many bench trades (8-16) you need to generate enough $ for all your upgrades , even after one round looks like a few of the rookies might vanish , how those on the horizon score we have no idea.

Not sure how Collingwood will structure up when Bruz returns and how that will affect Crisp.

I guess at the end of the day you have to back your own instincts